Carl Froch Is Not That Good.

[dee_z_r]

yeah it is frustrating especially whenyou seem after getting dropped that he still has his hands low. when i first saw froch i looked at his stance and thought he was a counter puncher and would roll his shoulder a lot

[Scrap]

Carls got something money cant buy, I had my doubts. It will be interesting what happened Saturday will Help His developement and Confidence. Im looking forward to how He developes

[Violent Demise]

There is no question that Froch’s fights provide entertainment but when he has stepped up to world class level he has sucked and now he wants Calzaghe. If Froch was destroying guys then he could legitimately talk about Calzaghe. If he wants Calzaghe to take him seriously then fight Kessler and DESTROY HIM or fight Pavlik and DESTROY HIM or fight Winky Wright and DESTROY HIM or fight Hopkins and DESTROY HIM. He needs to do something to a top fighter that no-one has done before.

He seems to think scrambling home against a former ex-champ (J.Taylor) when he was behind on points after being outboxed for 11 round is good enough form to beat Calzaghe. I think team Froch have to be VERY careful if they want to hold to his title. I would fancy Cory Spinks to beat him, that’s not a diss on Spinks, my point is it would not take an outstanding fighter to beat him, it would not even take a very good one, just decent world level performer would beat him in my opinion

Carl Froch – YOUR MEDIOCRE !!

LOL. I don't know about Cory Spinks. Even I wouldn't go that far. But I agree with damn near everything you wrote. Overall an A+ post.

[RozzySean]

There is no question that Froch’s fights provide entertainment but when he has stepped up to world class level he has sucked and now he wants Calzaghe. If Froch was destroying guys then he could legitimately talk about Calzaghe. If he wants Calzaghe to take him seriously then fight Kessler and DESTROY HIM or fight Pavlik and DESTROY HIM or fight Winky Wright and DESTROY HIM or fight Hopkins and DESTROY HIM. He needs to do something to a top fighter that no-one has done before.

He seems to think scrambling home against a former ex-champ (J.Taylor) when he was behind on points after being outboxed for 11 round is good enough form to beat Calzaghe. I think team Froch have to be VERY careful if they want to hold to his title. I would fancy Cory Spinks to beat him, that’s not a diss on Spinks, my point is it would not take an outstanding fighter to beat him, it would not even take a very good one, just decent world level performer would beat him in my opinion

Carl Froch – YOUR NOT THAT GOOD !!

Why do you demand that he DESTROY the likes of Kessler, Hopkins, Pavlik and Winky when NOBODY has ever destroyed ANY those fighters INCLUDING JOE CALZAGHE


And if you consider Williams win over Winky and B Hops win over Pavlik DESTRUCTIONS then please go back and watch the 12th round of Froch vs Taylor because he REALLY DESTROYED him

Taylor was beaten by a few good punches and his own lack of stamina and heart. Hopkins destroyed Pavlik 100x worse and Williams beat Wright 10x worse. Froch is more Micky Ward than Joe Calzaghe and I mean that as a compliment.

[Violent Demise]

There is no question that Froch’s fights provide entertainment but when he has stepped up to world class level he has sucked and now he wants Calzaghe. If Froch was destroying guys then he could legitimately talk about Calzaghe. If he wants Calzaghe to take him seriously then fight Kessler and DESTROY HIM or fight Pavlik and DESTROY HIM or fight Winky Wright and DESTROY HIM or fight Hopkins and DESTROY HIM. He needs to do something to a top fighter that no-one has done before.

He seems to think scrambling home against a former ex-champ (J.Taylor) when he was behind on points after being outboxed for 11 round is good enough form to beat Calzaghe. I think team Froch have to be VERY careful if they want to hold to his title. I would fancy Cory Spinks to beat him, that’s not a diss on Spinks, my point is it would not take an outstanding fighter to beat him, it would not even take a very good one, just decent world level performer would beat him in my opinion

Carl Froch – YOUR NOT THAT GOOD !!

Why do you demand that he DESTROY the likes of Kessler, Hopkins, Pavlik and Winky when NOBODY has ever destroyed ANY those fighters INCLUDING JOE CALZAGHE


And if you consider Williams win over Winky and B Hops win over Pavlik DESTRUCTIONS then please go back and watch the 12th round of Froch vs Taylor because he REALLY DESTROYED him

Taylor was beaten by a few good punches and his own lack of stamina and heart. Hopkins destroyed Pavlik 100x worse and Williams beat Wright 10x worse. Froch is more Micky Ward than Joe Calzaghe and I mean that as a compliment.

