Joel gets stopped - major surprise

[XaduBoxer]

Firstly, I thought the stoppage may have been a touch premature does anyone else agree. I know he had taken a lot of shots but I thought he should have been given a count and maybe the chance to get back to his corner (it was close to the end of the round).

In saying that, Casamayor was seriously hurt. We are talking about a guy who's taken the best shots of Freitas, Corrales and Castillo and he gets stopped by Marquez moving up. That came as a major surprise to me.

What a performance.

Pacquaio can't call himself p4p number one until he fights this guy again. You would have to think Marquez victory over Cassa is far more impressive than Pac's against Diaz. Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa IMO...

"Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa" - this is highly debatable since David Diaz stopped Armando Santa Cruz who in turn was robbed against Casa...

Marquez win only solidified PAC's status as the no. 1 lightweight in the world and at the same time the no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world...

IMO, lightweight rankings should look like this right now:
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Juan Diaz
5. Edwin Valero
6. Breidis Prescott
7. Michael Katsidis
8. Julio Diaz
9. David Diaz
10. Jesus Chavez

How is Pacquaio number 1? he moved up and fought David Diaz! Marques moved up and fought Joel Casamayor and stopped him.

PAC stopped former champ Diaz inside 9 rounds in total domination... JMM stopped Casa in the 11th with 2 judges having the fight even after 10 rounds...

The no. 1 lightweight spot could be a toss up between Pacquiao and Campbell right now... I considered PAC as the no. 1 lightweight due to his status in other rankings;

- current no. 1 P4P
- considered the no. 1 super featherweight before he jumped to lightweight

[Greig]

"Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa" - this is highly debatable since David Diaz stopped Armando Santa Cruz who in turn was robbed against Casa...

Marquez win only solidified PAC's status as the no. 1 lightweight in the world and at the same time the no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world...

IMO, lightweight rankings should look like this right now:
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Juan Diaz
5. Edwin Valero
6. Breidis Prescott
7. Michael Katsidis
8. Julio Diaz
9. David Diaz
10. Jesus Chavez

How is Pacquaio number 1? he moved up and fought David Diaz! Marques moved up and fought Joel Casamayor and stopped him.

PAC stopped former champ Diaz inside 9 rounds in total domination... JMM stopped Casa in the 11th with 2 judges having the fight even after 10 rounds...

The no. 1 lightweight spot could be a toss up between Pacquiao and Campbell right now... I considered PAC as the no. 1 lightweight due to his status in other rankings;

- current no. 1 P4P
- considered the no. 1 super featherweight before he jumped to lightweight

Think you should rate Pac at lightweight based on what he has done at lightweight. He's KO'd Diaz. Marquez has KO'd Casa. I'd have my lightweight ratings as...

1)Campbell
2)Marquez
3)Pac

In saying that I'd back Marquez and Pac to beat Campbell but as the unified champ, I think at this stage Campbell deserves to be no. 1.

[SaltyBacon]

well at least he go beat by a true fighter

[XaduBoxer]

How is Pacquaio number 1? he moved up and fought David Diaz! Marques moved up and fought Joel Casamayor and stopped him.

PAC stopped former champ Diaz inside 9 rounds in total domination... JMM stopped Casa in the 11th with 2 judges having the fight even after 10 rounds...

The no. 1 lightweight spot could be a toss up between Pacquiao and Campbell right now... I considered PAC as the no. 1 lightweight due to his status in other rankings;

- current no. 1 P4P
- considered the no. 1 super featherweight before he jumped to lightweight

Think you should rate Pac at lightweight based on what he has done at lightweight. He's KO'd Diaz. Marquez has KO'd Casa. I'd have my lightweight ratings as...

1)Campbell
2)Marquez
3)Pac

In saying that I'd back Marquez and Pac to beat Campbell but as the unified champ, I think at this stage Campbell deserves to be no. 1.

That's not the way I ranked them (highlighted statement above). Boxers highly rated in their previous division like champs will be highly rated in their new division. That explained the high ranking of WBA 130 champ Edwin Valero in my lightweight ranking even he has not yet fought a single match at lightweight.

I can't ranked Marquez higher than PAC at lightweight since their accomplishments (at lightweight) is more or less equal and since JMM was ranked below PAC at 130, it also follows at 135 so far...
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[Wayne]

How is Pacquaio number 1? he moved up and fought David Diaz! Marques moved up and fought Joel Casamayor and stopped him.

PAC stopped former champ Diaz inside 9 rounds in total domination... JMM stopped Casa in the 11th with 2 judges having the fight even after 10 rounds...

The no. 1 lightweight spot could be a toss up between Pacquiao and Campbell right now... I considered PAC as the no. 1 lightweight due to his status in other rankings;

- current no. 1 P4P
- considered the no. 1 super featherweight before he jumped to lightweight

Think you should rate Pac at lightweight based on what he has done at lightweight. He's KO'd Diaz. Marquez has KO'd Casa. I'd have my lightweight ratings as...

