Frank Warren - "Haye pulled out due to money"

[JT Rock]

When a fight is made, particularly one featuring fighters and promoters from two different countries, a contract between the promoters and a special bank account hold the revenues from the fight and dictate how the money is shared out after the fight. The special bank account is called an escrow account and is nominally controlled by a third party, normally a lawyer who has no connection to the various people/companies involed in the promotion. The money that TV companies like Setanta pay to show the fight is paid up front into this escrow account, and the contract governing the account dictates how the money is to be paid out after the fight. Or if the fight is cancelled it mandates repayment of the money back to the TV companies. So the Setanta money was already sitting in a bank account out of the reach of Setanta and Haye when the fight contract was signed. All Haye had to do to get it was turn up and fight. There was no reason for Haye to ask to be paid upfront and he'd happily signed a contract that paid him after the fight. There was no way that, had the fight gone ahead, that he wouldn't have been paid.

Don't forget Warren is involved in a lawsuit with Setanta after he unilaterally opted out of his contract with them and went back to Sky. Now that Setanta have gone bust the administrators running Setanta will drop the case so Warren just taking advantage of the situation to badmouth a rival promoter now that there'll be no legal consequences to running his mouth. The whole story is total bs, it's just Frank doing his thing.

Usually when a business is going under there has been lawsuits and creditors already barking. That money could have been freezed etc.

You never know, I mean how many times does a big network fold like this?

[The Fightfan]

I find this amusing. So he wasn't going to get paid heh? How much did Buster Douglas get paid for the Tyson fight? When he beat Mike he then had a 25 million dollar payday for the fight with Holyfield. So why not fight Wlad for peanuts if he is so sure he would beat Wlad. Fight Vitali in his next bout for a heavyweight championship and make 6 times as much as what he made against Wlad. I would like to know what was Haye going to get for his fight with Wlad? I find it amusing didn't Sander's fight Wlad for $25,000.

Ok so when you go to work today and make $20 an hour, your boss pulls you aside and says FIGHTFAN, we are having some problems here at work were going to have to ask you to work for free this week buddy.

So Fightfan are you going to put in a 40 hour workweek for nothing or are you going to develop a cough all of a sudden? Dont answer I'll mail you out some cough drops.

Douglas and Tyson was not a mega event of this magnitude. Wlad couldnt draw 61k people on his own. It was Haye and his fanfare. Also Haye already bit the bullet fighting Wlad, since it was reported by many sources that Haye's cut was an insult not to mention Haye was getting nothing from the arena gate or German TV.

Can you blame the guy for wavering when his last bastian of income in this fight wasnt going to pay him. Gimme a break already

All those advocating he fight for free, who was going to pay the promoter, manager and trainer then?

Right, but you forgot to mention if my boss came to me and said hey work for free this week. I'll pay 3 or even 4 times as much next week. You bet your ass I would work this week for free.

[The Fightfan]

I also do remember Wlad vs Chagev drew 60,000 people. Not Haye and Wlad sure those ticket's were for that fight but why the hell would they still show up and not get a refund in which they were entitled too?

[ICB]

I find this amusing. So he wasn't going to get paid heh? How much did Buster Douglas get paid for the Tyson fight? When he beat Mike he then had a 25 million dollar payday for the fight with Holyfield. So why not fight Wlad for peanuts if he is so sure he would beat Wlad. Fight Vitali in his next bout for a heavyweight championship and make 6 times as much as what he made against Wlad. I would like to know what was Haye going to get for his fight with Wlad? I find it amusing didn't Sander's fight Wlad for $25,000.

Ok so when you go to work today and make $20 an hour, your boss pulls you aside and says FIGHTFAN, we are having some problems here at work were going to have to ask you to work for free this week buddy.

So Fightfan are you going to put in a 40 hour workweek for nothing or are you going to develop a cough all of a sudden? Dont answer I'll mail you out some cough drops.

Douglas and Tyson was not a mega event of this magnitude. Wlad couldnt draw 61k people on his own. It was Haye and his fanfare. Also Haye already bit the bullet fighting Wlad, since it was reported by many sources that Haye's cut was an insult not to mention Haye was getting nothing from the arena gate or German TV.

Can you blame the guy for wavering when his last bastian of income in this fight wasnt going to pay him. Gimme a break already

All those advocating he fight for free, who was going to pay the promoter, manager and trainer then?

Right, but you forgot to mention if my boss came to me and said hey work for free this week. I'll pay 3 or even 4 times as much next week. You bet your ass I would work this week for free.

The point is you need motivation when you fight, sure of course beating Wladimir Klitschko and getting the belt is motivational. But not getting paid for it ? im sorry but i wouldn't either, all that training and getting up early. Yet i don't get paid a dime ? no way in hell, im not saying its Wladimir Klitschko's fault, but come on bro.

