Joel gets stopped - major surprise

[kojikabuto]

Firstly, I thought the stoppage may have been a touch premature does anyone else agree. I know he had taken a lot of shots but I thought he should have been given a count and maybe the chance to get back to his corner (it was close to the end of the round).

In saying that, Casamayor was seriously hurt. We are talking about a guy who's taken the best shots of Freitas, Corrales and Castillo and he gets stopped by Marquez moving up. That came as a major surprise to me.

What a performance.

Pacquaio can't call himself p4p number one until he fights this guy again. You would have to think Marquez victory over Cassa is far more impressive than Pac's against Diaz. Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa IMO...

i wouldnt call it a major surprize..fact is i predicted a llate tko win for jmm on another thread.Its the other way around...I was surprized at casa's competitiveness.(This guy is over the hill...got his ass koed by sta cruz and was lucky to beat katsidis).He was doing well with his counterpunching and even before the stoppage...either one was really dominating the other ( 2 judges scored it even).It was a good win though by jmm but it wasnt a dominating performance...so i wouldnt call it a far more impressive win than pacs total one sided demolition of david.

[Majesty]

when were people gonna realise that Casamayor was slipping?

Hoe old is he like 37 now?


JMM is a great fighter. But Casamayor has been out of his prime for years.

And if anything it increases pacquiaos win and chin

[XaduBoxer]

How is Pacquaio number 1? he moved up and fought David Diaz! Marques moved up and fought Joel Casamayor and stopped him.

PAC stopped former champ Diaz inside 9 rounds in total domination... JMM stopped Casa in the 11th with 2 judges having the fight even after 10 rounds...

The no. 1 lightweight spot could be a toss up between Pacquiao and Campbell right now... I considered PAC as the no. 1 lightweight due to his status in other rankings;

- current no. 1 P4P
- considered the no. 1 super featherweight before he jumped to lightweight

Think you should rate Pac at lightweight based on what he has done at lightweight. He's KO'd Diaz. Marquez has KO'd Casa. I'd have my lightweight ratings as...

1)Campbell
2)Marquez
3)Pac

In saying that I'd back Marquez and Pac to beat Campbell but as the unified champ, I think at this stage Campbell deserves to be no. 1.

That's not the way I ranked them (highlighted statement above). Boxers highly rated in their previous division like champs will be highly rated in their new division. That explained the high ranking of WBA 130 champ Edwin Valero in my lightweight ranking even he has not yet fought a single match at lightweight.

I can't ranked Marquez higher than PAC at lightweight since their accomplishments (at lightweight) is more or less equal and since JMM was ranked below PAC at 130, it also follows at 135 so far...
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[Kel]

when were people gonna realise that Casamayor was slipping?

Hoe old is he like 37 now?


JMM is a great fighter. But Casamayor has been out of his prime for years.

And if anything it increases pacquiaos win and chin

If Lacy or Kessler beat Calzaghe would you say Calzaghe was old? Also, are you the type of person than says Tszyu was old when he lost to Hatton?

I'm not having a go mate but do you see what I'm getting at?

[hairymadness6]

I agree with Saddo's ranking list except that Katsidis is grossly overrated. Prescott as well doesn't deserve ranking yet. In their places you could put Peterson and possibly Jueregui at 9 and 10. You have to have Campbell at the top even though I dispute the way he beat Diaz. Pac is clearly number 2 at this point.

[ICB]

when were people gonna realise that Casamayor was slipping?

Hoe old is he like 37 now?


JMM is a great fighter. But Casamayor has been out of his prime for years.

And if anything it increases pacquiaos win and chin

How old is Juan Manuel Marquez ?

[killersheep]

"Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa" - this is highly debatable since David Diaz stopped Armando Santa Cruz who in turn was robbed against Casa...

Marquez win only solidified PAC's status as the no. 1 lightweight in the world and at the same time the no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world...

IMO, lightweight rankings should look like this right now:
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Juan Diaz
5. Edwin Valero
6. Breidis Prescott
7. Michael Katsidis
8. Julio Diaz
9. David Diaz
10. Jesus Chavez

How is Pacquaio number 1? he moved up and fought David Diaz! Marques moved up and fought Joel Casamayor and stopped him.

PAC stopped former champ Diaz inside 9 rounds in total domination... JMM stopped Casa in the 11th with 2 judges having the fight even after 10 rounds...

