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[CFH]

You can't be serious.

This is exact reason why i didn't want Joe Calzaghe to win, now you will never hear the end of Joe Calzaghe fan boys saying this garbage.

Roy weas never busy enough to beat Calzaghe that why he fought bin men and school teachers.

roy is great but really you dont think Calzaghe is greater?

Sorry who moderates these boards? BAN right here.

Calzaghe fanboys should not be criticizing the resumes of other fighters. Calzaghe is a great fighter, but prime for prime Jones is a league above him.

[CFH]

Whatever the ifs and where fors Jones took the fight at this stage of his career in his own backyard and got pony knocked out of him .. and woulda done anytime he fought against JC..

Incorrect. Jones Circa 1995-2000 knocks the living shit out of Joe.

I agree, though I do think at times JC would've made it a difficult fight for him. Not that that takes anything away from Calzaghe, he's undoubtedly a great fighter.

[Greig]

Whatever the ifs and where fors Jones took the fight at this stage of his career in his own backyard and got pony knocked out of him .. and woulda done anytime he fought against JC..

Incorrect. Jones Circa 1995-2000 knocks the living shit out of Joe.

I agree, though I do think at times JC would've made it a difficult fight for him. Not that that takes anything away from Calzaghe, he's undoubtedly a great fighter.

Of course he is. I am a big fan of Calzaghe, he is an all time great.

But I honestly believe that RJJ in his prime was about the the third or fourth best fighter ever. SRR, Ali and Louis are better IMO.

HOWEVER, we'll never know that for sure because he should have been more proactive in securing legacy defining fights when he was in his prime.

[Markusdarkus]

Whatever the ifs and where fors Jones took the fight at this stage of his career in his own backyard and got pony knocked out of him .. and woulda done anytime he fought against JC..

Incorrect. Jones Circa 1995-2000 knocks the living shit out of Joe.

BAN!

[CFH]

Incorrect. Jones Circa 1995-2000 knocks the living shit out of Joe.

I agree, though I do think at times JC would've made it a difficult fight for him. Not that that takes anything away from Calzaghe, he's undoubtedly a great fighter.

Of course he is. I am a big fan of Calzaghe, he is an all time great.

But I honestly believe that RJJ in his prime was about the the third or fourth best fighter ever. SRR, Ali and Louis are better IMO.

HOWEVER, we'll never know that for sure because he should have been more proactive in securing legacy defining fights when he was in his prime.

I'm not sure if I would consider Calzaghe an ATG. Skill-wise? Probably, but my initial thought is that I still find his level of competition to be below that of an ATG. I'd really have to think more about it to give a definate answer as to whether I'd consider him an ATG, but I would certainly consider him a great fighter.

[Greig]

Yeah, ban me

A past his best Chris Eubank (who admitted he was scared of Roy Jones) gave Calzaghe one of his toughest fights.

You can ban blokes for stating FACT.

[CFH]

Whatever the ifs and where fors Jones took the fight at this stage of his career in his own backyard and got pony knocked out of him .. and woulda done anytime he fought against JC..

Incorrect. Jones Circa 1995-2000 knocks the living shit out of Joe.

BAN!

I can see one coming

[Greig]

I agree, though I do think at times JC would've made it a difficult fight for him. Not that that takes anything away from Calzaghe, he's undoubtedly a great fighter.

Of course he is. I am a big fan of Calzaghe, he is an all time great.

But I honestly believe that RJJ in his prime was about the the third or fourth best fighter ever. SRR, Ali and Louis are better IMO.

HOWEVER, we'll never know that for sure because he should have been more proactive in securing legacy defining fights when he was in his prime.

I'm not sure if I would consider Calzaghe an ATG. Skill-wise? Probably, but my initial thought is that I still find his level of competition to be below that of an ATG. I'd really have to think more about it to give a definate answer as to whether I'd consider him an ATG, but I would certainly consider him a great fighter.

I'd

He's an ATG because he reigned at SM for a decade, fought and beat two legends on American soil (both past their best IMO) and, if he's true to his word, will retire undefeated.

Pretty good resume.

[CFH]

Of course he is. I am a big fan of Calzaghe, he is an all time great.

But I honestly believe that RJJ in his prime was about the the third or fourth best fighter ever. SRR, Ali and Louis are better IMO.

HOWEVER, we'll never know that for sure because he should have been more proactive in securing legacy defining fights when he was in his prime.

I'm not sure if I would consider Calzaghe an ATG. Skill-wise? Probably, but my initial thought is that I still find his level of competition to be below that of an ATG. I'd really have to think more about it to give a definate answer as to whether I'd consider him an ATG, but I would certainly consider him a great fighter.

I'd

He's an ATG because he reigned at SM for a decade, fought and beat two legends on American soil (both past their best IMO) and, if he's true to his word, will retire undefeated.

Pretty good resume.

