I am F**KING ashamed of some people here and their Valero comments!!!!

[ElTerribleMorales]

You're a serious guy Daxx.

I mean I would disagree that finding humor in this makes you as bad or worse than someone who KILLED HIS WIFE. I get the concept of exaggerating to make a point but yeah, KILLING YOUR WIFE is worse than making tasteless jokes IMO. To each his own I guess.

Your right I do find it just as bad...Because what type of person finds Humor in another's tragedy...

What if this was your family wise ass? Be a whole loot different huh? But because this is a guy who was famous this is open season...

Your the guy that laughs at an old lady who falls on the sidewalk right?

The fact you don't see how wrong it is say's what about you? The fact you put a under the post says what about you?

I don't expect everyone to think as harshly as I do but fact you see this as low class tells me low class is your thing

What are you on about now Daxx? Fucking hell you're a head case sometimes. I never once have laughed at the situation, made any jokes about it and I certainly don't laugh at old women who fall in the street.

I have no idea what this: "but fact you see this as low class tells me low class is your thing" even means.

I don't think making jokes is as bad as murder. Period. That doesn't mean I've made jokes about it. But rant on if it makes you feel better.

not necessarily you, but go into the other thread and you'll see plenty cracking tasteless jokes, fact is this has hit home to some of us, me included, and if someone can actually find humor in a tragedy like this well it doesn't really speak kindly about them at all

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Ughhh,

Look, I cracked no jokes, nor do I find it humorus in any respect but some of you people need to come off your moral high horses.

I'm friggin gagging at my computer...

If I yack on my keyboard I'm gonna be pissed.

[Oggie]

I have to say I really thought better of some people here due to the way they have posted over time...Seemed like decent people....(As decent of an opinion you can get of someone over the internet I guess)..

This whole Valero thing is a tragedy....First it is sad that a professional fighter killed his wife...A mother of children,,,the Daughter of 2 hard working people...A sister...

I mean MAN that is some tragic tragic shit....

There is NO excuse for what happened..NONE I mean Alcohol played a big part in this and possibly other things unknown to us..

There is no forgiving Valero for what he did...But to add to the tragedy this man hung himself...He obviously knew what he did was wrong...He obviously had remorse to the point he could not bear....

These kids have not only lost a Mother murdered by their Father but they will now have to live with the fact their Father committed suicide......

There is NOTHING GOOD ABOUT THIS AND NO JUSTICE CAME FROM VALEROS DEATH!!!! NO ONE IS RELIEVED IN HIS FAMILY I AM SURE OR HIS WIFES BY WHAT HE DID TO HIMSELF....

I mean shit regardless of what happened this man is ALSO someones son...Someones Father.....

I read shit on the other threads about...Hope he kills himself...Good he killed himself...

The we have ASSHOLES MAKING JOKES LIKE

"Valero murders next opponent, then chokes under pressure."

WHAT A FUCKING SCUMBAG!!!!!

YOU ARE AS BAD IF NOT WORSE THEN VALERO BECAUSE YOU FIND HUMOR IN THIS!!!! WHAT IS SO FUCKING FUNNY!!!!!! IF YOU WERE IN FRONT OF ME I WOULD CHOKE YOU!!!!!

I am not going to call anyoner out and mention their names on the LOW CLASS comments made by them...they know who they are and anyone can look for the post themselves if they are that curious but FUCK man..

I fail to see the humor in 2 people dead one murdered the other by their own hand leaving families to suffer the not only loss of them but the indignities of this being publicized world wide....

It is a sad sad day not for boxing but in general....

But that is FUNNY!!!!....It was Cool and tough to post shit like I hope he dies etc......

I hope this never happens to one of you FUCK HEADS...And if GOD FORBID you do have to endure some tragedy like this..BECAUSE I WOULD WISH THIS ON NO ONE!!!!!!! I hope you never have to read comments like these...hear comments like these or be publicly humiliated the way these people are right now....

