Andre Berto Pulls Off The Upset Shane Mosley Is Getting Overrated.

[ICB]

Im sorry but i am getting a bit tired of hearing, well Manny Pacquiao could fight Shane Mosley after the Floyd Mayweather Jr fight. People are already writing off Andre Berto's chances which is unfair IMO.

Andre Berto has a very good jab, something Shane Mosley has alot of trouble with. Miguel Cotto basically won vs Shane Mosley by just using his jab, so did Vernon Forrest so did Winky Wright.

Andre Berto is as fast as Shane Mosley and fresher IMO, Andre Berto has some underrated technical boxing skills. And he has some good pop to his punches.

The only real weakness i see with Andre Berto, is that he squares himself up too much on the inside. But i think he did improve on that somewhat vs Juan Urango.

I admit Andre Berto hasn't really beaten an elite name yet, but that doesn't mean he isn't capable of doing so.

Shane Mosley is getting overrated too much IMO, he didn't look good in the Ricardo Mayorga fight and only fought in spurts, he looked like a finished fighter in that fight until the last round.

He looked good in the Antonio Margarito fight, but couldn't that be down to being a perfect stylistic match up for Shane Mosley. Plus Antonio Margarito not being as good without handwraps ? where was the thudding punching power like he had in the Golden Johnson, Miguel Cotto, fights ?

I didn't think Shane Mosley looked that good in that Miguel Cotto fight either, he was totally outboxed and only won rounds when Miguel Cotto cruised in the later rounds.

As for Luis Collazo fight well i thought Luis Collazo was being effective with his left hand, until he broke his best weapon his left hand. Now i know we can't say for certain how the fight would of gone, even if Luis Collazo hadn't had broke his left hand. But surely it would of been more competitive IMO it would have.

And now for Fernando Vargas fights, well he won the 2nd fight in good fashion. But Fernando Vargas was total crap in the 2nd fight, and was a finished fighter.

His last good performance was in the 1st fight, he looked real good and may of been winning the fight before his eye got completely closed. He looked really up for that fight, but then seemed to lack fire in the 2nd fight and looked completely gone from the 1st bell.

Im not trying to discredit Shane Mosley, i do like him as a fighter. He's one of my favorite modern fighters, but do think people overrate him on here just for the win over Antonio Margarito, i remember people were saying how bad he looked in the Ricardo Mayorga fight including me, now people are saying his back ? i don't buy it.

Andre Berto by close MD controlling Shane Mosley behind his jab.

[brucelee]

Im sorry but i am getting a bit tired of hearing, well Manny Pacquiao could fight Shane Mosley after the Floyd Mayweather Jr fight. People are already writing off Andre Berto's chances which is unfair IMO.

Andre Berto has a very good jab, something Shane Mosley has alot of trouble with. Miguel Cotto basically won vs Shane Mosley by just using his jab, so did Vernon Forrest so did Winky Wright.

Andre Berto is as fast as Shane Mosley and fresher IMO, Andre Berto has some underrated technical boxing skills. And he has some good pop to his punches.

The only real weakness i see with Andre Berto, is that he squares himself up too much on the inside. But i think he did improve on that somewhat vs Juan Urango.

I admit Andre Berto hasn't really beaten an elite name yet, but that doesn't mean he isn't capable of doing so.

Shane Mosley is getting overrated too much IMO, he didn't look good in the Ricardo Mayorga fight and only fought in spurts, he looked like a finished fighter in that fight until the last round.

He looked good in the Antonio Margarito fight, but couldn't that be down to being a perfect stylistic match up for Shane Mosley. Plus Antonio Margarito not being as good without handwraps ? where was the thudding punching power like he had in the Golden Johnson, Miguel Cotto, fights ?

I didn't think Shane Mosley looked that good in that Miguel Cotto fight either, he was totally outboxed and only won rounds when Miguel Cotto cruised in the later rounds.

As for Luis Collazo fight well i thought Luis Collazo was being effective with his left hand, until he broke his best weapon his left hand. Now i know we can't say for certain how the fight would of gone, even if Luis Collazo hadn't had broke his left hand. But surely it would of been more competitive IMO it would have.

And now for Fernando Vargas fights, well he won the 2nd fight in good fashion. But Fernando Vargas was total crap in the 2nd fight, and was a finished fighter.

His last good performance was in the 1st fight, he looked real good and may of been winning the fight before his eye got completely closed. He looked really up for that fight, but then seemed to lack fire in the 2nd fight and looked completely gone from the 1st bell.

