An Open Letter to Richard Schaefer: From: Nate Campbell

[No Contest]

This is what I've been saying about GBP, and why I now dislike ODLH. Everyone knows Nate Campbell should be getting his choice of opponents holding 3 titles, but he is left scrounging for a fight. That shit aint right.....

[killersheep]

I am officially a Nate Campbell fan now!!

[XaduBoxer]

Wow. He really did take it to him, you pretty much have to agree with everything he says. I thought Golden Boy would be good for boxing when it first came about, since then I've got to say I think completely the opposite.

GBP good for boxing?

1. GBP has not develop their own talent. Their prospects were falling down one by one. They rely on their old guards (Oscar, Hopkins, Mosley, Barrera) for some top promotions.

2. GBP is pirating top boxers from other stables. For example when they offered PAC a suitcase full of money just to sign up for them (good PAC realized it's not the best thing for him after signing the contract).

3. GBP is a proven top promoter? Say the Oscar-PBF fight. Yes it broke the all time record for PPV buys but what did the fans got? The fans felt robbed of their hard earned $60 after watching a boring main event in a lackluster fight card (remember "Stinko de Mayo"). Now GBP is planning a rematch, Oscar-PBF 2. I'll pity the next million casual boxing fans that they want to rob again. Oscar already got his crack on PBF and he came up short. Why don't he give this chance to another boxer like Cotto? (PBF-Cotto match up is what fans are craving for). Ohh I understand Cotto is not a GBP boxer. Then why not give this chance to Mosley? Specially if Mosley beats Judah. Mosley is already old and has given a lot to boxing. Mosley should be rewarded with a crack on PBF since fans think that he's one of the boxers who can give Floyd a tough fight. Maybe Oscar can get another crack on PBF after 1 or 2 boxers will have their first crack on Floyd.

4. GBP trying to monopolize boxing. Just like the scenario Nate mentioned in his letter. GBP planning to control fights at lightweight division.


I feel GBP is not really doing it all for the good for boxing. GBP is more concern with the money from boxing.

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[Fenster]

Campbell is promoted by Don King, right?

[killersheep]

Campbell is promoted by Don King, right?

Doesn't make his points any less valid, gotta love the "fight me now leave the marketing behind" thing.

[Galaxy]

I'm a big Campbell fan have been for ages but in attacking the Ring belt he's wrong. He can say whatever he wants about GBP but the facts are the Ring champion still has to win the fights. I don't really mind what fighter the champion is fighting but the winner will be recognized champion & thats a fact.

IMO the best fighters usually what to test themselves against the best.

I agree that November is to long & a Marquez fight should be made sooner. The fight I'd really prefer to see is Casamayor/ Campbell so maybe once Joel is done with Diaz it can be made.

If Nate is so worried about Santa Cruz why doesn't he offer him a fight? It might not make much money but would put him in good stead for a Casamayor remtch

[XaduBoxer]

If GBP is serious in offering a fight for Nate, they should offer either JMM, Casamayor or Juan Diaz (or Barrera?) for a July fight... Santa Cruz is not included coz he at least should have a rematch with Casamayor first... Katsidis? Naah, Kats will be considered to fight Nate only if he will be allowed to wear his helmet while boxing with Nate...

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[Galaxy]

If GBP is serious in offering a fight for Nate, they should offer either JMM, Casamayor or Juan Diaz (or Barrera?) for a July fight... Santa Cruz is not included coz he at least should have a rematch with Casamayor first... Katsidis? Naah, Kats will be considered to fight Nate only if he will be allowed to wear his helmet while boxing with Nate...

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Well aren't Casamayor & Diaz fighting each other? So those two are out. Katsidis needs to rebuild. Marquez is the only real option IMO & I agree it should happen soon. Santa Cruz ain't getting a shot at Casamayor because it won't make the sort of money Joel is looking for.

If Nate thinks he knows about the game he should throw those bogus belts in the trash for a start. If he knows anything he should know the only championship that matters is the one around Casamayor's waist! Without it Campbell will always just be another alphabet holder.

If November is to far to weight for Marquez the Campbell should offer Santa Cruz a fight in the interim. He still have 3 to 4 months to prepare for Marquez after that fight. Or is that not the sort of fight his promoter can organize?

[p4pking]

If GBP is serious in offering a fight for Nate, they should offer either JMM, Casamayor or Juan Diaz (or Barrera?) for a July fight... Santa Cruz is not included coz he at least should have a rematch with Casamayor first... Katsidis? Naah, Kats will be considered to fight Nate only if he will be allowed to wear his helmet while boxing with Nate...

