Hopkins could've won, probably should've won, but he didn't!!

[OumaFan]

Not taking anything away from Joe, who won the fight imo, but I think it was more of a case of Hop losing the fight rather than Joe winning it.
Hopkins was great for 3 rounds, but thereafter you just cannot make a case for him winning with that work rate and punches thrown/landed. I know its 'cuda wud shuda' but Hopkins is so frusrating because the fight was there to win, just like both Taylor fights, but he does not have the work rate plain and simple. It was very close, but being completely objective Joe won the fight, but it wasn't impressive and could've been a different story. Massive props to Joe for getting off his arse with a nasty cut, away from home and digging deeep to nick the win

My card

Round 1 Hopkins 10-8
Round 2 Hopkins 10-9
Round 3 Hopkins 10-9 Could have gone either way imo
Round 4 Calzaghe 10-9 Could have gone either way imo
Round 5 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 6 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 7 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 8 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 9 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 10 Hopkins 10-9 Could have gone either way imo
Round 11 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 12 Calzaghe 10-9

Spot on mate.

Thats exactly how i had it EXCEPT for one of the calzaghe rounds i gave as a draw...giving calz a 115, 113 win.

Hopkins put calz down in the first, was a bit of a flash knock down and calz got up totally unaffected instantly, but a kd is a kd none the less and it showed hopkins outclassing him.

However, from the 3rd round on calzaghe started to adapt and figure out hopkins.

WHY DO PEOPLE LOVE TO ARGUE WITH THE FACTS? They are so so so stupid if they say calz slapped hopkins, there was an occassion in round 10 where bhop looked like he was going down, he was rocked badly from a calzaghe hook and had to clinch to survive.

All in all i was impressed with bops effort in the fight, but calzaghe was simply too good, adapted his game and took the fight to hopkins, the aggressor started BOSSING the fight against hopkins negative philly style and picking great punches off on him .

People cant argue with the facts from compubox!!!

Total thrown (Hopkins/Calzaghe): 468/707

Total landed: 127/232

Percentage landed: 27/33

Jabs thrown: 93/224

Jabs landed: 11/45

Percentage landed: 12/20

Power punches thrown: 375/483

Power punches landed: 116/187

Percentage landed: 31/39

THE FACTS CLEARLY SHOW CALZAGHE LANDED MORE PUNCHES AND HAD A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF HIS PUNCHES LAND ASWELL. He hurt bhop bad in the 10th.

If it wasnt for the knockdown in the first then it woulda been a pretty 1 dimensional fight. But in the end it was calzaghe's ability to adapt and then relax into his unique boxing style and then boss hopkins around the ring, hopkins was spent by the 8th round and tried every dirty tactic (totally unsportsmanlike to take 4 minutes off for a blow that wasnt even low!)...for anyone that says hopkins won...DELUSIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Compubox is almost always wrong. I pretty much never agree with their "facts."

Joe Calzaghe did not even come close to landing 232 punches. That's just silly.

He did enough for a close win but no need to bring up compubox.

[richard (mossley)]

I think that is a fair scorecard. All those folk who disagree please show us yours.

I would like to add certain people are writing 'a prime Hopkins would have beaten Calzaghe' are missing one point. The Calzaghe that won, was not a Calzaghe in his prime.
A Calzaghe in his prime would have still have beaten an Hopkins in his prime.

[Taeth]

I think that is a fair scorecard. All those folk who disagree please show us yours.

I would like to add certain people are writing 'a prime Hopkins would have beaten Calzaghe' are missing one point. The Calzaghe that won, was not a Calzaghe in his prime.
A Calzaghe in his prime would have still have beaten an Hopkins in his prime.

As a fighter Calzaghe has been as good in the last few years as he has been at any point in his whole career... Mean while Hopkins hasn't been the same fighter he was when he faced Trinidad in 2001... thats almost 7 years, and at that time when he was around 35ish I believe Hopkins was in his boxing prime. Because these two aren't the best athletes the sport has ever seen, so as they get more comfortable, stronger, and maintained their endurance these two have climaxed around 35 instead of 27-30 like most fighters.

[Trainer Monkey]

I cant tell you who won the fight,I really have to go rewatch it
I know Joe was getting credit for head shots that werent landing,and Bernard wasnt getting credit for body shots that were
But I honestly watching it,didnt know who won,I do know that Las Vegas isnt Bernards home territory either,he should have put Joe out when he had him hurt rather then risk it going to the cards.