[OumaFan]

I find this amusing. So he wasn't going to get paid heh? How much did Buster Douglas get paid for the Tyson fight? When he beat Mike he then had a 25 million dollar payday for the fight with Holyfield. So why not fight Wlad for peanuts if he is so sure he would beat Wlad. Fight Vitali in his next bout for a heavyweight championship and make 6 times as much as what he made against Wlad. I would like to know what was Haye going to get for his fight with Wlad? I find it amusing didn't Sander's fight Wlad for $25,000.

Ok so when you go to work today and make $20 an hour, your boss pulls you aside and says FIGHTFAN, we are having some problems here at work were going to have to ask you to work for free this week buddy.

So Fightfan are you going to put in a 40 hour workweek for nothing or are you going to develop a cough all of a sudden? Dont answer I'll mail you out some cough drops.

Douglas and Tyson was not a mega event of this magnitude. Wlad couldnt draw 61k people on his own. It was Haye and his fanfare. Also Haye already bit the bullet fighting Wlad, since it was reported by many sources that Haye's cut was an insult not to mention Haye was getting nothing from the arena gate or German TV.

Can you blame the guy for wavering when his last bastian of income in this fight wasnt going to pay him. Gimme a break already

All those advocating he fight for free, who was going to pay the promoter, manager and trainer then?

Right, but you forgot to mention if my boss came to me and said hey work for free this week. I'll pay 3 or even 4 times as much next week. You bet your ass I would work this week for free.

LOL how is that even comparable, you're guaranteed extra money for the next week, if Haye loses then he fought for free and got nothing.

This is insane, if you think he pussed out that's one thing but no elite boxer is going to fight for free. If you told an elite professional boxer that you thought Haye should fight for free he would laugh in your face, Wlad would laugh in your face. That's not how it works, this whole idea is absolutely laughable.

[ClubberLang]

Douglas and Tyson was not a mega event of this magnitude. Wlad couldnt draw 61k people on his own. It was Haye and his fanfare.

That's nonsense; Haye fought Barrett in his own backyard and barely drew 5000. Wlad is massive in Germany. So, yes, the vast majority of the 61,000 came to see Wlad.

[AdamGB]

Douglas and Tyson was not a mega event of this magnitude. Wlad couldnt draw 61k people on his own. It was Haye and his fanfare.

That's nonsense; Haye fought Barrett in his own backyard and barely drew 5000. Wlad is massive in Germany. So, yes, the vast majority of the 61,000 came to see Wlad.

They came because they thought they were going to see Wlad in a real fight... for a WORLD TITLE

Why would sports fans pay to see Haye fight a journey man that they have never heard of for a NON TITLE fight.

Consider all the factors that draw in crowds next time.

Selling 61,000 because people think they are going to see Haye and Wlad fight for the WORLD TITLE is not the same as selling 5000 to see Haye fight somebody they've never heard of in a relatively meaningless non title bout.

[JT Rock]

Douglas and Tyson was not a mega event of this magnitude. Wlad couldnt draw 61k people on his own. It was Haye and his fanfare.

That's nonsense; Haye fought Barrett in his own backyard and barely drew 5000. Wlad is massive in Germany. So, yes, the vast majority of the 61,000 came to see Wlad.

Really? When was the last time Wlad drew that many people?

[izzywizzy]

i wrote a really good comment on here about half an hour ago and its not even showed up

[ElTerribleMorales]

Douglas and Tyson was not a mega event of this magnitude. Wlad couldnt draw 61k people on his own. It was Haye and his fanfare.

That's nonsense; Haye fought Barrett in his own backyard and barely drew 5000. Wlad is massive in Germany. So, yes, the vast majority of the 61,000 came to see Wlad.

Really? When was the last time Wlad drew that many people?

ummm he just did Saturday , he alone sells out all of his fights when they're in Germany

[Hunter]

I find this amusing. So he wasn't going to get paid heh? How much did Buster Douglas get paid for the Tyson fight? When he beat Mike he then had a 25 million dollar payday for the fight with Holyfield. So why not fight Wlad for peanuts if he is so sure he would beat Wlad. Fight Vitali in his next bout for a heavyweight championship and make 6 times as much as what he made against Wlad. I would like to know what was Haye going to get for his fight with Wlad? I find it amusing didn't Sander's fight Wlad for $25,000.

The reason Haye didnt fight Wlad is Haye knew he was going to get beat down. I agree with what you are saying, if Haye was so confident he could win he should have just taken the fight and fought for whatever, he would have gotten paid something....Than his next few fights he would have made MiLLIONS....Now he is in a far riskier position. I just hope Wlad doesnt give him a gift and fight Haye in his next fight. I want to see Haye fight for peanuts against a RING top 6-10 HW and get KO'd knowing he just ruined his whole career....WHAT A CHUMP....

When Haye talks smack now you cant help but laugh at him.....What a joke he is.