His biggest wins, IMO are Eubank, Hopkins (disputed), and Kessler. I'm just not sure that qualifies him as an ATG. I'm not saying it doesn't, just that initially I'm not so sure.

You make a very good point about him dominating the division though, I'm starting to think that he merits ATG status based on that and his skill level...

I'm afraid I don't have a very firm opinion one way or the other on the subject, makes for a boring debate I guess

[Taeth]

You can't be serious.

This is exact reason why i didn't want Joe Calzaghe to win, now you will never hear the end of Joe Calzaghe fan boys saying this garbage.

Roy weas never busy enough to beat Calzaghe that why he fought bin men and school teachers.

roy is great but really you dont think Calzaghe is greater?

Sorry who moderates these boards? BAN right here.

Do you honestly want to compare their records you are fighting a losing battle. Besides Kessler and Hopkins who has Joe foughten if you mention a shot Eubanks and Roy Jones you are proving your ignorance if you mention Lacy you are proving your ignorance.

[Taeth]

Incorrect. Jones Circa 1995-2000 knocks the living shit out of Joe.

I agree, though I do think at times JC would've made it a difficult fight for him. Not that that takes anything away from Calzaghe, he's undoubtedly a great fighter.

Of course he is. I am a big fan of Calzaghe, he is an all time great.

But I honestly believe that RJJ in his prime was about the the third or fourth best fighter ever. SRR, Ali and Louis are better IMO.

HOWEVER, we'll never know that for sure because he should have been more proactive in securing legacy defining fights when he was in his prime.

I think Roy beats a lot of the top guys inthe p4p argument if they fought against eachother, but He didn't fight the type of names some of these guys did. I think if you are comparing primes he is a top 10 p4p, but being a great fighter means more than that. After this fight I definitely have Hopkins moving ahead of Roy on the p4p ATG list.

[Snakey]

Yeah, ban me

A past his best Chris Eubank (who admitted he was scared of Roy Jones) gave Calzaghe one of his toughest fights.

You can ban blokes for stating FACT.

HAHAHA ban you....ban you, someone might just tell markus that guys that have been here longer then two seconds dont get banned that easily. Dickheads who have been hear for two seconds do

[Greig]

I agree, though I do think at times JC would've made it a difficult fight for him. Not that that takes anything away from Calzaghe, he's undoubtedly a great fighter.

Of course he is. I am a big fan of Calzaghe, he is an all time great.

But I honestly believe that RJJ in his prime was about the the third or fourth best fighter ever. SRR, Ali and Louis are better IMO.

HOWEVER, we'll never know that for sure because he should have been more proactive in securing legacy defining fights when he was in his prime.

I think Roy beats a lot of the top guys inthe p4p argument if they fought against eachother, but He didn't fight the type of names some of these guys did. I think if you are comparing primes he is a top 10 p4p, but being a great fighter means more than that. After this fight I definitely have Hopkins moving ahead of Roy on the p4p ATG list.

I must disagree Taeth.

For a start, Jones has a win over Hopkins.

Second, Jones won belts at 160, 168, 175 and heavyweight. B-Hop never did that.

Third, a lot of Hopkins biggest wins were against guys he had distinct size and weight advantages over (DLH, Winky, Pavlik). Lets not forget that at light heavyweight his resume consists of a shot Tarver and a bunch of guys moving up.

No, B-Hop is a great fighter, but Roy is greater IMO.

[BIG H]

I'll start by saying I sincerely believe a prime RJJ beats Prime Calzaghe
BUT comments about RJJ being way past his best, whilst being right, don't also take into account that the same could be said for Calzaghe. Alright he's not 'way' past his best but he is definitely not the guy that beat Lacy. 2006 Lacy hits harder than today's version of Jones or B-hop and he caught Clzaghe clean a few times in the early rounds a dn Calzaghe never went down like he did in his last 2 fights (I have only see the KD so far in the RJJ fight - watching it later) But people say Jomnes is shot, because he has been KOed twice, well who's fault is that, he shouldn't have got KOed twice should he , Calzaghe hasn't ever been knocked out, he gets up and wins. Apart from the big 2 losses RJJ wasn't in many really hard fights was he, so was 39 with 55 fights, Calzaghe was 36 with 45 fights, they are both past their best, admidetly Jones more so than JC, but that's because he's had a couple of hidings against 2 'Good' not 'Great' fighters. Again I will say imo Jones Prime for prime beats JC, but let's not think that this was a prime 28 year old that just beat RJJ either.

[Greig]

I agree BigH, Joe is past his best as well.

But then it starts getting ridiculous - well, uh, Joe is still probably 75% of what he was at his best. But then Roy is probably only about 40% of when he was at this best so how do we rate the win blah blah blah.

Bottom line is, at good as Joe's win was tonight, you can't read a whole lot into it.

I'm sure I speak for the majority of boxing fans on this site when I say THESE ARE FIGHTS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE FUCKING YEARS AGO!

Prime versus prime. Roy wasted his prime fighting bums, and, truth be told, so did Joe.