Don't know about Micky Ward. I say more Hector Quiroz

[JudahShuffle]

Someone please feed Froch to Kessler

[Violent Demise]

Someone please feed Froch to Kessler

What's the point? Kessler would only turn him down and demand Stjepan Bozic

[Kev]

There is no question that Froch’s fights provide entertainment but when he has stepped up to world class level he has sucked and now he wants Calzaghe. If Froch was destroying guys then he could legitimately talk about Calzaghe. If he wants Calzaghe to take him seriously then fight Kessler and DESTROY HIM or fight Pavlik and DESTROY HIM or fight Winky Wright and DESTROY HIM or fight Hopkins and DESTROY HIM. He needs to do something to a top fighter that no-one has done before.

He seems to think scrambling home against a former ex-champ (J.Taylor) when he was behind on points after being outboxed for 11 round is good enough form to beat Calzaghe. I think team Froch have to be VERY careful if they want to hold to his title. I would fancy Cory Spinks to beat him, that’s not a diss on Spinks, my point is it would not take an outstanding fighter to beat him, it would not even take a very good one, just decent world level performer would beat him in my opinion

Carl Froch – YOUR NOT THAT GOOD !!

Why do you demand that he DESTROY the likes of Kessler, Hopkins, Pavlik and Winky when NOBODY has ever destroyed ANY those fighters INCLUDING JOE CALZAGHE


And if you consider Williams win over Winky and B Hops win over Pavlik DESTRUCTIONS then please go back and watch the 12th round of Froch vs Taylor because he REALLY DESTROYED him

Taylor was beaten by a few good punches and his own lack of stamina and heart. Hopkins destroyed Pavlik 100x worse and Williams beat Wright 10x worse. Froch is more Micky Ward than Joe Calzaghe and I mean that as a compliment.

How did Hopkins destroy Pavlik much worse than Froch destroyed Taylor?

Froch KNOCKED Taylor out! That is more emphatic than any points victory. The judges are only need in the event that the fight isn't decided within the time limit, therefore Froch's win is better by definition.

The ultimate goal of boxing is to knock out your opponent, the scoring is only for humane reasons to prevent boxers fighting to the death.

Have a look at Pavlik at the end of the Hopkins fight and look at Taylor at the end of the Froch fight and ask yourself again who got destroyed

[denilson200]

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Originally Posted By Bilbo

How did Hopkins destroy Pavlik much worse than Froch destroyed Taylor?
Froch KNOCKED Taylor out! That is more emphatic than any points victory. The judges are only need in the event that the fight isn't decided within the time limit, therefore Froch's win is better by definition. The ultimate goal of boxing is to knock out your opponent, the scoring is only for humane reasons to prevent boxers fighting to the death. Have a look at Pavlik at the end of the Hopkins fight and look at Taylor at the end of the Froch fight and ask yourself again who got destroyed
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Not at all. If you think Froch victory over Taylor was more emphatic than Hopkins over Pavlik then you don't know boxing, my friend. If they fought again Taylor would still most likely be made favourite to beat Froch. Taylor just ran out of gas, Froch didn't outbox Taylor, out speed him, show brilliant combos or make Taylor looks foolish and amateurish...but that's what Hopkins did to Pavlik.

All Froch brings to the table is a good chin, determination and a lot of heart, not only would Cory Spinks beat him, but I think if Mayorga bulked up he would beat him, I think if Tito Trindad came back he would beat him. I thought it was a terrible performance and he got lucky.

[Kev]

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Originally Posted By Bilbo

How did Hopkins destroy Pavlik much worse than Froch destroyed Taylor?
Froch KNOCKED Taylor out! That is more emphatic than any points victory. The judges are only need in the event that the fight isn't decided within the time limit, therefore Froch's win is better by definition. The ultimate goal of boxing is to knock out your opponent, the scoring is only for humane reasons to prevent boxers fighting to the death. Have a look at Pavlik at the end of the Hopkins fight and look at Taylor at the end of the Froch fight and ask yourself again who got destroyed
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Not at all. If you think Froch victory over Taylor was more emphatic than Hopkins over Pavlik then you don't know boxing, my friend. If they fought again Taylor would still most likely be made favourite to beat Froch. Taylor just ran out of gas, Froch didn't outbox Taylor, out speed him, show brilliant combos or make Taylor looks foolish and amateurish...but that's what Hopkins did to Pavlik.