[ICB]

I find this amusing. So he wasn't going to get paid heh? How much did Buster Douglas get paid for the Tyson fight? When he beat Mike he then had a 25 million dollar payday for the fight with Holyfield. So why not fight Wlad for peanuts if he is so sure he would beat Wlad. Fight Vitali in his next bout for a heavyweight championship and make 6 times as much as what he made against Wlad. I would like to know what was Haye going to get for his fight with Wlad? I find it amusing didn't Sander's fight Wlad for $25,000.

The reason Haye didnt fight Wlad is Haye knew he was going to get beat down. I agree with what you are saying, if Haye was so confident he could win he should have just taken the fight and fought for whatever, he would have gotten paid something....Than his next few fights he would have made MiLLIONS....Now he is in a far riskier position. I just hope Wlad doesnt give him a gift and fight Haye in his next fight. I want to see Haye fight for peanuts against a RING top 6-10 HW and get KO'd knowing he just ruined his whole career....WHAT A CHUMP....

When Haye talks smack now you cant help but laugh at him.....What a joke he is.

Its easy for people to say fight for nothing, when there not getting in the ring themselves.

[Hunter]

I find this amusing. So he wasn't going to get paid heh? How much did Buster Douglas get paid for the Tyson fight? When he beat Mike he then had a 25 million dollar payday for the fight with Holyfield. So why not fight Wlad for peanuts if he is so sure he would beat Wlad. Fight Vitali in his next bout for a heavyweight championship and make 6 times as much as what he made against Wlad. I would like to know what was Haye going to get for his fight with Wlad? I find it amusing didn't Sander's fight Wlad for $25,000.

The reason Haye didnt fight Wlad is Haye knew he was going to get beat down. I agree with what you are saying, if Haye was so confident he could win he should have just taken the fight and fought for whatever, he would have gotten paid something....Than his next few fights he would have made MiLLIONS....Now he is in a far riskier position. I just hope Wlad doesnt give him a gift and fight Haye in his next fight. I want to see Haye fight for peanuts against a RING top 6-10 HW and get KO'd knowing he just ruined his whole career....WHAT A CHUMP....

When Haye talks smack now you cant help but laugh at him.....What a joke he is.

Its easy for people to say fight for nothing, when there not getting in the ring themselves.

Life is full of risks and many successful people have taken calculated risks to get to where they are. Per David Haye this was going to be the easiest fight of his career so why not take it KO Wlad and make millions in his next few fights......hmmmm...let me see....ummmmm....Wait..I Know...I know......::::

HAYE KNOWS HE IS GOING TO GET KTFO

[ICB]

The reason Haye didnt fight Wlad is Haye knew he was going to get beat down. I agree with what you are saying, if Haye was so confident he could win he should have just taken the fight and fought for whatever, he would have gotten paid something....Than his next few fights he would have made MiLLIONS....Now he is in a far riskier position. I just hope Wlad doesnt give him a gift and fight Haye in his next fight. I want to see Haye fight for peanuts against a RING top 6-10 HW and get KO'd knowing he just ruined his whole career....WHAT A CHUMP....

When Haye talks smack now you cant help but laugh at him.....What a joke he is.

Its easy for people to say fight for nothing, when there not getting in the ring themselves.

Life is full of risks and many successful people have taken calculated risks to get to where they are. Per David Haye this was going to be the easiest fight of his career so why not take it KO Wlad and make millions in his next few fights......hmmmm...let me see....ummmmm....Wait..I Know...I know......::::

HAYE KNOWS HE IS GOING TO GET KTFO

Yea because no boxer has ever said this is going to be there easiest fight, to hype up a fight. Please are you reading what your saying ? most boxers say this is going to be an easy fight and ETC.

Thats all a part of the game regarding boxing, thats exactly why Bernard Hopkins said the white boy comment to Joe Calzaghe. To put asses in seats.

As i said its easy for you to say that David Haye should fight for nothing, when your comfortably sitting in your seat. But when you've trained your ass off for weeks on end.

Only to find out you won't be getting paid in a high risk fight, i don't think you would want to fight either. Regardless of what David Haye says or any boxer, about this being an easy fight or whatever. You take that with a pinch of salt.

Your only taking that out on context because your a fan of Wladimir Klitschko, i think David Haye knows this will be a very tough fight for him style wise. Which is why he wouldn't be stupid enough to fight for nothing end of.

[rjj tszyu]

To answer the question at the top of the thread, I honestly think that Haye has more of a chance against Wlad than anyone else around in todays lacklustre HW divison and had he took the fight and won without any pay he would have still set himself up for huge paydays.

But I wouldn't go to work if I wasn't going to get paid and really why should anyone? Haye signed a contract that was surprising to say the least, with all the rematch clauses and then not to get any money on top of that would have been a disgrace! So I think he was right to pull out although I was disappointed at first.