Im not trying to discredit Shane Mosley, i do like him as a fighter. He's one of my favorite modern fighters, but do think people overrate him on here just for the win over Antonio Margarito, i remember people were saying how bad he looked in the Ricardo Mayorga fight including me, now people are saying his back ? i don't buy it.

Andre Berto by close MD controlling Shane Mosley behind his jab.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but no one's talking about Pac vs Shane here. Pac is planning to retire after he fights Mayweather.

I haven't heard of anyone discounting Andre Berto either.

[ICB]

Im sorry but i am getting a bit tired of hearing, well Manny Pacquiao could fight Shane Mosley after the Floyd Mayweather Jr fight. People are already writing off Andre Berto's chances which is unfair IMO.

Andre Berto has a very good jab, something Shane Mosley has alot of trouble with. Miguel Cotto basically won vs Shane Mosley by just using his jab, so did Vernon Forrest so did Winky Wright.

Andre Berto is as fast as Shane Mosley and fresher IMO, Andre Berto has some underrated technical boxing skills. And he has some good pop to his punches.

The only real weakness i see with Andre Berto, is that he squares himself up too much on the inside. But i think he did improve on that somewhat vs Juan Urango.

I admit Andre Berto hasn't really beaten an elite name yet, but that doesn't mean he isn't capable of doing so.

Shane Mosley is getting overrated too much IMO, he didn't look good in the Ricardo Mayorga fight and only fought in spurts, he looked like a finished fighter in that fight until the last round.

He looked good in the Antonio Margarito fight, but couldn't that be down to being a perfect stylistic match up for Shane Mosley. Plus Antonio Margarito not being as good without handwraps ? where was the thudding punching power like he had in the Golden Johnson, Miguel Cotto, fights ?

I didn't think Shane Mosley looked that good in that Miguel Cotto fight either, he was totally outboxed and only won rounds when Miguel Cotto cruised in the later rounds.

As for Luis Collazo fight well i thought Luis Collazo was being effective with his left hand, until he broke his best weapon his left hand. Now i know we can't say for certain how the fight would of gone, even if Luis Collazo hadn't had broke his left hand. But surely it would of been more competitive IMO it would have.

And now for Fernando Vargas fights, well he won the 2nd fight in good fashion. But Fernando Vargas was total crap in the 2nd fight, and was a finished fighter.

His last good performance was in the 1st fight, he looked real good and may of been winning the fight before his eye got completely closed. He looked really up for that fight, but then seemed to lack fire in the 2nd fight and looked completely gone from the 1st bell.

Im not trying to discredit Shane Mosley, i do like him as a fighter. He's one of my favorite modern fighters, but do think people overrate him on here just for the win over Antonio Margarito, i remember people were saying how bad he looked in the Ricardo Mayorga fight including me, now people are saying his back ? i don't buy it.

Andre Berto by close MD controlling Shane Mosley behind his jab.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but no one's talking about Pac vs Shane here. Pac is planning to retire after he fights Mayweather.

I haven't heard of anyone discounting Andre Berto either.

Make a poll and see how many people on this site, think Andre Berto will win. Infact im the only one i've seen that thinks Andre Berto would win.

[brucelee]

Im sorry but i am getting a bit tired of hearing, well Manny Pacquiao could fight Shane Mosley after the Floyd Mayweather Jr fight. People are already writing off Andre Berto's chances which is unfair IMO.

Andre Berto has a very good jab, something Shane Mosley has alot of trouble with. Miguel Cotto basically won vs Shane Mosley by just using his jab, so did Vernon Forrest so did Winky Wright.

Andre Berto is as fast as Shane Mosley and fresher IMO, Andre Berto has some underrated technical boxing skills. And he has some good pop to his punches.

The only real weakness i see with Andre Berto, is that he squares himself up too much on the inside. But i think he did improve on that somewhat vs Juan Urango.

I admit Andre Berto hasn't really beaten an elite name yet, but that doesn't mean he isn't capable of doing so.

Shane Mosley is getting overrated too much IMO, he didn't look good in the Ricardo Mayorga fight and only fought in spurts, he looked like a finished fighter in that fight until the last round.

He looked good in the Antonio Margarito fight, but couldn't that be down to being a perfect stylistic match up for Shane Mosley. Plus Antonio Margarito not being as good without handwraps ? where was the thudding punching power like he had in the Golden Johnson, Miguel Cotto, fights ?

I didn't think Shane Mosley looked that good in that Miguel Cotto fight either, he was totally outboxed and only won rounds when Miguel Cotto cruised in the later rounds.