1)Campbell
2)Marquez
3)Pac

In saying that I'd back Marquez and Pac to beat Campbell but as the unified champ, I think at this stage Campbell deserves to be no. 1.

This rating is strange for two reasons to me. Marquez never beat Pacquiao yet you rate him higher and Campbell is widely accepted as the number 1 for beating Juan Diaz, but nobody ever gave Diaz any credit when he had the belt. So how does Campbell get something out of nothing?

[killersheep]

"Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa" - this is highly debatable since David Diaz stopped Armando Santa Cruz who in turn was robbed against Casa...

Marquez win only solidified PAC's status as the no. 1 lightweight in the world and at the same time the no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world...

IMO, lightweight rankings should look like this right now:
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Juan Diaz
5. Edwin Valero
6. Breidis Prescott
7. Michael Katsidis
8. Julio Diaz
9. David Diaz
10. Jesus Chavez

How is Pacquaio number 1? he moved up and fought David Diaz! Marques moved up and fought Joel Casamayor and stopped him.

PAC stopped former champ Diaz inside 9 rounds in total domination... JMM stopped Casa in the 11th with 2 judges having the fight even after 10 rounds...

The no. 1 lightweight spot could be a toss up between Pacquiao and Campbell right now... I considered PAC as the no. 1 lightweight due to his status in other rankings;

- current no. 1 P4P
- considered the no. 1 super featherweight before he jumped to lightweight

Wrong, Casa had the ring title, JMM beat him that makes JMM the champ at light weight. Campbell beat the UNIFIED title holder Juan Diaz to take the spot behind Casa. SO with Campbell AND Marquez in the picture, PAC has NO claim to to number 1 at 135.

I still have PAC at #1 p4p because of the official decisions.

[XaduBoxer]

How is Pacquaio number 1? he moved up and fought David Diaz! Marques moved up and fought Joel Casamayor and stopped him.

PAC stopped former champ Diaz inside 9 rounds in total domination... JMM stopped Casa in the 11th with 2 judges having the fight even after 10 rounds...

The no. 1 lightweight spot could be a toss up between Pacquiao and Campbell right now... I considered PAC as the no. 1 lightweight due to his status in other rankings;

- current no. 1 P4P
- considered the no. 1 super featherweight before he jumped to lightweight

Wrong, Casa had the ring title, JMM beat him that makes JMM the champ at light weight. Campbell beat the UNIFIED title holder Juan Diaz to take the spot behind Casa. SO with Campbell AND Marquez in the picture, PAC has NO claim to to number 1 at 135.

I still have PAC at #1 p4p because of the official decisions.

Of course we'll based it on official results... There's no way we can settle this if we have our own "unofficial results" ...

So the current beltholders at lightweight and other titles (if any):

Pacquiao - WBC 135 belt, No. 1 P4P
Campbell - WBA, IBF, WBO 135 belts
Marquez - Ring 135 belt

With PAC's official win over Marquez, there's no way Marquez be ranked higher than PAC... It's a toss up between PAC and Campbell...

[Wayne]

Firstly, I thought the stoppage may have been a touch premature does anyone else agree. I know he had taken a lot of shots but I thought he should have been given a count and maybe the chance to get back to his corner (it was close to the end of the round).

In saying that, Casamayor was seriously hurt. We are talking about a guy who's taken the best shots of Freitas, Corrales and Castillo and he gets stopped by Marquez moving up. That came as a major surprise to me.

What a performance.

Pacquaio can't call himself p4p number one until he fights this guy again. You would have to think Marquez victory over Cassa is far more impressive than Pac's against Diaz. Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa IMO...

"Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa" - this is highly debatable since David Diaz stopped Armando Santa Cruz who in turn was robbed against Casa...

Marquez win only solidified PAC's status as the no. 1 lightweight in the world and at the same time the no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world...

IMO, lightweight rankings should look like this right now:
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Juan Diaz
5. Edwin Valero
6. Breidis Prescott
7. Michael Katsidis
8. Julio Diaz
9. David Diaz
10. Jesus Chavez

How is Pacquaio number 1? he moved up and fought David Diaz! Marques moved up and fought Joel Casamayor and stopped him.

I think it could be considered that Pac was number 1 before moving up. Then add to that that he DOMINATED Diaz. And David certainly wasn't a pushover.

[josef4334]

Firstly, I thought the stoppage may have been a touch premature does anyone else agree. I know he had taken a lot of shots but I thought he should have been given a count and maybe the chance to get back to his corner (it was close to the end of the round).

In saying that, Casamayor was seriously hurt. We are talking about a guy who's taken the best shots of Freitas, Corrales and Castillo and he gets stopped by Marquez moving up. That came as a major surprise to me.

What a performance.

Pacquaio can't call himself p4p number one until he fights this guy again. You would have to think Marquez victory over Cassa is far more impressive than Pac's against Diaz. Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa IMO...

"Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa" - this is highly debatable since David Diaz stopped Armando Santa Cruz who in turn was robbed against Casa...