AND IF the person was that bad to the point they deserve no sympathy not for what they did but just for being human beings..One who was obviously tormented by demons through addiction or maybe some sort of mental disability (we don't know) I would at least feel a bit of empathy for the families and not use this as a way to amuse myself or try to be the forum joker hoping for some rep for my scumbag of a joke!!!


This type of behavior is something reserved for child molesters and murderers or children
I feel bad for your families!!!

Exactly man, I pointed this out in the thread about his suicide, that some members are being very quick to slam the guy without knowing all the facts (I can see I've been met with criticism, but I'm not bothering to reply at the risk of starting an unnecessary sh*tstorm in there). As I say, we don't know him personally, all we know is what comes through the media and his in ring character. It's impossible to make a character assessment solely on those insights... Hell, some psychologists can't even make character assessments on people they sit down and talk to on a regular basis for years.

What Valero did was wrong, nobody can deny that. A young woman is dead by his hand and that fact will not change. BUT, Valero is a guy who suffered severe trauma to his head in the past and has continued to get hit in the head ever since that happened. Now, no matter what way you twist that one up, it is an extremely worrying situation. There is a high possibility that he has not been of sound mind in recent times... then again he may be fine, but the fact is, we should not judge one way or another. Saying the guy deserved to die, that he should go to hell etc etc... It's just as bad as applauding his actions. Potential brain injuries should not be taken lightly!

As someone who has studied Neuropsychology, I know only too well the tragic results that can come about as a result of someone who suffers trauma to the head. It reminded me of a story my professor once told me about a guy who was perfectly fine until one day getting hit by a car, resulting in brain injuries and a downward spiral of deteriorating mental health that would eventually lead to him setting fire to his house, killing himself, his Mother and his sister all in one go.

I'm not saying for certain that Edwin was in the same state of mind, but the fact is we don't know either way. Like I said, brain injuries are as complex as it gets.

Lets try to keep our cool people.

[Andre]

IF YOU WERE IN FRONT OF ME I WOULD CHOKE YOU!!!!!

We all have to keep close reigns on what we think or eventually circumstances can bring them out of us for real.

From my point of view Velero became obsessed, then was maybe even possessed: The stages can be seen.
He couldnt watch what he was thinking any longer and his own story took him over.
Through his lack of compassion towards others. His demon won, nurtured an internal story to blame all his pains onto someone else. Then the story took him over and made it his story and history.

Happens alot when our minds can no longer reel in our own emotions we search outside for the cause and then we blame.

You have to let some things just go Daxx.

All people react in different ways some can only deal with it by allowing themselves to search for a funny side.

Others go into depression, others get drunk,others get obsessed by it and have to know every inch of it.

Finding wrong in others is the real issue here, I think it is the root of what caused him to do what he did. If we blame our pains on external causes we can remain victims of them. If we say instead that we are allowing external things to effect us (then we get our power back to be able to do something about our position in it). Theres a big difference in those two ways and none of us are taught them. Which is wrong ! So Im off to kill a few parents and teachers...

No Im not, Im going to remain very calm and smile at the obvious trap I could of fallen into and not join the millions in the world that do.

[Kev]

IF YOU WERE IN FRONT OF ME I WOULD CHOKE YOU!!!!!

We all have to keep close reigns on what we think or eventually circumstances can bring them out of us for real.

From my point of view Daniel Velero became obsessed, then was maybe even possessed: The stages can be seen.
He couldnt watch what he was thinking any longer and his own story took him over.
Through his lack of compassion towards others. His demon won, nurtured an internal story to blame all his pains onto someone else. Then the story took him over and made it his story and history.

Happens alot when our minds can no longer reel in our own emotions we search outside for the cause and then we blame.

You have to let some things just go Daxx.

All people react in different ways some can only deal with it by allowing themselves to search for a funny side.

Others go into depression, others get drunk,others get obsessed by it and have to know every inch of it.