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Well aren't Casamayor & Diaz fighting each other? So those two are out. Katsidis needs to rebuild. Marquez is the only real option IMO & I agree it should happen soon. Santa Cruz ain't getting a shot at Casamayor because it won't make the sort of money Joel is looking for.

If Nate thinks he knows about the game he should throw those bogus belts in the trash for a start. If he knows anything he should know the only championship that matters is the one around Casamayor's waist! Without it Campbell will always just be another alphabet holder.

If November is to far to weight for Marquez the Campbell should offer Santa Cruz a fight in the interim. He still have 3 to 4 months to prepare for Marquez after that fight. Or is that not the sort of fight his promoter can organize?

That's not really true though. I haven't heard anyone say that Casamayor is the best lightweight in the world for years. I also wouldn't personally consider him the man to beat at all. For starters, it's highly unlikely imo that he'll beat Juan Diaz when they meet. Now your telling me Campbell will be seen as just an alphabet holder wheras Diaz will be heralded as the true champion in this case, even though Campbell clearly beat him this year and Casamayor is ancient? I understand what you are saying as far as from a promotional standpoint it will be hard for Nate to get the big fights, but I'd say he's definetly considered the top lightweight in the world by most fans.

[BoomBoom]

I like this guy, he makes some good points. He must love being the man in the division with all the GB fighters ranked below him.

[XaduBoxer]

If GBP is serious in offering a fight for Nate, they should offer either JMM, Casamayor or Juan Diaz (or Barrera?) for a July fight... Santa Cruz is not included coz he at least should have a rematch with Casamayor first... Katsidis? Naah, Kats will be considered to fight Nate only if he will be allowed to wear his helmet while boxing with Nate...

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Well aren't Casamayor & Diaz fighting each other? So those two are out. Katsidis needs to rebuild. Marquez is the only real option IMO & I agree it should happen soon. Santa Cruz ain't getting a shot at Casamayor because it won't make the sort of money Joel is looking for.

If Nate thinks he knows about the game he should throw those bogus belts in the trash for a start. If he knows anything he should know the only championship that matters is the one around Casamayor's waist! Without it Campbell will always just be another alphabet holder.

If November is to far to weight for Marquez the Campbell should offer Santa Cruz a fight in the interim. He still have 3 to 4 months to prepare for Marquez after that fight. Or is that not the sort of fight his promoter can organize?

Casamayor-Juan Diaz is again a manifestation of GBP trying to monopolize boxing. GBP announcing a Casa-Juan Diaz fight for September 13 this early is to sideline other logical fights for Casa.

The most logical fight for Casa is a rematch with Nate Campbell (i guess you're one of those who's asking for this) or a rematch with Santa Cruz (Casa owed one to Santa Cruz).

Why Juan Diaz got the Casa fight? Is it because he was schooled by Nate Campbell or is it because he's a GBP boxer?

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[Galaxy]

If GBP is serious in offering a fight for Nate, they should offer either JMM, Casamayor or Juan Diaz (or Barrera?) for a July fight... Santa Cruz is not included coz he at least should have a rematch with Casamayor first... Katsidis? Naah, Kats will be considered to fight Nate only if he will be allowed to wear his helmet while boxing with Nate...

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Well aren't Casamayor & Diaz fighting each other? So those two are out. Katsidis needs to rebuild. Marquez is the only real option IMO & I agree it should happen soon. Santa Cruz ain't getting a shot at Casamayor because it won't make the sort of money Joel is looking for.

If Nate thinks he knows about the game he should throw those bogus belts in the trash for a start. If he knows anything he should know the only championship that matters is the one around Casamayor's waist! Without it Campbell will always just be another alphabet holder.

If November is to far to weight for Marquez the Campbell should offer Santa Cruz a fight in the interim. He still have 3 to 4 months to prepare for Marquez after that fight. Or is that not the sort of fight his promoter can organize?

That's not really true though. I haven't heard anyone say that Casamayor is the best lightweight in the world for years. I also wouldn't personally consider him the man to beat at all. For starters, it's highly unlikely imo that he'll beat Juan Diaz when they meet. Now your telling me Campbell will be seen as just an alphabet holder wheras Diaz will be heralded as the true champion in this case, even though Campbell clearly beat him this year and Casamayor is ancient? I understand what you are saying as far as from a promotional standpoint it will be hard for Nate to get the big fights, but I'd say he's definetly considered the top lightweight in the world by most fans.

Its very true! I never said Casamayor is the best fighter in the division & I don't think he is. But he is the champion! If you don't think the champion should be beaten in the ring then your part of the problem! If Diaz defeats the champion why shouldn't he become champion?