The no. 1 lightweight spot could be a toss up between Pacquiao and Campbell right now... I considered PAC as the no. 1 lightweight due to his status in other rankings;

- current no. 1 P4P
- considered the no. 1 super featherweight before he jumped to lightweight

Wrong, Casa had the ring title, JMM beat him that makes JMM the champ at light weight. Campbell beat the UNIFIED title holder Juan Diaz to take the spot behind Casa. SO with Campbell AND Marquez in the picture, PAC has NO claim to to number 1 at 135.

I still have PAC at #1 p4p because of the official decisions.

[XaduBoxer]

I agree with Saddo's ranking list except that Katsidis is grossly overrated. Prescott as well doesn't deserve ranking yet. In their places you could put Peterson and possibly Jueregui at 9 and 10. You have to have Campbell at the top even though I dispute the way he beat Diaz. Pac is clearly number 2 at this point.

Actually I forgot to retain Casamayor in my rankings... He was not dominated by Marquez so I'll place him at no. 5 ...

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Juan Diaz
5. Joel Casamayor
6. Edwin Valero
7. Breidis Prescott
8. Michael Katsidis
9. Julio Diaz
10. David Diaz

[Puerto Rican Punch]

I thought that JMM was going to win this one, but I have to admit that I did not expect the TKO. It was a very good fight, I had it even up to round 10. I believe that Joel tried to stand up to quick and the other mistake was to start exchanging blows when he was still hurt instead of holding to gain time and recover, although he showed a big heart. It will not bother me to see a rematch between these 2 guys. Big applause for both of them.

[ICB]

I agree with Saddo's ranking list except that Katsidis is grossly overrated. Prescott as well doesn't deserve ranking yet. In their places you could put Peterson and possibly Jueregui at 9 and 10. You have to have Campbell at the top even though I dispute the way he beat Diaz. Pac is clearly number 2 at this point.

Actually I forgot to retain Casamayor in my rankings... He was not dominated by Marquez so I'll place him at no. 5 ...

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Juan Diaz
5. Joel Casamayor
6. Edwin Valero
7. Breidis Prescott
8. Michael Katsidis
9. Julio Diaz
10. David Diaz

1. Nate Campbell
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Manny Pacquiao
4. Juan Diaz
5. Joel Casamayor
6. Julio Diaz
7. David Diaz
8. Breidis Prescott
9. Yuri Romanov
10. Michael Katsidis

Why is Edwin Valero on the list ? he hasn't fought at Lightweight.

[KKisser]

Firstly, I thought the stoppage may have been a touch premature does anyone else agree. I know he had taken a lot of shots but I thought he should have been given a count and maybe the chance to get back to his corner (it was close to the end of the round).

In saying that, Casamayor was seriously hurt. We are talking about a guy who's taken the best shots of Freitas, Corrales and Castillo and he gets stopped by Marquez moving up. That came as a major surprise to me.

What a performance.

Pacquaio can't call himself p4p number one until he fights this guy again. You would have to think Marquez victory over Cassa is far more impressive than Pac's against Diaz. Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa IMO...

i wouldnt call it a major surprize..fact is i predicted a llate tko win for jmm on another thread.Its the other way around...I was surprized at casa's competitiveness.(This guy is over the hill...got his ass koed by sta cruz and was lucky to beat katsidis).He was doing well with his counterpunching and even before the stoppage...either one was really dominating the other ( 2 judges scored it even).It was a good win though by jmm but it wasnt a dominating performance...so i wouldnt call it a far more impressive win than pacs total one sided demolition of david.

pretty much anticipated a stoppage by jmm. casa lasted 1 round longer than i predicted. he's definitely more prepared and had shed the ring rust for this fight. jmm really had problems with him all through out the fight.

[XaduBoxer]

How is Pacquaio number 1? he moved up and fought David Diaz! Marques moved up and fought Joel Casamayor and stopped him.

PAC stopped former champ Diaz inside 9 rounds in total domination... JMM stopped Casa in the 11th with 2 judges having the fight even after 10 rounds...

The no. 1 lightweight spot could be a toss up between Pacquiao and Campbell right now... I considered PAC as the no. 1 lightweight due to his status in other rankings;

- current no. 1 P4P
- considered the no. 1 super featherweight before he jumped to lightweight

Wrong, Casa had the ring title, JMM beat him that makes JMM the champ at light weight. Campbell beat the UNIFIED title holder Juan Diaz to take the spot behind Casa. SO with Campbell AND Marquez in the picture, PAC has NO claim to to number 1 at 135.

I still have PAC at #1 p4p because of the official decisions.