All Froch brings to the table is a good chin, determination and a lot of heart, not only would Cory Spinks beat him, but I think if Mayorga bulked up he would beat him, I think if Tito Trindad came back he would beat him. I thought it was a terrible performance and he got lucky.

And I'm the one who knows nothing about boxing

[RozzySean]

Why do you demand that he DESTROY the likes of Kessler, Hopkins, Pavlik and Winky when NOBODY has ever destroyed ANY those fighters INCLUDING JOE CALZAGHE


And if you consider Williams win over Winky and B Hops win over Pavlik DESTRUCTIONS then please go back and watch the 12th round of Froch vs Taylor because he REALLY DESTROYED him

Taylor was beaten by a few good punches and his own lack of stamina and heart. Hopkins destroyed Pavlik 100x worse and Williams beat Wright 10x worse. Froch is more Micky Ward than Joe Calzaghe and I mean that as a compliment.

Don't know about Micky Ward. I say more Hector Quiroz

I don't mean to imply that he's as tough as Ward or that he fights in the style. Ward was a a guy who could be losing almost every round, then bang, land his punch and either turn the fight around or win it with a KO.

But now that I think about it, Ward destroyed guys even in losses or close wins. Several fights were never the same after enduring Wards body shots. Froch isn't that punishing.

[Gandalf]

I don't think Froch looks all that impressive but he did what a lot of fighters couldn't do and that is stop Jermaine Taylor. Wright couldn't do it, Hopkins laboured over a lot rounds and couldn't do it and here is this talentless Froch knocking him out!

Not bad at all really.

[Kev]

Taylor was beaten by a few good punches and his own lack of stamina and heart. Hopkins destroyed Pavlik 100x worse and Williams beat Wright 10x worse. Froch is more Micky Ward than Joe Calzaghe and I mean that as a compliment.

Don't know about Micky Ward. I say more Hector Quiroz

I don't mean to imply that he's as tough as Ward or that he fights in the style. Ward was a a guy who could be losing almost every round, then bang, land his punch and either turn the fight around or win it with a KO.

But now that I think about it, Ward destroyed guys even in losses or close wins. Several fights were never the same after enduring Wards body shots. Froch isn't that punishing.

So now Froch isn't even as good as Mickey Ward?

How many world titles did Ward win again? How many former undisputed world champs and p4p stars did he beat?

[Kirkland Laing]

Don't know about Micky Ward. I say more Hector Quiroz

I don't mean to imply that he's as tough as Ward or that he fights in the style. Ward was a a guy who could be losing almost every round, then bang, land his punch and either turn the fight around or win it with a KO.

But now that I think about it, Ward destroyed guys even in losses or close wins. Several fights were never the same after enduring Wards body shots. Froch isn't that punishing.

So now Froch isn't even as good as Mickey Ward?

How many world titles did Ward win again? How many former undisputed world champs and p4p stars did he beat?

Taylor is a former pound for pound guy at a lower weight. Since then he's gone downhill to the extent that even Froch could beat him. If Froch was facing a genuine pound for pound 168 pounder or even a pound for pound middleweight he'd get his arse handed to him.

[RozzySean]

Don't know about Micky Ward. I say more Hector Quiroz

I don't mean to imply that he's as tough as Ward or that he fights in the style. Ward was a a guy who could be losing almost every round, then bang, land his punch and either turn the fight around or win it with a KO.

But now that I think about it, Ward destroyed guys even in losses or close wins. Several fights were never the same after enduring Wards body shots. Froch isn't that punishing.

So now Froch isn't even as good as Mickey Ward?

How many world titles did Ward win again? How many former undisputed world champs and p4p stars did he beat?

Dude, you are so touchy. I didn't say Froch wasn't as good as Ward, I said he's not as punishing. And he's not. And as far has saying that Froch is closer to Ward than Calzaghe, let me break it down simply. Lets say the Joe Calzaghe gets an A+ grade as a fighter. Micky Ward gets a B grade as a fighter. Froch is a B+, not an A-. Kessler is an A-. There's a bigger gap between guys like Roy Jones, Calzaghe, James Toney, and Floyd Mayweather and Froch than there is between Froch and Ward.

Ward was one of the TOUGHEST fighters ever. Also, he had a style and a skillset that inflicted career changing punishment. Taylor might have gotten KO'd, but I doubt he was pissing blood for days like Gatti and Green did.

But both fighters use toughness, determination, and power to beat more athletically gifted opponents.