Finding wrong in others is the real issue here, I think it is the root of what caused Daniel to do what he did. If we blame our pains on external causes we can remain victims of them. If we say instead that we are allowing external things to effect us (then we get our power back to be able to do something about our position in it). Theres a big difference in those two ways and none of us are taught them. Which is wrong ! So Im off to kill a few parents and teachers...

No Im not, Im going to remain very calm and smile at the obvious trap I could of fallen into and not join the millions in the world that do.

If anyone gives you positive rep for this, whilst mocking my own insightful posting earlier I will dispair of this forum. All you did was repeat my post but change his name to Daniel I'm guessing to create some psuedo religious metaphor

[Andre]

IF YOU WERE IN FRONT OF ME I WOULD CHOKE YOU!!!!!

We all have to keep close reigns on what we think or eventually circumstances can bring them out of us for real.

From my point of view Daniel Velero became obsessed, then was maybe even possessed: The stages can be seen.
He couldnt watch what he was thinking any longer and his own story took him over.
Through his lack of compassion towards others. His demon won, nurtured an internal story to blame all his pains onto someone else. Then the story took him over and made it his story and history.

Happens alot when our minds can no longer reel in our own emotions we search outside for the cause and then we blame.

You have to let some things just go Daxx.

All people react in different ways some can only deal with it by allowing themselves to search for a funny side.

Others go into depression, others get drunk,others get obsessed by it and have to know every inch of it.

Finding wrong in others is the real issue here, I think it is the root of what caused Daniel to do what he did. If we blame our pains on external causes we can remain victims of them. If we say instead that we are allowing external things to effect us (then we get our power back to be able to do something about our position in it). Theres a big difference in those two ways and none of us are taught them. Which is wrong ! So Im off to kill a few parents and teachers...

No Im not, Im going to remain very calm and smile at the obvious trap I could of fallen into and not join the millions in the world that do.

If anyone gives you positive rep for this, whilst mocking my own insightful posting earlier I will dispair of this forum. All you did was repeat my post but change his name to Daniel I'm guessing to create some psuedo religious metaphor

Just fukkin with your head Bilbo .
I think thats the demons name that took him over.

[Dark Lord Al]

I have to say I really thought better of some people here due to the way they have posted over time...Seemed like decent people....(As decent of an opinion you can get of someone over the internet I guess)..

This whole Valero thing is a tragedy....First it is sad that a professional fighter killed his wife...A mother of children,,,the Daughter of 2 hard working people...A sister...

I mean MAN that is some tragic tragic shit....

There is NO excuse for what happened..NONE I mean Alcohol played a big part in this and possibly other things unknown to us..

There is no forgiving Valero for what he did...But to add to the tragedy this man hung himself...He obviously knew what he did was wrong...He obviously had remorse to the point he could not bear....

These kids have not only lost a Mother murdered by their Father but they will now have to live with the fact their Father committed suicide......

There is NOTHING GOOD ABOUT THIS AND NO JUSTICE CAME FROM VALEROS DEATH!!!! NO ONE IS RELIEVED IN HIS FAMILY I AM SURE OR HIS WIFES BY WHAT HE DID TO HIMSELF....

I mean shit regardless of what happened this man is ALSO someones son...Someones Father.....

I read shit on the other threads about...Hope he kills himself...Good he killed himself...

The we have ASSHOLES MAKING JOKES LIKE

"Valero murders next opponent, then chokes under pressure."

WHAT A FUCKING SCUMBAG!!!!!

YOU ARE AS BAD IF NOT WORSE THEN VALERO BECAUSE YOU FIND HUMOR IN THIS!!!! WHAT IS SO FUCKING FUNNY!!!!!! IF YOU WERE IN FRONT OF ME I WOULD CHOKE YOU!!!!!

I am not going to call anyoner out and mention their names on the LOW CLASS comments made by them...they know who they are and anyone can look for the post themselves if they are that curious but FUCK man..

I fail to see the humor in 2 people dead one murdered the other by their own hand leaving families to suffer the not only loss of them but the indignities of this being publicized world wide....