As for Luis Collazo fight well i thought Luis Collazo was being effective with his left hand, until he broke his best weapon his left hand. Now i know we can't say for certain how the fight would of gone, even if Luis Collazo hadn't had broke his left hand. But surely it would of been more competitive IMO it would have.

And now for Fernando Vargas fights, well he won the 2nd fight in good fashion. But Fernando Vargas was total crap in the 2nd fight, and was a finished fighter.

His last good performance was in the 1st fight, he looked real good and may of been winning the fight before his eye got completely closed. He looked really up for that fight, but then seemed to lack fire in the 2nd fight and looked completely gone from the 1st bell.

Im not trying to discredit Shane Mosley, i do like him as a fighter. He's one of my favorite modern fighters, but do think people overrate him on here just for the win over Antonio Margarito, i remember people were saying how bad he looked in the Ricardo Mayorga fight including me, now people are saying his back ? i don't buy it.

Andre Berto by close MD controlling Shane Mosley behind his jab.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but no one's talking about Pac vs Shane here. Pac is planning to retire after he fights Mayweather.

I haven't heard of anyone discounting Andre Berto either.

Make a poll and see how many people on this site, think Andre Berto will win. Infact im the only one i've seen that thinks Andre Berto would win.

LOL. And you can now hear what people are thinking?

[ICB]

Forgive me if I'm wrong but no one's talking about Pac vs Shane here. Pac is planning to retire after he fights Mayweather.

I haven't heard of anyone discounting Andre Berto either.

Make a poll and see how many people on this site, think Andre Berto will win. Infact im the only one i've seen that thinks Andre Berto would win.

LOL. And you can now hear what people are thinking?

WTF are you talking about i said im the only one, that i have personally "seen" pick Andre Berto over Shane Mosley, where the hell did you get "hear" from ?

[brucelee]

Make a poll and see how many people on this site, think Andre Berto will win. Infact im the only one i've seen that thinks Andre Berto would win.

LOL. And you can now hear what people are thinking?

WTF are you talking about i said im the only one, that i have personally "seen" pick Andre Berto over Shane Mosley, where the hell did you get "hear" from ?

Read yours post buddy. I've highlighted it for you.

[Taeth]

Im sorry but i am getting a bit tired of hearing, well Manny Pacquiao could fight Shane Mosley after the Floyd Mayweather Jr fight. People are already writing off Andre Berto's chances which is unfair IMO.

Andre Berto has a very good jab, something Shane Mosley has alot of trouble with. Miguel Cotto basically won vs Shane Mosley by just using his jab, so did Vernon Forrest so did Winky Wright.

Andre Berto is as fast as Shane Mosley and fresher IMO, Andre Berto has some underrated technical boxing skills. And he has some good pop to his punches.

The only real weakness i see with Andre Berto, is that he squares himself up too much on the inside. But i think he did improve on that somewhat vs Juan Urango.

I admit Andre Berto hasn't really beaten an elite name yet, but that doesn't mean he isn't capable of doing so.

Shane Mosley is getting overrated too much IMO, he didn't look good in the Ricardo Mayorga fight and only fought in spurts, he looked like a finished fighter in that fight until the last round.

He looked good in the Antonio Margarito fight, but couldn't that be down to being a perfect stylistic match up for Shane Mosley. Plus Antonio Margarito not being as good without handwraps ? where was the thudding punching power like he had in the Golden Johnson, Miguel Cotto, fights ?

I didn't think Shane Mosley looked that good in that Miguel Cotto fight either, he was totally outboxed and only won rounds when Miguel Cotto cruised in the later rounds.

As for Luis Collazo fight well i thought Luis Collazo was being effective with his left hand, until he broke his best weapon his left hand. Now i know we can't say for certain how the fight would of gone, even if Luis Collazo hadn't had broke his left hand. But surely it would of been more competitive IMO it would have.

And now for Fernando Vargas fights, well he won the 2nd fight in good fashion. But Fernando Vargas was total crap in the 2nd fight, and was a finished fighter.

His last good performance was in the 1st fight, he looked real good and may of been winning the fight before his eye got completely closed. He looked really up for that fight, but then seemed to lack fire in the 2nd fight and looked completely gone from the 1st bell.

Im not trying to discredit Shane Mosley, i do like him as a fighter. He's one of my favorite modern fighters, but do think people overrate him on here just for the win over Antonio Margarito, i remember people were saying how bad he looked in the Ricardo Mayorga fight including me, now people are saying his back ? i don't buy it.

