Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?

[holmcall]

Because he slaughtered the guy who butchered the guy who beat him, but he did this MOST RECENTLY. My guess is Mosley is fresher than Cotto and that's why I have have him ranked higher--that and the fact I saw Margo's ghost in his fight with Clottey.

[Spicoli]

Maybe its on longevity.Overall view.I mean technically and maybe anally ,Mosley has beaten just as many Ring top 10 ranked Welters over a span of years as Cotto has recently.....but of course lost to Forrest twice there as well.Maybe its the what have you done for me lately point of view.

For me I think his last two wins were more impressive than Cottos and since Cottos close win over Mosley....Mosley has Ko'd the man in Margarito who had previously Ko'd the man...Cotto.Whatever the opinion of did he or didn't he regarding Tony,The ring has obviously not let that into its decision as they still have him ranked as well.What I know for fact is that Mosley beat Tonys azz as if he owed him money .I do think Cotto is an improved boxer and was willing to bet all that they would have rematched by now.Love to see it

[Taeth]

neither did cotto..he just got his ass whooped by pressure and will...

Two pictures: One with his hand wrap around cotto, the second is the ref kenny bayless raising margo's hand, clearly showing that if he had plaster around his hand then bayless must've bet on him...

cotto just got his ass whooped, valiant effort, but just had the wrong game plan. No cheating..even if he did cheat, which is clear that he didn't at least not against cotto....he still took all of cotto's shots and walked through them, he broke cotto's will.


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That doesn't prove anything. Marga-cheato was putting plaster into his wraps in front of the state inspectors, and no one ever noticed. It took a streetwise Nazeem Richardson to spot the "plastered Bastard's" secrete weapon.

Of course it doesn't prove anything to someone who can't believe cotto simply got his ass whooped because of bad strategy and not some bullshit cheat tactic. Anyone that paid attention could tell after the mosley fight that cotto was going to be in trouble against Tony.

"i kept hitting him but he just kept coming so i decided to win the fight the easy way" - cotto after the mosley fight

Wow you have the worst excuses ever. How did anything you said prove Margarito didn't use plaster in his wraps? Those pictures proved absolutely nothign, your logic is terrible.

[JonesJrMayweather]

That doesn't prove anything. Marga-cheato was putting plaster into his wraps in front of the state inspectors, and no one ever noticed. It took a streetwise Nazeem Richardson to spot the "plastered Bastard's" secrete weapon.

Of course it doesn't prove anything to someone who can't believe cotto simply got his ass whooped because of bad strategy and not some bullshit cheat tactic. Anyone that paid attention could tell after the mosley fight that cotto was going to be in trouble against Tony.

"i kept hitting him but he just kept coming so i decided to win the fight the easy way" - cotto after the mosley fight

Wow you have the worst excuses ever. How did anything you said prove Margarito didn't use plaster in his wraps? Those pictures proved absolutely nothign, your logic is terrible.

Uhh in the picture you can clearly see the ref holding his hand with the wrap still on it and another one with his around cotto...now if it was hard like plaster wouldn't cotto and bayless have noticed immediately?

[blegit]

Cotto beat Mosley and Cotto beat #3 Clottey. Just these facts merit debate. As an analogy, remember Ring Magazine ranks Donaire ahead of Vic because Donaire beat Vic even though Vic has beat the better competition since that fight, which isn't even the case here.

Cotto's loss to Margarito, at least to an extent, can be chalked up to the fact Margarito was hitting him with bricks. Mosley didn't fight a Margarito with bricks.

We aren't talking about p4p. We are talking about at welterweight. Cotto has beat almost every single top ten welterweight with the exception of Collazo and Berto. Mosley has only beat Collazo.

It is definitely a close call even if Mosley gets the nod.

agree with all of it. especailly the words in bold. Cotto has taken all of the toughest fights at welter and no else has done this. i dont see how anybody cant be a fan of Cotto he takes on the toughest fights possible. im pretty sure if Paul Williams was still at 147 Cotto would be the only one who has the balls to take him on. anyways i think its pretty close but i would probably have shane 1st. but thats only because Margacheato beat Cotto (which is a questionable win now ) who was the #1 welter then Mosley beat Margacheato who was the #1 welter.