[ICB]

Not taking anything away from Joe, who won the fight imo, but I think it was more of a case of Hop losing the fight rather than Joe winning it.
Hopkins was great for 3 rounds, but thereafter you just cannot make a case for him winning with that work rate and punches thrown/landed. I know its 'cuda wud shuda' but Hopkins is so frusrating because the fight was there to win, just like both Taylor fights, but he does not have the work rate plain and simple. It was very close, but being completely objective Joe won the fight, but it wasn't impressive and could've been a different story. Massive props to Joe for getting off his arse with a nasty cut, away from home and digging deeep to nick the win

My card

Round 1 Hopkins 10-8
Round 2 Hopkins 10-9
Round 3 Hopkins 10-9 Could have gone either way imo
Round 4 Calzaghe 10-9 Could have gone either way imo
Round 5 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 6 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 7 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 8 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 9 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 10 Hopkins 10-9 Could have gone either way imo
Round 11 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 12 Calzaghe 10-9

Spot on mate.

Thats exactly how i had it EXCEPT for one of the calzaghe rounds i gave as a draw...giving calz a 115, 113 win.

Hopkins put calz down in the first, was a bit of a flash knock down and calz got up totally unaffected instantly, but a kd is a kd none the less and it showed hopkins outclassing him.

However, from the 3rd round on calzaghe started to adapt and figure out hopkins.

WHY DO PEOPLE LOVE TO ARGUE WITH THE FACTS? They are so so so stupid if they say calz slapped hopkins, there was an occassion in round 10 where bhop looked like he was going down, he was rocked badly from a calzaghe hook and had to clinch to survive.

All in all i was impressed with bops effort in the fight, but calzaghe was simply too good, adapted his game and took the fight to hopkins, the aggressor started BOSSING the fight against hopkins negative philly style and picking great punches off on him .

People cant argue with the facts from compubox!!!

Total thrown (Hopkins/Calzaghe): 468/707

Total landed: 127/232

Percentage landed: 27/33

Jabs thrown: 93/224

Jabs landed: 11/45

Percentage landed: 12/20

Power punches thrown: 375/483

Power punches landed: 116/187

Percentage landed: 31/39

THE FACTS CLEARLY SHOW CALZAGHE LANDED MORE PUNCHES AND HAD A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF HIS PUNCHES LAND ASWELL. He hurt bhop bad in the 10th.

If it wasnt for the knockdown in the first then it woulda been a pretty 1 dimensional fight. But in the end it was calzaghe's ability to adapt and then relax into his unique boxing style and then boss hopkins around the ring, hopkins was spent by the 8th round and tried every dirty tactic (totally unsportsmanlike to take 4 minutes off for a blow that wasnt even low!)...for anyone that says hopkins won...DELUSIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Compubox aren't facts what the hell are you talking about ??

[NUCLEAR BULL]

i for one cannot see where these 250 punches calzaghe landed. i think the guy counting them must have double clicked the tally counter everytime joe looked like he landed. i saw joe miss, land on the gloves and arms, i even saw him throw punches form distance which where never goner land ( prob to just get his punch output numbers up ) and please don't no one say he was trying to find his range with those.

as soon as the bell rings i can while still standing in my corner throw 7 punches before my opponent is even in touching distance, now that doesn't mean 84 punches get added to my punch total.

looking back at the fight i feel joe threw 600 at best, landing 175, forget this buisness he threw over 700 and landed close to 250, he touched bernard 175 times and hit him maybe 90 times...............you dont get hit 250 times in a 36 mintue time frame by an trained boxer and not have any marks on your face, trust me i've boxed. b-hop didnt hardly have a mark on his face where as calzaghe was cut and bumped on the cheeks

[El Kabong]

Well the judges saw it his way and you can't say it was a hometown decision either.


This wasn't like the Collazo-Hatton fight where Ricky lost steam over the course of the fight....Joe started slower and ended better and that leaves a better impression on the judges. Hopkins just gave some of those rounds away, he ALWAYS does, he's 43 years old, he can't fight every second of every round anymore.


Joe Calzaghe CLEARLY won that fight: Gimza scored it for Calzaghe, Giampa scored it for Calzaghe, Byrd had it BARELY for Hopkins and Ledderman had it for Calzaghe and Compubox supported the people who had it for Calzaghe and the majority of people here saw it for Joe even some of the Americans....there MUST be some sort of conspiracy

Guys get a grip, Hopkins lost...he didn't get KO'd or anything but he lost the fight as far as him not looking like he's been in a fight he never looks like anything else, with his messed up teeth and broken nose he ALWAYS looks like he's just been in a fight

[Kirkland Laing]

And the one judge who scored the fight in favour of the ex-Ring Light Heavyweight champion was from Philadelphia too.

I hope when Joe fights Roy Jones there are three Welsh judges with one from Newbridge. And Micky Vann refereeing.

[El Kabong]

And the one judge who scored the fight in favour of the ex-Ring Light Heavyweight champion was from Philadelphia too.

I hope when Joe fights Roy Jones there are three Welsh judges with one from Newbridge. And Micky Vann refereeing.

