Top 20 P4P Debate

[leftylee]

It's not that, though Haye should come in at 20 IMO.

Just the likes of Cotto, Klitchsko, Marquez, Kessler, Caballero and Abraham are too "Up on the list" and should be a few places down. And Ricky Hatton, Ivan Caderon and Paul Williams should be higher. And were the fukk is Fernando Montiel ?

Serioulsey man, I could on about it all day.

Montiel doesn't quite make the top 20 Lefty, a good fighter but the top 20 is a pretty exclusive club. You'd be hard pressed to find many elite fighters to drop in favour of him.

You could bump Hatton off, maybe that would please him.

Who's on your list ? Calzaghe, Rees, Enzo Mac, Nathan Cleverely ?

[CutMeMick]

7. Mijares, I personally hate him because of all the man love he gets on here but there's no denying his talent. If he beats Darchinyan he could be on the verge of stardom.

I would kiss you dead smack on the lips right now if I could...


Truth be told I think your a "closet" fan of Mijares. Deep down inside I think when you watch him you find yourself enjoying him and actually root for him.
Also when you say man love he gets, I've been cheering for him since he beat up Arce and I predicted he'd beat Arce.
I've defended him time and time again I personally don't think theres a lot of man love for him when you compare it to the likes of Pac, Calzaghe or PBF.

[Bomp]

Montiel doesn't quite make the top 20 Lefty, a good fighter but the top 20 is a pretty exclusive club. You'd be hard pressed to find many elite fighters to drop in favour of him.

You could bump Hatton off, maybe that would please him.

Who's on your list ? Calzaghe, Rees, Enzo Mac, Nathan Cleverely ?

I have Rees at 356th,
















































10 places above Hatton.

[Kev]

7. Mijares, I personally hate him because of all the man love he gets on here but there's no denying his talent. If he beats Darchinyan he could be on the verge of stardom.

I would kiss you dead smack on the lips right now if I could...


Truth be told I think your a "closet" fan of Mijares. Deep down inside I think when you watch him you find yourself enjoying him and actually root for him.
Also when you say man love he gets, I've been cheering for him since he beat up Arce and I predicted he'd beat Arce.
I've defended him time and time again I personally don't think theres a lot of man love for him when you compare it to the likes of Pac, Calzaghe or PBF.

Thing is though with Pacquiao, Calzaghe and Floyd, for every rabid fan you have a counterbalancing irrational hater. With Mijares though everybody loves him. Plus if anything he looks more of a physical joke than even I do, with a tiny, malformed body,and a ridiculously nerdy face. He looks like someone that little kids in the street would beat up if he went out for a run.

But I'll give him credit, the kid can fight. I've never been an irrational hater, even if I am a petty hater. I mean even the fighters I don't like i.e. Haye, Mijares etc I can still acknowledge their skills.

To be honest though Mijares probably has become something of a guilty pleasure. Sure I'll laugh my ass off publicly if Darchinyan knocks him out but I expect Mijares to put on a bigger beatdown of Vic than Donaire did, which which I guess shows that I obviously rate him highly.

[HattonTheHammer]

Ok heres mine, please take into account i barely have any following in anything under 126 pounds....


1-Manny Pacquiao
2-Joe Calzaghe
3-Antonio Margarito
4-JM Marquez
5-Miguel Cotto
6-Bernard Hopkins
7-Israel Vasquez
8-Ricky Hatton
9-Mikkel Kesler
10-Kelly Pavlik
11-Chad Dawson
12-Wladimir Klitschko
13-Andre Berto
14-Vernon Forrest
15-Arthur Abraham
16-Paul Williams
17-Cristian Mijares
18-Ivan Calderon
19-Julio Diaz
20-Shane Mosley

[Fenster]

Here's the definitive list.

1. Joan (the disgrace) Guzman Currently suspended.
1. JM Marquez
2. Pac
3. Calzaghe
4. Hopkins
5. Calderon
6. Hasegawa
7. Margarito
8. Vazquez
9. Cotto
10. JM Lopez

Fact.

[kingfrnk]

Ok heres mine, please take into account i barely have any following in anything under 126 pounds....


1-Manny Pacquiao
2-Joe Calzaghe
3-Antonio Margarito
4-JM Marquez
5-Miguel Cotto
6-Bernard Hopkins
7-Israel Vasquez
8-Ricky Hatton
9-Mikkel Kesler
10-Kelly Pavlik
11-Chad Dawson
12-Wladimir Klitschko
13-Andre Berto
14-Vernon Forrest
15-Arthur Abraham
16-Paul Williams
17-Cristian Mijares
18-Ivan Calderon
19-Julio Diaz
20-Shane Mosley

no no no no no no no. all wrong

[Kev]

My list is clearly the most sensible. When it comes to p4p rankings I don't have favourites or go on personal preference I make a strictly objective assessment of each fighter's records and performances.

My list would probably be 90% accurate to what the Ring Magazine would say themselves.

[Fenster]

My list is clearly the most sensible. When it comes to p4p rankings I don't have favourites or go on personal preference I make a strictly objective assessment of each fighter's records and performances.

