Could prime Foreman have beaten Wladimir?

[X]

Wlad is a big, strong, well conditioned guy with good technique ..... but he fights the same way all the time and his punch resistance is very poor.

I think that Wlad would have outpointed the old, fat George ..... just pumped out the jab for 12 rounds and kept George off balance with a few straight rights to keep his guessing.

Young Foreman is a different matter altogether, a big, strong bully with a truly vicious temperament. Young Foreman would have jumped on Wlad from the first bell, he would have the centre of the ring and he would be pushing Wlad backwards. Young Foreman was a monstrous hitter, he could hit your arms and damage them!

IMO .... Young Prime Foreman ambushes Wlad from the very first bell, I see a Frazier type fight here but I'm not sure Wlad would get up as many times as Smokin Joe did.

[Hulk]

You guys must be kidding, Wladimir Klitschko is deadly cautious against fighters like Sultan Ibragimov. And you think he beats a prime George Foreman ? no way no how.

Wladimir Klitschko has a weak chin, he has suspect stamina. And the only reason he is improved. Is because he fights so cautiously, which i got nothing against.

But then again he's only allowed to get away with that, because there's not real Heavyweight's around to test him.

A prime George Foreman in the early 70's, had underrated speed. And was quite loose suprisingly, if you watch his fight vs George Chuvalo you'll see what i mean. It certainly shocked me when i see it.

And if anyone says George Foreman can't KO Wladimir Klitschko, late on because he had suspect stamina in the 70's and was too wild. Then i suggest you look at his win over a good boxer Gregorio Peralta, he stopped him in the 10th round, and Gregorio Peralta was a good boxer.

And eventually George Foreman would catch up to Wladimir Klitschko, there's no way Wladimir Klitschko would be able to fight the entire fight. Not getting hit with one of George Foreman's bombs, and it would only take one flush punch from George Foreman.

lol

Thank you. At least we agree on this.

This whole thread and question is a fucking joke and an insult to any true boxing fan.

Foreman would KO Wladimir every day of the week and twice on Sundays. And he'd be able to do it quite easily.

Jesus Christ we've had crap heavyweights for so long people have forgotten what REAL heavyweights really were.

[El Kabong]

[Foreman would KO Wladimir every day of the week and twice on Sundays. And he'd be able to do it quite easily.

Jesus Christ we've had crap heavyweights for so long people have forgotten what REAL heavyweights really were.

#1 No he wouldn't because it's not easy to KO the guy, just because Corrie Sanders swinging like a fucking maniac was able to catch him and Purrity and Brewster were able to withstand beat downs doesn't mean it's "easy to do" because if it was so fucking simple someone else would have already done it again. I'm sick to fucking death of hearing about the 3 God damned losses...."Wlad has no chin, he can't take a punch, he never let's his hands go" waaaaaah waaaaah waaah...will you bastards ever shut the fuck up with that bullshit? Does anyone remember the last time Wlad got hurt with a punch? VS Sam Peter probably back in 2005 or maybe does anyone remember the last time Wlad ran out of gas in a fight? Maybe vs Lamon Brewster in 2004....those problems may still exist to some extent or another but since 2005 Wladimir hasn't gotten hurt, he hasn't gassed out, he hasn't looked out of place in the ring...I'm not so sure he's lost over 4 rounds in the 8 fights he's had since 2005. But oooooh no we have to keep beating the drum about what a bad chin he has and how bad his stamina is.

#2 The problem with the heavyweight division more than any other division is that stupid mother fuckers like you(all due respect) always look back at what we had instead of looking at what we have. And the point of that is as boxing fans looking at the heavyweight division we're hypercritical....people see Wladimir Klitschko and nobody wants to talk about the 53 wins and 47 KO's everyone ONLY focuses on 3 losses and them being 3 stoppages and looking at a fighter that way isn't fair, it doesn't do his record any justice and no one gives him any true credit they give him the backhanded compliments like "He's the best of a bad division" and anyone that says that can fuck off because I'm sick of fucking reading it.


You guys do LOVE make this an impossible to win argument by first attacking Wlad's weaknesses as a fighter and then attacking his competition, but PRIME George Foreman got schooled by Jimmy Young. You guys bring up Frazier...Joe Frazier was MADE TO ORDER for Foreman, he stands in front of you bobs up and down right into hooks and uppercuts, and at that point in time only fought with one arm....great fighter yes but the style was all wrong to fight Foreman. If you are going to fight Foreman you want to keep him at distance, move, and pick your shots and if he ever gets in range you tie him up....what better fighter not in the Top 10 All-Time Great Heavyweights could you pick to run that gameplan?