The best fighter in a division is not always the champion if that were the case the championship would never change hands!

I too consider Campbell the best fighter in the division but until he defeats Casamayor (or Diaz should he win) he will only be the holder worthless trinkets that will sooner or later be stripped from him.

[XaduBoxer]

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This is what Richard Schaefer said that got the ire of Nate:

GL: Golden Boy controls much of the lightweight division, You guys have Joel Casamayor, Michael Katsidis, Juan Diaz, Juan Manuel Marquez and Marco Antonio Barrera, what's next for those guys starting with Casamayor?

Richard Shaefer: "We made an offer to Casamayor and his team to fight on September 13 live on HBO against Juan Diaz in Houston, Texas and we are basically waiting and seeing if Joel is going to accept that offer. I have reached out to Don King as well, and I talked to Don last week and told him that Juan Manuel Marquez has indicated to me that would fight Nate Campbell. We have told King that we are willing to split everything 50-50 on a co-promotion. So let's see if Campbell is only good at giving interviews, or if he really is going to fight somebody of the caliber of a Juan Manuel Marquez. The ball is in their court and I'm hoping to hear back from King. I've had discussions with HBO already and once we can do the fight, we can hopefully firm everything up for a PPV this fall. If Nate Campbell feels like he doesn't want to wait around until then, that's okay, he can go and fight somebody of lesser quality. The fact is Juan Manuel Marquez is ready, willing and able to fight anybody."


GBP throwing in JMM and MAB into the lightweight picture... Isn't it these 2 are too old and too small for 135?

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[:::PSL:::]

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GBP throwing in JMM and MAB into the lightweight picture... Isn't it these 2 are too old and too small for 135?

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Size wise?.. They're not.

But I don't think they can carry their power and chin in that division.

[p4pking]

Well aren't Casamayor & Diaz fighting each other? So those two are out. Katsidis needs to rebuild. Marquez is the only real option IMO & I agree it should happen soon. Santa Cruz ain't getting a shot at Casamayor because it won't make the sort of money Joel is looking for.

If Nate thinks he knows about the game he should throw those bogus belts in the trash for a start. If he knows anything he should know the only championship that matters is the one around Casamayor's waist! Without it Campbell will always just be another alphabet holder.

If November is to far to weight for Marquez the Campbell should offer Santa Cruz a fight in the interim. He still have 3 to 4 months to prepare for Marquez after that fight. Or is that not the sort of fight his promoter can organize?

That's not really true though. I haven't heard anyone say that Casamayor is the best lightweight in the world for years. I also wouldn't personally consider him the man to beat at all. For starters, it's highly unlikely imo that he'll beat Juan Diaz when they meet. Now your telling me Campbell will be seen as just an alphabet holder wheras Diaz will be heralded as the true champion in this case, even though Campbell clearly beat him this year and Casamayor is ancient? I understand what you are saying as far as from a promotional standpoint it will be hard for Nate to get the big fights, but I'd say he's definetly considered the top lightweight in the world by most fans.

Its very true! I never said Casamayor is the best fighter in the division & I don't think he is. But he is the champion! If you don't think the champion should be beaten in the ring then your part of the problem! If Diaz defeats the champion why shouldn't he become champion?

The best fighter in a division is not always the champion if that were the case the championship would never change hands!

I too consider Campbell the best fighter in the division but until he defeats Casamayor (or Diaz should he win) he will only be the holder worthless trinkets that will sooner or later be stripped from him.

I just think Ring titles, or even the lineal title, is just like any other championship. It's only worth as much as the champion holding it. I mean I've heard that Zolt Erdie is the lineal light HW champion... Apparently Darius was the lineal champ at LHW during Roy Jones reign... But did it matter to the general audience, or to Roy Jones as far as being considered the man and landing the best fights? Not whatsoever. In this case it's not to the same extreme, but even still as was said few would consider Joel the best lightweight in the world. And sure you can make the point that Campbell is at risk of being stripped at any point, but Casamyor is in just as much danger of being overmatched and jerked around. The entire point I was trying to make previously is that with Golden Boy owning the ring, it may become just as political as sanctioning bodies. It's obvious Golden Boy WANTS Cas to lose the title, he's no safer than Campbell. And again, I just don't see what makes Campbell's belts "worthless", wheras Casa's is so meaningful. I understand the historical signifigance, but like I said, Casamayor never really did anything recently to solidify his being the man at lightweight. I just don't consider his recent wins anywhere near as meaningful as Campbell's, and that's what I'll go by. I don't think I'm alone either.