My list would probably be 90% accurate to what the Ring Magazine would say themselves.

Basically everyone has the names just in a slightly different order. There's no right or wrong.

If you're basing fighters primarily on their record, current opposition and perormance.. then explain how Mijares rates above Hatton?

[Kev]

My list is clearly the most sensible. When it comes to p4p rankings I don't have favourites or go on personal preference I make a strictly objective assessment of each fighter's records and performances.

My list would probably be 90% accurate to what the Ring Magazine would say themselves.

Basically everyone has the names just in a slightly different order. There's no right or wrong.

If you're basing fighters primarily on their record, current opposition and perormance.. then explain how Mijares rates above Hatton?

Oh man you all know I hate Mijares please don't put me in a position where I have to defend him

I'll be honest when it comes Mijares record I'm going with popular opinion.

Apparently beating Munoz was a big win as was Arce.

But I do agree with you. I mean he hasn't even beaten the best in his division yet, Montiel, Darchinyan and Donaire so it's probably premature to put him as high as 7.

You know what, fuck him, drop him down to whereever you see fit and move Hatton up a bit.

Hatton is still borderline p4p imo, getting KO'd by Floyd seemed to result in everyone writing him off though but to be fair he's beaten everyone else.

So drop Mijares down say 3 or 4 places and push Hatton up a couple.

[Fenster]

My list is clearly the most sensible. When it comes to p4p rankings I don't have favourites or go on personal preference I make a strictly objective assessment of each fighter's records and performances.

My list would probably be 90% accurate to what the Ring Magazine would say themselves.

Basically everyone has the names just in a slightly different order. There's no right or wrong.

If you're basing fighters primarily on their record, current opposition and perormance.. then explain how Mijares rates above Hatton?

Oh man you all know I hate Mijares please don't put me in a position where I have to defend him

I'll be honest when it comes Mijares record I'm going with popular opinion.

Apparently beating Munoz was a big win as was Arce.

But I do agree with you. I mean he hasn't even beaten the best in his division yet, Montiel, Darchinyan and Donaire so it's probably premature to put him as high as 7.

You know what, fuck him, drop him down to whereever you see fit and move Hatton up a bit.

Hatton is still borderline p4p imo, getting KO'd by Floyd seemed to result in everyone writing him off though but to be fair he's beaten everyone else.

So drop Mijares down say 3 or 4 places and push Hatton up a couple.

The thing is.. Mijares is currently in most peoples top 10. Fine. But it must ONLY be based on the belief that he has a far superior SKILL level to a guy like Hatton. If you base their standing on the quality of opposition faced, then Hatton has faced the far superior around his weight-class, with his only loss coming to an all-time-great.

Mijares last five fights contain a couple of journeymen and two fighters rated top 10 by The Ring.

Hatton's last five have ALL been rated top 10 by The Ring.

Therefore.. Hatton is/has consistently faced the far tougher, higher rated competition around his weight-class compared with Mirjares.

[Mr140]

To be honest i know nothing of Mijares but by the look of his record. He should not be above Cotto, Pavlik, Hatton and even i say Williams. I hope that Darchinyan knocks him out but i while have to wait and see should be a good fight form what i have heard so i guess i while have to wait.

[HattonTheHammer]

Basically everyone has the names just in a slightly different order. There's no right or wrong.

If you're basing fighters primarily on their record, current opposition and perormance.. then explain how Mijares rates above Hatton?

Oh man you all know I hate Mijares please don't put me in a position where I have to defend him

I'll be honest when it comes Mijares record I'm going with popular opinion.

Apparently beating Munoz was a big win as was Arce.

But I do agree with you. I mean he hasn't even beaten the best in his division yet, Montiel, Darchinyan and Donaire so it's probably premature to put him as high as 7.

You know what, fuck him, drop him down to whereever you see fit and move Hatton up a bit.

Hatton is still borderline p4p imo, getting KO'd by Floyd seemed to result in everyone writing him off though but to be fair he's beaten everyone else.

So drop Mijares down say 3 or 4 places and push Hatton up a couple.

The thing is.. Mijares is currently in most peoples top 10. Fine. But it must ONLY be based on the belief that he has a far superior SKILL level to a guy like Hatton. If you base their standing on the quality of opposition faced, then Hatton has faced the far superior around his weight-class, with his only loss coming to an all-time-great.

Mijares last five fights contain a couple of journeymen and two fighters rated top 10 by The Ring.

Hatton's last five have ALL been rated top 10 by The Ring.

Therefore.. Hatton is/has consistently faced the far tougher, higher rated competition around his weight-class compared with Mirjares.

Too true

How many world class opponents have the likes of mijares/calderon/lopez etc truly been in with??

Always been a believer in "your only as good as the man you beat" and on that basis the likes of hatton, abraham, wright, cotto all steal a march on these very low weight fighters??

How many world class american/european 120pounders have their been over the last 10/20 years??

I suspect due to the way we are physically different to the likes of our south american/asian counterparts you could probably count them on one hand!!!