....but I guess you bastards will continue to go around and give no credit to Wlad and his accomplishments and call yourselves "boxing fans" and be total assholes, keep up the good work you give us all a great name being intolerant whiney little punks who long for the days of Riddick Bowe, Evander Holyfield, and Lennox Lewis where the same little group of assholes was saying the same shit then as they are right now "Remember when Larry Holmes was fighting....man he was a great heavyweight, Evander Holyfield is a nobody, he's too small, he's boring, he can't knock anyone out".......



I'm not at odds with anyone saying Foreman would win, or win alot but people that just brush this off like it's similar to Foreman fighting Peter McNeely or Kevin McBride ...that's a fucking outrage and that's why I ranted.



let it be known, I fucking hate you bastards


Have a nice day

[boxer dude]

You guys must be kidding, Wladimir Klitschko is deadly cautious against fighters like Sultan Ibragimov. And you think he beats a prime George Foreman ? no way no how.

Wladimir Klitschko has a weak chin, he has suspect stamina. And the only reason he is improved. Is because he fights so cautiously, which i got nothing against.

But then again he's only allowed to get away with that, because there's not real Heavyweight's around to test him.

A prime George Foreman in the early 70's, had underrated speed. And was quite loose suprisingly, if you watch his fight vs George Chuvalo you'll see what i mean. It certainly shocked me when i see it.

And if anyone says George Foreman can't KO Wladimir Klitschko, late on because he had suspect stamina in the 70's and was too wild. Then i suggest you look at his win over a good boxer Gregorio Peralta, he stopped him in the 10th round, and Gregorio Peralta was a good boxer.

And eventually George Foreman would catch up to Wladimir Klitschko, there's no way Wladimir Klitschko would be able to fight the entire fight. Not getting hit with one of George Foreman's bombs, and it would only take one flush punch from George Foreman.

lol

Thank you. At least we agree on this.

This whole thread and question is a fucking joke and an insult to any true boxing fan.

Foreman would KO Wladimir every day of the week and twice on Sundays. And he'd be able to do it quite easily.

Jesus Christ we've had crap heavyweights for so long people have forgotten what REAL heavyweights really were.

could not agree more Hulk

[El Kabong]

could not agree more Hulk

....oh please do go on, I wish to hear the tales of the olden days where heavyweight Champions never lost, never got hurt, never got knocked down, never ran out of gas, and never got outboxed but they fought the hands down greatest fighters of all time and beat them but in beating them they never took away the glory of their fallen foes.


Explain to me this logic please....do you think guys like Miguel Angel Paez and Terry Sorrell and Scott LeDoux and Jose Roman could hang with Wladimir Klitschko? Do you think Chuvalo could? Do you think Frazier could?

....I'm not trying to say Wladimir is a top 10 all time heavyweight, I'm not trying to say anything like that but for you guys to continue this bullshit acting like he's not even a challenge to anyone from the past eras.....you're just being fucking foolish. Who was 6'7, 243 pounds, with KO power AND world class boxing skill back then? NO-FREAKING-BODY that's who!

We may as well say "John L Sullivan was much better than Foreman, I mean look how he fought, look at his record, AND he fought bare knuckled, AND they drank whiskey between rounds instead of water AND blah blah blah blah".....the FACT is Wladimir has lost 3 times 1 early in his career, and two more times nearly back to back which he eventually rebounded from and he's been dominant ever since. But I'm sure you guys will just go back and focus on those losses, forgetting all about Jimmy Young and him beating George Foreman or Foreman being dropped by Ron Lyle who more than likely didn't punch as hard as Wlad.....but that's cool you guys just go about your merry ignorant ways

[milmascaras1]

physically, wladimir certainly has the weapons to beat a prime foreman but like ICB said, he would be way too cautious to fight someone as powerful and dangerous as foreman. my guess is if he wouldn't get caught with anything big he would probably win a decision by using his jab all night and holding whenever foreman got close to him. but one big mistake by wladimir and it would have been over for him as foreman would have made him pay dearly.

[piye]

This is silly. no way does Wlad go the whole fight without getting caught by big George, and the minute big George catches him flush this fight is over.

[Jimmy G-Force]

This is silly. no way does Wlad go the whole fight without getting caught by big George, and the minute big George catches him flush this fight is over.

