Joe Calzaghe is obviously a great fighter...

[Taeth]

I can't see Calzaghe with how he throws punches being effective against these guys, I think people forget just how sharp these guys were in their prime. Sure Joe had more power in his prime, but he still threw the same sort of punches and thats where his flaw lies.

In their prime Toney and Hopkins to rattle off a tremendous work rate if they needed to, they would easily throw 600 punches, they would all be sharp, accurate, damaging punches. Joe is fast, but Toney and Hopkins punched straighter. Hell I thought Hopkins when you take into account his reaction time and mental speed was as fast or faster then Calzaghe, He reacted quicker, he got hit less % wise if you are actually looking at real punches. It was Calzaghe who was forced to rever to slapping punches to land anything against Bernard because he couldn't hit B-Hop solidly with anything.

I can't imagine how many right hands he would walk into against James Toney. Watch the fight with him againt Michael Nunn, who was a more orthodox boxer with more speed then Calzaghe, Toney was losing rounds but he was landing that right over and over again. I don't see Calzaghe landing that much, and I see him as being a lot easier to hit then Michael Nunn was. This matchup is horrible for Joe Calzaghe because Toney could punch through anything(except a prime Roy's attack). I was going to make a thread earlier today about people ahve forgotten the greatness of prime James Toney, and what he brought to the table.

[Kev]

I thought it was a great performance from Calzaghe and also I feel Jones did himself proud as well.

I'm not at all convinced that a prime Roy dominates a prime Joe like you guys think.

What you seem to be missing is that when Joe gets hurt he ALWAYS comes back and dominates.

From the worst possible start against one of the greatest fighters ever he just comes straight back and takes over.

His showboating was over the top but it says something about the confidence the man has, I genuinely believe he think's he unbeatable.

He got hit and really hurt from that shot and instead of being rattled or going on the defensive like virtually every other fighter out there he just sticks out his chin in defiance. It was like he said to himself 'Ok he's hit me and hurt me, no more defense bullshit for me, I'm keeping my arms low and my wits about me.

I actually loved his showboating, it's exactly what prime Roy did to all of his opponents, Calzaghe completely took Roy Jones apart, not with punching power against an emaciated Jones like Tarver and Johnson did but by beating him at his own game.

He was faster, flashier, threw more punches, had more confidence and even after being knocked down you could see that he knew he had the beating of Jones.

I would have loved to see a prime Calzaghe against a prime Jones because Jones never faced anyone like Calzaghe. If Jones hit and hurt him he would, like he did tonight, roar back at him like a lion.

Jones was never tested in his prime the way Calzaghe would have tested him.

I'm not saying Calzaghe is better p4p that Jones, he's not, I'm not even saying he would beat him for sure, I'm just saying all of you who think Jones would just beat him down arn't giving him enough credit.

Yeah he leaves his hands low and risks getting hit, but like true greats he recovers instantly and from them on dominates.

Jones was never able to do that, although to be fair when he got hit he was put to sleep, Lennox Lewis was never able to do that.

I don't know any fighter who is more composed under adversity that Calzaghe, he's an all time great, the best British fighter ever, the best European fighter ever, just a great great fighter.

If he was to take Marciano's record nobody could ever convince me he was unworthy.

Even Marciano got knocked down and hurt in fights, and unlike Calzaghe he never came back and dominated those fights as decisively as Joe did.

When he gets hit, he gets going.

Jones and Calzaghe prime for prime, damn what a fight that would have been.