Andre Berto by close MD controlling Shane Mosley behind his jab.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but no one's talking about Pac vs Shane here. Pac is planning to retire after he fights Mayweather.

I haven't heard of anyone discounting Andre Berto either.

Make a poll and see how many people on this site, think Andre Berto will win. Infact im the only one i've seen that thinks Andre Berto would win.

I've been backing Berto, I think his skills match up very well against Mosley. I just have to wonder about his defensive abilities and his chin which MOsley will definitely test.

I would also like to note that I believe the Collazo Berto fought was a completely different person than the guy who faced Mosley, he was far better prepared, in better shape(came in the ring 6 pounds lighter) he looked faster, threw way more punches, and was a lot more willing to trade.

[Master]

Shane is not over rated you berk he is an ATG. Berto can never achieve what Shane has done in his career. Berto can win but please do not under play Shane, it does a dis-service to Berto should he pull it off.

[ICB]

Shane is not over rated you berk he is an ATG. Berto can never achieve what Shane has done in his career. Berto can win but please do not under play Shane, it does a dis-service to Berto should he pull it off.

Hold on a minute when did i say Shane Mosley wasn't an ATG ? all im saying is that he's getting overrated lately not his career overall, because of his win vs Antonio Margarito, yet those same people were saying he looked shot vs Ricardo Mayorga.

No need to call me names trust me i know all about Shane Mosley, and have seen pretty much all his title fights aswell as his early fights, so trying to tell me he's an ATG isn't necessary i can assure you. I think you misunderstand what im getting at.

[skel1983]

I think if anything you over rate Berto, I think he is one of the most over rated fighters out there, depends how the year out has effected Mosley, but if Berto wins which is a possibility I think it's more to do with Shane's inactivity.

Berto should be fighting Collazo he has unfinished business there.

[JazMerkin]

Well, I've been saying in any thread that mentioned it that I think that Berto beats him, you're free to go back & check Ice. If he avoids fighting in spurts so much & builds a lead against Shane early, I think he can do it. Shane often takes his time to get into a fight these days & as good as he looked against Margarito, that was also his night to prove everyone wrong. I think he may lack the motivation against Berto, but in all honesty the reason I think Berto will win is because you can never predict how he's going to fight. He makes adjustments & gets a little better every time. I'm by no means discounting Shane, I see it as a 50/50 fight, but I just have a feeling Berto surprises a lot of people.

[Kev]

Well, I've been saying in any thread that mentioned it that I think that Berto beats him, you're free to go back & check Ice. If he avoids fighting in spurts so much & builds a lead against Shane early, I think he can do it. Shane often takes his time to get into a fight these days & as good as he looked against Margarito, that was also his night to prove everyone wrong. I think he may lack the motivation against Berto, but in all honesty the reason I think Berto will win is because you can never predict how he's going to fight. He makes adjustments & gets a little better every time. I'm by no means discounting Shane, I see it as a 50/50 fight, but I just have a feeling Berto surprises a lot of people.

I'm not mad keen on Berto but generally in boxing when two top fighters meet, a young champion or the heir elect versus the old champ, it seems the young guy wins more often than not.

I think Mosely is a better fighter but if I was a gambling man I'd go with the law of probability I guess and take Berto, even though I think Mosely will win, if that makes any sense at all.

Finally I know Berto claims to have God on his side, but Mosely has juice on his, and juice is generally a more reliable ally during a fight.

[Spicoli]

Berto is stuck in between styles far too often to be called a sound technical fighter..he literally cannot make up his mind at times and forces mistakes.Anyone that says Mosley was shot in with Mayorga is off their rocker.I still believe that fight was all about Mosley making a statement,getting rough and rugged with Mayorga going into the Margarito fight.I dont see Berto with the endurance,resilience,strength and experience of either of those two.Once Mosley catches Berto falling in and looking to clinch afterwords on those stiff legs I expect Mosley to carve him up badly and take him to neighborhoods he has never come close to walking through.

[Hunter]

When Berto steped up to fringe world class opposition he was less than spectacular.....He beat Collazo in a razor thin decision and boxed circles around Urango, a jr welter that is slow as molasis and predictable but was there for the taking.

Mosley has beat Vargas (KOx2), Collazo (dominated), Cotto (Narrow Loss), Mayorga (KO), Margarito (KO).......

HUGE difference in competition just looking at each of last 5 fights......

I think Mosley is fighting with new purpose and is going to beat Berto by TKO.....