Exactly. Foreman would have taken his head clean off his shoulders. Big George in his prime was a fucking beast. The way he lifted Frazier off his feet with that uppercut was incredible and still hard to comprehend.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

A. to the Q.
Yes.

[Althugz]

This is silly. no way does Wlad go the whole fight without getting caught by big George, and the minute big George catches him flush this fight is over.

Agreed. I was surprised at how many people said George wouldn't win this at the start of the thread. Big George will land at least once and that's all it would take.

[Lance Uppercut]

The Hardest puncher in the history of boxing vs a fighter with a notoriously fragile chin. Great thread.

Here is a better hypothetical: could a prime Ali beat Samuel Peter?

[DaxxKahn]

A young Foreman was a vicious fighter with an even more vicious punch...He had a decent chin that could withstand a few jabs to get inside with some shots that would land like sandbags on Wlads chin,,,,

I like Wlad as a fighter but a young Foreman was a diffrent beast all together....

Wlad could not get in and jab to a win he would have to FIGHT!!!!! and in a fight I have to go with George by KO

[KananKrus]

The Hardest puncher in the history of boxing vs a fighter with a notoriously fragile chin. Great thread.

This just about summed it up!


In addition, as big as Klitschko is, George Foreman probably won't be able to lift him with those viscious signature uppercuts, but knock Wladimir out, with any power shot, wouldn't be a hard task for Big George.

[denilson200]

I was just thinking about this today, and baring a big lucky punch I just don't see Foreman standing a chance. I think Wlad would use good movement and his jab and totally keep Foreman at bay. In his day George was so big, but in comparison he is two inches shorter and 25 pounds lighter than Wladimir, and as strong as he was I don't see with his lack of footwork how he would have the power to bull through Wlad's jab.

Are you serious ? If a prime Foreman fought Wlad. Wlad would have two chance SLIM and NONE........and SLIM just left town !!! Let's break it down here. A 45 year old Foreman won the world title. A 43 year old Foreman fought a peak Holyfield and went the distance with him. So even when Foreman was way past his best he was still able to mix it with the best of there day. So given these facts one can only shudder in awe as to how good he must have been when he was 25 and as a side note. How good must have Ali been to beat him and not only that but knockout him out (Foremans only knockout loss and knockdown) and Ali was 32 when he beat Foreman. So how good must have Ali been when was 25 ?

Anyway I digress. Getting back to the subject. I think the question should be NOT if Wlad would have beaten a peak Foreman (Because that's just silly) a more accurate question would be if Wlad would have beaten a peak Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, Tony Tucker or Frank Bruno because that's more his level.

[Zilla]

I was just thinking about this today, and baring a big lucky punch I just don't see Foreman standing a chance. I think Wlad would use good movement and his jab and totally keep Foreman at bay. In his day George was so big, but in comparison he is two inches shorter and 25 pounds lighter than Wladimir, and as strong as he was I don't see with his lack of footwork how he would have the power to bull through Wlad's jab.

Are you serious ? If a prime Foreman fought Wlad. Wlad would have two chance SLIM and NONE........and SLIM just left town !!! Let's break it down here. A 45 year old Foreman won the world title. A 43 year old Foreman fought a peak Holyfield and went the distance with him. So even when Foreman was way past his best he was still able to mix it with the best of there day. So given these facts one can only shudder in awe as to how good he must have been when he was 25 and as a side note. How good must have Ali been to beat him and not only that but knockout him out (Foremans only knockout loss and knockdown) and Ali was 32 when he beat Foreman. So how good must have Ali been when was 25 ?

Anyway I digress. Getting back to the subject. I think the question should be NOT if Wlad would have beaten a peak Foreman (Because that's just silly) a more accurate question would be if Wlad would have beaten a peak Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, Tony Tucker or Frank Bruno because that's more his level.

So your argument is because Foreman beat Moorer and went the distance with Holyfield then he would have beaten Klitschko, a fighter who is taller, bigger and stronger than either. I would say smarter than what Moorer was that night too considering he didn't listen to his corner and Wlad always listens to Steward. Foreman wasn't infallible and the elder version was completely different than the younger considering what he gained in ring smarts he lost in reflexes and mobility. Wlad would test Foreman's chin after the 2nd round or so with the straight right so Foreman definitely wouldn't just be able to walk in. The version that beat Sam Peter is a lot more polished now and if Sam were in his prime Wlad would easily dismantle him. Everybody has off nights and that was Klitschkos as he was adjusting to a new style instead of straight up brawling until the other guy dropped or he did.