IMO shane and cotto should fight for the ring welterweight title

Mosely should be ranked ahead of Cotto.

1. Margarito (plaster or not) completely broke Cotto down. In fact, it remains to be seen if he will ever recover. The bottom line is Cotto ate a bunch of leather.

2. Mosely put on a clinic against Margarito. Mosely did not get hit much at all.

3. Cotto did beat Mosely. But I wish people would go back and watch that fight. No way in hell was it a blow out and in no way did Cotto dominate. In a rematch I would def wager on Mosely.

4. Mosely has a real record that is very established. Not too many Urangos in recent time with him.

I actually don't think if you had to ask anyone who the man to beat at WW, it would really be that close of a question. Hands down, Sugar Shane is the man.

Cotto beat Mosley and Cotto beat #3 Clottey. Just these facts merit debate. As an analogy, remember Ring Magazine ranks Donaire ahead of Vic because Donaire beat Vic even though Vic has beat the better competition since that fight, which isn't even the case here.

Cotto's loss to Margarito, at least to an extent, can be chalked up to the fact Margarito was hitting him with bricks. Mosley didn't fight a Margarito with bricks.

We aren't talking about p4p. We are talking about at welterweight. Cotto has beat almost every single top ten welterweight with the exception of Collazo and Berto. Mosley has only beat Collazo.

It is definitely a close call even if Mosley gets the nod.

neither did cotto..he just got his ass whooped by pressure and will...

Two pictures: One with his hand wrap around cotto, the second is the ref kenny bayless raising margo's hand, clearly showing that if he had plaster around his hand then bayless must've bet on him...

cotto just got his ass whooped, valiant effort, but just had the wrong game plan. No cheating..even if he did cheat, which is clear that he didn't at least not against cotto....he still took all of cotto's shots and walked through them, he broke cotto's will.


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I know you already have your mind made up but don't be offended. Lets just be factual. The pictures you link are of Margarito hugging Cotto. How would Cotto know there is plaster in the wraps from Margarito's palms being on his back Second picture, the ref is holding Margarito's wrist. What does that prove Try to see what we are seeing about your argument. In the Cotto fight there was nothing to be suspicious of so who is even looking for plaster? Let alone feeling for it. No one in either of these pics is feeling the knuckles and the plaster would be in the wraps on the knuckle part. You do realize that your pics prove nothing now, right? Actually, its makes your argument look silly by showing those pics and then saying proof. And remember before the Mosley bout, Nazeem Richardson had to feel and pat the knuckles of Margarito's wraps to know there was something not right. Also, Margarito already had one of his hands pass the inspection and checked off by the Commission by the time Richardson even got in the Margarito locker room. So Margarito is no slouch at getting away. Those wraps obviously were not visually catchable. And one more thing my man. How could anyone else know there was plaster in Margarito's handwraps when Margarito didn't even know?

[JonesJrMayweather]

agree with all of it. especailly the words in bold. Cotto has taken all of the toughest fights at welter and no else has done this. i dont see how anybody cant be a fan of Cotto he takes on the toughest fights possible. im pretty sure if Paul Williams was still at 147 Cotto would be the only one who has the balls to take him on. anyways i think its pretty close but i would probably have shane 1st. but thats only because Margacheato beat Cotto (which is a questionable win now ) who was the #1 welter then Mosley beat Margacheato who was the #1 welter.

IMO shane and cotto should fight for the ring welterweight title

Cotto beat Mosley and Cotto beat #3 Clottey. Just these facts merit debate. As an analogy, remember Ring Magazine ranks Donaire ahead of Vic because Donaire beat Vic even though Vic has beat the better competition since that fight, which isn't even the case here.