Marquez win only solidified PAC's status as the no. 1 lightweight in the world and at the same time the no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world...

IMO, lightweight rankings should look like this right now:
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Juan Diaz
5. Edwin Valero
6. Breidis Prescott
7. Michael Katsidis
8. Julio Diaz
9. David Diaz
10. Jesus Chavez

How is Pacquaio number 1? he moved up and fought David Diaz! Marques moved up and fought Joel Casamayor and stopped him.

why not? he fought david diaz and stopped him too. the same david diaz who stopped santa cruz, the same santa cruz who made casa look mediocre and got robbed. so whats your point? it could go both ways but the fact that pac beat jmm puts him at 1.

[killersheep]

"Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa" - this is highly debatable since David Diaz stopped Armando Santa Cruz who in turn was robbed against Casa...

Marquez win only solidified PAC's status as the no. 1 lightweight in the world and at the same time the no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world...

IMO, lightweight rankings should look like this right now:
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Juan Diaz
5. Edwin Valero
6. Breidis Prescott
7. Michael Katsidis
8. Julio Diaz
9. David Diaz
10. Jesus Chavez

How is Pacquaio number 1? he moved up and fought David Diaz! Marques moved up and fought Joel Casamayor and stopped him.

why not? he fought david diaz and stopped him too. the same david diaz who stopped santa cruz, the same santa cruz who made casa look mediocre and got robbed. so whats your point? it could go both ways but the fact that pac beat jmm puts him at 1.

p4p yes, at 135 it's irrelevant

[skel1983]

Firstly, I thought the stoppage may have been a touch premature does anyone else agree. I know he had taken a lot of shots but I thought he should have been given a count and maybe the chance to get back to his corner (it was close to the end of the round).

In saying that, Casamayor was seriously hurt. We are talking about a guy who's taken the best shots of Freitas, Corrales and Castillo and he gets stopped by Marquez moving up. That came as a major surprise to me.

What a performance.

Pacquaio can't call himself p4p number one until he fights this guy again. You would have to think Marquez victory over Cassa is far more impressive than Pac's against Diaz. Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa IMO...

"Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa" - this is highly debatable since David Diaz stopped Armando Santa Cruz who in turn was robbed against Casa...

Marquez win only solidified PAC's status as the no. 1 lightweight in the world and at the same time the no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world...

IMO, lightweight rankings should look like this right now:
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Juan Diaz
5. Edwin Valero
6. Breidis Prescott
7. Michael Katsidis
8. Julio Diaz
9. David Diaz
10. Jesus Chavez

How the hell is Pac man number 1?

[Pugilistic]

I never seen that coming.

I knew the fight would be close like it was but i never expected it to end by a stoppage.

[kojikabuto]

Firstly, I thought the stoppage may have been a touch premature does anyone else agree. I know he had taken a lot of shots but I thought he should have been given a count and maybe the chance to get back to his corner (it was close to the end of the round).

In saying that, Casamayor was seriously hurt. We are talking about a guy who's taken the best shots of Freitas, Corrales and Castillo and he gets stopped by Marquez moving up. That came as a major surprise to me.

What a performance.

Pacquaio can't call himself p4p number one until he fights this guy again. You would have to think Marquez victory over Cassa is far more impressive than Pac's against Diaz. Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa IMO...

i wouldnt call it a major surprize..fact is i predicted a llate tko win for jmm on another thread.Its the other way around...I was surprized at casa's competitiveness.(This guy is over the hill...got his ass koed by sta cruz and was lucky to beat katsidis).He was doing well with his counterpunching and even before the stoppage...either one was really dominating the other ( 2 judges scored it even).It was a good win though by jmm but it wasnt a dominating performance...so i wouldnt call it a far more impressive win than pacs total one sided demolition of david.

[KKisser]

Firstly, I thought the stoppage may have been a touch premature does anyone else agree. I know he had taken a lot of shots but I thought he should have been given a count and maybe the chance to get back to his corner (it was close to the end of the round).

In saying that, Casamayor was seriously hurt. We are talking about a guy who's taken the best shots of Freitas, Corrales and Castillo and he gets stopped by Marquez moving up. That came as a major surprise to me.

What a performance.

Pacquaio can't call himself p4p number one until he fights this guy again. You would have to think Marquez victory over Cassa is far more impressive than Pac's against Diaz. Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa IMO...

i wouldnt call it a major surprize..fact is i predicted a llate tko win for jmm on another thread.Its the other way around...I was surprized at casa's competitiveness.(This guy is over the hill...got his ass koed by sta cruz and was lucky to beat katsidis).He was doing well with his counterpunching and even before the stoppage...either one was really dominating the other ( 2 judges scored it even).It was a good win though by jmm but it wasnt a dominating performance...so i wouldnt call it a far more impressive win than pacs total one sided demolition of david.

pretty much anticipated a stoppage by jmm. casa lasted 1 round longer than i predicted. he's definitely more prepared and had shed the ring rust for this fight. jmm really had problems with him all through out the fight.