Hey let's not blame Roy for Golden Boy and the Nevada Athletic Commission's obvious faux pax in picking Byrd to judge the fight.

Roy is going to England to fight Joe so I doubt any fight gets done without there being judges not from England there.

It's a shame that Roy never went over seas to fight anyone during his prime...you don't HAVE to fight local fighters overseas, you could just bring a fight over there just for the hell of it, a la The Rumble in The Jungle or the Thrilla in Manilla.

[Unknowndonor]

Hopkins could have won, but it would have had to be a few years back. Joe won, and deserves some credit. Hopkins can't fight a 12 round fight on the level he needs, to be able to get a win. Joe adjusted, and sustained, Hopkins didn't.

[ICB]

Not taking anything away from Joe, who won the fight imo, but I think it was more of a case of Hop losing the fight rather than Joe winning it.
Hopkins was great for 3 rounds, but thereafter you just cannot make a case for him winning with that work rate and punches thrown/landed. I know its 'cuda wud shuda' but Hopkins is so frusrating because the fight was there to win, just like both Taylor fights, but he does not have the work rate plain and simple. It was very close, but being completely objective Joe won the fight, but it wasn't impressive and could've been a different story. Massive props to Joe for getting off his arse with a nasty cut, away from home and digging deeep to nick the win

My card

Round 1 Hopkins 10-8
Round 2 Hopkins 10-9
Round 3 Hopkins 10-9 Could have gone either way imo
Round 4 Calzaghe 10-9 Could have gone either way imo
Round 5 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 6 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 7 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 8 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 9 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 10 Hopkins 10-9 Could have gone either way imo
Round 11 Calzaghe 10-9
Round 12 Calzaghe 10-9

1 Hopkins 10-8
2 Hopkins 10-9
3 Hopkins 10-9
4 Hopkins 10-9
5 Calzaghe 10-9
6 Calzaghe 10-9
7 Calzaghe 10-9
8 Hopkins 10-9
9 Calzaghe 10-9
10 Hopkins 10-9
11 Calzaghe 10-9
12 Calzaghe 10-9

114-113 Bernard Hopkins

[Violent Demise]

1 Hopkins 10-8
2 Hopkins 10-9
3 Hopkins 10-9
4 Hopkins 10-9
5 Calzaghe 10-9
6 Calzaghe 10-9
7 Hopkins 10-9
8 Hopkins 10-9
9 Calzaghe 10-9
10 Hopkins 10-9
11 Calzaghe 10-9
12 Calzaghe 10-9

115-112 Bernard Hopkins

100% unbiased.

[Fenster]

1 Hopkins 10-8
2 Hopkins 10-9
3 Hopkins 10-9
4 Hopkins 10-9
5 Calzaghe 10-9
6 Calzaghe 10-9
7 Hopkins 10-9
8 Hopkins 10-9
9 Calzaghe 10-9
10 Hopkins 10-9
11 Calzaghe 10-9
12 Calzaghe 10-9

115-112 Bernard Hopkins

100% unbiased.

Round 10 - Hopkins should have been chucked out the fight for cowardness. Fact.

[Kirkland Laing]

1 Hopkins 10-8
2 Hopkins 10-9
3 Hopkins 10-9
4 Hopkins 10-9
5 Calzaghe 10-9
6 Calzaghe 10-9
7 Hopkins 10-9
8 Hopkins 10-9
9 Calzaghe 10-9
10 Hopkins 10-9
11 Calzaghe 10-9
12 Calzaghe 10-9

115-112 Bernard Hopkins

100% unbiased.

Round 10 - Hopkins should have been chucked out the fight for cowardness. Fact.

Yes, the ex-Ring Light-Heavyweight champion could easily have been disqualified.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

it just upsets me that joe now wants roy jones and not pavlik, before this fight he cliamed he'd fight pavlik but now wants nothing of it.

i'm from london, i've spent the last 4 weeks in the gym with a british champion, in america the top tier guys are simple better. joes gone over there, fought a once great american fighter now 43, and saw that he's better then joe's ever been and now doesn't wish to mix with a prime boxer, he knows now that at the top level guys can work you out and expose you, pavlik would have more juice in his legs and more cement in his hands, joe would get ko'd so i dont blame him for not wanting to fight a guy like that but instead going after a 40 year old roy jones who even in his prime wasn't throwing to many punches, joe can ko roy or simple outwork him

please lets not kid ourself, joe has been a great champion at a decent level and we all love the things he's done for british boxing, his fights in wales infront of 50,000 fans has greatly enhanced the reputation of british boxing atmosfere ( de la hoya, mayweather, roy jones have all stated they'd love to fight here, mike tyson has fought here and tyzu ) but he's never gone over there before, and never fought a top fighter for a reason, he was scared he be out of his comfortzone