It is a sad sad day not for boxing but in general....

But that is FUNNY!!!!....It was Cool and tough to post shit like I hope he dies etc......

I hope this never happens to one of you FUCK HEADS...And if GOD FORBID you do have to endure some tragedy like this..BECAUSE I WOULD WISH THIS ON NO ONE!!!!!!! I hope you never have to read comments like these...hear comments like these or be publicly humiliated the way these people are right now....

AND IF the person was that bad to the point they deserve no sympathy not for what they did but just for being human beings..One who was obviously tormented by demons through addiction or maybe some sort of mental disability (we don't know) I would at least feel a bit of empathy for the families and not use this as a way to amuse myself or try to be the forum joker hoping for some rep for my scumbag of a joke!!!


This type of behavior is something reserved for child molesters and murderers or children
I feel bad for your families!!!

Although i havent made any jokes about this situation , you need to calm down before you get ulcers .

[HattonTheHammer]

couple of kids woke up yesterday to find they had no parents anymore

That is what should be the primary concern for everyone involved right now. Valero`s dead and he dies a viscious murderer who will never have any respect within the boxing world

RIP to the wife and hope to god she made peace

[ono]

I have to say I really thought better of some people here due to the way they have posted over time...Seemed like decent people....(As decent of an opinion you can get of someone over the internet I guess)..

This whole Valero thing is a tragedy....First it is sad that a professional fighter killed his wife...A mother of children,,,the Daughter of 2 hard working people...A sister...

I mean MAN that is some tragic tragic shit....

There is NO excuse for what happened..NONE I mean Alcohol played a big part in this and possibly other things unknown to us..

There is no forgiving Valero for what he did...But to add to the tragedy this man hung himself...He obviously knew what he did was wrong...He obviously had remorse to the point he could not bear....

These kids have not only lost a Mother murdered by their Father but they will now have to live with the fact their Father committed suicide......

There is NOTHING GOOD ABOUT THIS AND NO JUSTICE CAME FROM VALEROS DEATH!!!! NO ONE IS RELIEVED IN HIS FAMILY I AM SURE OR HIS WIFES BY WHAT HE DID TO HIMSELF....

I mean shit regardless of what happened this man is ALSO someones son...Someones Father.....

I read shit on the other threads about...Hope he kills himself...Good he killed himself...

The we have ASSHOLES MAKING JOKES LIKE

"Valero murders next opponent, then chokes under pressure."

WHAT A FUCKING SCUMBAG!!!!!

YOU ARE AS BAD IF NOT WORSE THEN VALERO BECAUSE YOU FIND HUMOR IN THIS!!!! WHAT IS SO FUCKING FUNNY!!!!!! IF YOU WERE IN FRONT OF ME I WOULD CHOKE YOU!!!!!

I am not going to call anyoner out and mention their names on the LOW CLASS comments made by them...they know who they are and anyone can look for the post themselves if they are that curious but FUCK man..

I fail to see the humor in 2 people dead one murdered the other by their own hand leaving families to suffer the not only loss of them but the indignities of this being publicized world wide....

It is a sad sad day not for boxing but in general....

But that is FUNNY!!!!....It was Cool and tough to post shit like I hope he dies etc......

I hope this never happens to one of you FUCK HEADS...And if GOD FORBID you do have to endure some tragedy like this..BECAUSE I WOULD WISH THIS ON NO ONE!!!!!!! I hope you never have to read comments like these...hear comments like these or be publicly humiliated the way these people are right now....

AND IF the person was that bad to the point they deserve no sympathy not for what they did but just for being human beings..One who was obviously tormented by demons through addiction or maybe some sort of mental disability (we don't know) I would at least feel a bit of empathy for the families and not use this as a way to amuse myself or try to be the forum joker hoping for some rep for my scumbag of a joke!!!


This type of behavior is something reserved for child molesters and murderers or children
I feel bad for your families!!!

Surely that would make you just as bad as....

[jolz]

may his troubled soul find peace....