Cotto's loss to Margarito, at least to an extent, can be chalked up to the fact Margarito was hitting him with bricks. Mosley didn't fight a Margarito with bricks.

We aren't talking about p4p. We are talking about at welterweight. Cotto has beat almost every single top ten welterweight with the exception of Collazo and Berto. Mosley has only beat Collazo.

It is definitely a close call even if Mosley gets the nod.

neither did cotto..he just got his ass whooped by pressure and will...

Two pictures: One with his hand wrap around cotto, the second is the ref kenny bayless raising margo's hand, clearly showing that if he had plaster around his hand then bayless must've bet on him...

cotto just got his ass whooped, valiant effort, but just had the wrong game plan. No cheating..even if he did cheat, which is clear that he didn't at least not against cotto....he still took all of cotto's shots and walked through them, he broke cotto's will.


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I know you already have your mind made up but don't be offended. Lets just be factual. The pictures you link are of Margarito hugging Cotto. How would Cotto know there is plaster in the wraps from Margarito's palms being on his back Second picture, the ref is holding Margarito's wrist. What does that prove Try to see what we are seeing about your argument. In the Cotto fight there was nothing to be suspicious of so who is even looking for plaster? Let alone feeling for it. No one in either of these pics is feeling the knuckles and the plaster would be in the wraps on the knuckle part. You do realize that your pics prove nothing now, right? Actually, its makes your argument look silly by showing those pics and then saying proof. And remember before the Mosley bout, Nazeem Richardson had to feel and pat the knuckles of Margarito's wraps to know there was something not right. Also, Margarito already had one of his hands pass the inspection and checked off by the Commission by the time Richardson even got in the Margarito locker room. So Margarito is no slouch at getting away. Those wraps obviously were not visually catchable. And one more thing my man. How could anyone else know there was plaster in Margarito's handwraps when Margarito didn't even know?

Those are very good points and the pic doesn't really prove anything. But what I do know is that there isn't any proof that he did use plaster against cotto or anyone else prior to the mosley fight.

[Majesty]

neither did cotto..he just got his ass whooped by pressure and will...

Two pictures: One with his hand wrap around cotto, the second is the ref kenny bayless raising margo's hand, clearly showing that if he had plaster around his hand then bayless must've bet on him...

cotto just got his ass whooped, valiant effort, but just had the wrong game plan. No cheating..even if he did cheat, which is clear that he didn't at least not against cotto....he still took all of cotto's shots and walked through them, he broke cotto's will.


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I know you already have your mind made up but don't be offended. Lets just be factual. The pictures you link are of Margarito hugging Cotto. How would Cotto know there is plaster in the wraps from Margarito's palms being on his back Second picture, the ref is holding Margarito's wrist. What does that prove Try to see what we are seeing about your argument. In the Cotto fight there was nothing to be suspicious of so who is even looking for plaster? Let alone feeling for it. No one in either of these pics is feeling the knuckles and the plaster would be in the wraps on the knuckle part. You do realize that your pics prove nothing now, right? Actually, its makes your argument look silly by showing those pics and then saying proof. And remember before the Mosley bout, Nazeem Richardson had to feel and pat the knuckles of Margarito's wraps to know there was something not right. Also, Margarito already had one of his hands pass the inspection and checked off by the Commission by the time Richardson even got in the Margarito locker room. So Margarito is no slouch at getting away. Those wraps obviously were not visually catchable. And one more thing my man. How could anyone else know there was plaster in Margarito's handwraps when Margarito didn't even know?

Those are very good points and the pic doesn't really prove anything. But what I do know is that there isn't any proof that he did use plaster against cotto or anyone else prior to the mosley fight.

People tried to say Cotto's face went from fine to completely busted up in a round or something and how it was "physically impossible" without the help of plaster..

Well I just watched a fight with Ortiz on Saturday where his face went from fine to busted up in a single round where he had a huge gash and also a huge lump on the bottom of his eye almost shutting it. All that stemmed from one punch and I doubt his opponent was using plaster