Of course we'll based it on official results... There's no way we can settle this if we have our own "unofficial results" ...

So the current beltholders at lightweight and other titles (if any):

Pacquiao - WBC 135 belt, No. 1 P4P
Campbell - WBA, IBF, WBO 135 belts
Marquez - Ring 135 belt

With PAC's official win over Marquez, there's no way Marquez be ranked higher than PAC... It's a toss up between PAC and Campbell...

[killersheep]

PAC stopped former champ Diaz inside 9 rounds in total domination... JMM stopped Casa in the 11th with 2 judges having the fight even after 10 rounds...

The no. 1 lightweight spot could be a toss up between Pacquiao and Campbell right now... I considered PAC as the no. 1 lightweight due to his status in other rankings;

- current no. 1 P4P
- considered the no. 1 super featherweight before he jumped to lightweight

Wrong, Casa had the ring title, JMM beat him that makes JMM the champ at light weight. Campbell beat the UNIFIED title holder Juan Diaz to take the spot behind Casa. SO with Campbell AND Marquez in the picture, PAC has NO claim to to number 1 at 135.

I still have PAC at #1 p4p because of the official decisions.

Of course we'll based it on official results... There's no way we can settle this if we have our own "unofficial results" ...

So the current beltholders at lightweight and other titles (if any):

Pacquiao - WBC 135 belt, No. 1 P4P
Campbell - WBA, IBF, WBO 135 belts
Marquez - Ring 135 belt

With PAC's official win over Marquez, there's no way Marquez be ranked higher than PAC... It's a toss up between PAC and Campbell...

p4p has nothing to do with this. Many things in boxing are controversial, this is not one of them. Marquez beat the lightweight champ end of.

[ICB]

PAC stopped former champ Diaz inside 9 rounds in total domination... JMM stopped Casa in the 11th with 2 judges having the fight even after 10 rounds...

The no. 1 lightweight spot could be a toss up between Pacquiao and Campbell right now... I considered PAC as the no. 1 lightweight due to his status in other rankings;

- current no. 1 P4P
- considered the no. 1 super featherweight before he jumped to lightweight

Wrong, Casa had the ring title, JMM beat him that makes JMM the champ at light weight. Campbell beat the UNIFIED title holder Juan Diaz to take the spot behind Casa. SO with Campbell AND Marquez in the picture, PAC has NO claim to to number 1 at 135.

I still have PAC at #1 p4p because of the official decisions.

Of course we'll based it on official results... There's no way we can settle this if we have our own "unofficial results" ...

So the current beltholders at lightweight and other titles (if any):

Pacquiao - WBC 135 belt, No. 1 P4P
Campbell - WBA, IBF, WBO 135 belts
Marquez - Ring 135 belt

With PAC's official win over Marquez, there's no way Marquez be ranked higher than PAC... It's a toss up between PAC and Campbell...

I think you have the wrong idea just because Manny Pacquiao is P4P number 1 and because he beat Juan Manuel Marquez at *Super Featherweight* i really don't see what that has to do with *Lightweight rankings* the fact is Juan Manuel Marquez's one win at Lightweight was more impressive than Manny Pacquiao's one win at Lightweight based on opposition hence why Juan Manuel Marquez is higher on my list.

[XaduBoxer]

I agree with Saddo's ranking list except that Katsidis is grossly overrated. Prescott as well doesn't deserve ranking yet. In their places you could put Peterson and possibly Jueregui at 9 and 10. You have to have Campbell at the top even though I dispute the way he beat Diaz. Pac is clearly number 2 at this point.

Actually I forgot to retain Casamayor in my rankings... He was not dominated by Marquez so I'll place him at no. 5 ...

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Juan Diaz
5. Joel Casamayor
6. Edwin Valero
7. Breidis Prescott
8. Michael Katsidis
9. Julio Diaz
10. David Diaz

1. Nate Campbell
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Manny Pacquiao
4. Juan Diaz
5. Joel Casamayor
6. Julio Diaz
7. David Diaz
8. Breidis Prescott
9. Yuri Romanov
10. Michael Katsidis

Why is Edwin Valero on the list ? he hasn't fought at Lightweight.

I already explained this in my previous post in this thread... Anyway I already ranked Valero at lightweight since he is highly ranked (a champ) at his previous division. So Valero could be ranked preferably below (or could be higher) the current champs in his new division... This actually makes sense if you consider what PAC and JMM (very highly ranked at 130) did to the champs at 135...
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