If Martinez is the best fighter in the sport how about fighting Ward, Kessler, Froch,

[Pavlik]

I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.

Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

hmn Martinez too small to fight a super middle but Pac big enough to fight a good sized middle

[Ant Live]

and all the other top 168 pound fighters? Since it is said in the boxing world with Floyd's indefinite hiatus because of legal problems and Pacquiao is cherry picking fighters, they are not worthy to be considered the best in the sport and have been supplanted by Martinez. And since Martinez has no challengers at 160 and he is hoping that those two would jump more weight classes to fight him, but it isn't happening because those 2 aren't taking the risks. Well how about a move up to fight the top 168 pound fighters? Like Andre Ward, Kessler, Froch, Bute, etc. Surely it's much better than trying to make a fight with a 1 hit wonder like Ishida or hoping to fight Chavez Jr. or reality tv boxer Manfredo?

So how about it? Shouldn't the best in the sport test himself against the best from another weight class? Since his weight class is devoid of challenges? And the 168 pound class is one of the deepest in the sport right now.

Martinez weight class is 160(middle)!!! If Ward or any of the others want to make that fight, then they should meet in the middle. I'm not a fan of catch weight. But for Martinez to jump weight to 169, he can be putting himself at a disadvantage. Fair fighting is my point. Will Ward or any of the other come down to 160? Better yet, can they without half killing themself?
Martinez is willing to come down to 154 to make a big fight, but no one is speaking his name. Cotto rather wait and fight Jcc Jr and stay on the shelf. Pacman said he will never go back to 150(154). Floyd is retired. Strum don't want it. Angulo don't want it. DLH don't want it for Saul. The only person that want it, no one want to see hm get it. Paul Williams, At least until he get his status back up.
Bottom line, if a suppermiddle weight want to fight Martinez, they should meet in the middle(164). Whomever it will be, I won't expect any of them to blow Martinez out!!!

[generalbulldog]

and all the other top 168 pound fighters? Since it is said in the boxing world with Floyd's indefinite hiatus because of legal problems and Pacquiao is cherry picking fighters, they are not worthy to be considered the best in the sport and have been supplanted by Martinez. And since Martinez has no challengers at 160 and he is hoping that those two would jump more weight classes to fight him, but it isn't happening because those 2 aren't taking the risks. Well how about a move up to fight the top 168 pound fighters? Like Andre Ward, Kessler, Froch, Bute, etc. Surely it's much better than trying to make a fight with a 1 hit wonder like Ishida or hoping to fight Chavez Jr. or reality tv boxer Manfredo?

So how about it? Shouldn't the best in the sport test himself against the best from another weight class? Since his weight class is devoid of challenges? And the 168 pound class is one of the deepest in the sport right now.

Martinez weight class is 160(middle)!!! If Ward or any of the others want to make that fight, then they should meet in the middle. I'm not a fan of catch weight. But for Martinez to jump weight to 169, he can be putting himself at a disadvantage. Fair fighting is my point. Will Ward or any of the other come down to 160? Better yet, can they without half killing themself?
Martinez is willing to come down to 154 to make a big fight, but no one is speaking his name. Cotto rather wait and fight Jcc Jr and stay on the shelf. Pacman said he will never go back to 150(154). Floyd is retired. Strum don't want it. Angulo don't want it. DLH don't want it for Saul. The only person that want it, no one want to see hm get it. Paul Williams, At least until he get his status back up.
Bottom line, if a suppermiddle weight want to fight Martinez, they should meet in the middle(164). Whomever it will be, I won't expect any of them to blow Martinez out!!!

Martinez said he cannot make 154 anymore, so anyone that wants to challenge him from a lower weight class has to fight at 160.

So Pacquiao, Mayweather, Cotto and everyone else from the lower weights has to fight Martinez at 160 to be a fair fight but for Martinez to fight at 168 against Ward, Froch, Kessler, Bute is unfair?

[Ant Live]

and all the other top 168 pound fighters? Since it is said in the boxing world with Floyd's indefinite hiatus because of legal problems and Pacquiao is cherry picking fighters, they are not worthy to be considered the best in the sport and have been supplanted by Martinez. And since Martinez has no challengers at 160 and he is hoping that those two would jump more weight classes to fight him, but it isn't happening because those 2 aren't taking the risks. Well how about a move up to fight the top 168 pound fighters? Like Andre Ward, Kessler, Froch, Bute, etc. Surely it's much better than trying to make a fight with a 1 hit wonder like Ishida or hoping to fight Chavez Jr. or reality tv boxer Manfredo?

So how about it? Shouldn't the best in the sport test himself against the best from another weight class? Since his weight class is devoid of challenges? And the 168 pound class is one of the deepest in the sport right now.

Martinez weight class is 160(middle)!!! If Ward or any of the others want to make that fight, then they should meet in the middle. I'm not a fan of catch weight. But for Martinez to jump weight to 169, he can be putting himself at a disadvantage. Fair fighting is my point. Will Ward or any of the other come down to 160? Better yet, can they without half killing themself?
Martinez is willing to come down to 154 to make a big fight, but no one is speaking his name. Cotto rather wait and fight Jcc Jr and stay on the shelf. Pacman said he will never go back to 150(154). Floyd is retired. Strum don't want it. Angulo don't want it. DLH don't want it for Saul. The only person that want it, no one want to see hm get it. Paul Williams, At least until he get his status back up.
Bottom line, if a suppermiddle weight want to fight Martinez, they should meet in the middle(164). Whomever it will be, I won't expect any of them to blow Martinez out!!!

Martinez said he cannot make 154 anymore, so anyone that wants to challenge him from a lower weight class has to fight at 160.

So Pacquiao, Mayweather, Cotto and everyone else from the lower weights has to fight Martinez at 160 to be a fair fight but for Martinez to fight at 168 against Ward, Froch, Kessler, Bute is unfair?

Martinez said he's willing to go down at a catchweight to fight Manny and/or Cotto.

[MMASUX]

How about we keep Pac's name the fuck out of this thread? The question was martinez vs the SMW, yet every thread has to have Pac or Floyd's name brought into it. Anyways, as much as i hate catch weights, i would like to see Martinez vs Ward or Froch. There is absolutely no one for him to fight at 160 or 154, so this seems like a good idea to me.

[Spicoli]

I'm more interested in cleaning out the division but in the era of division bouncing and grabbing for network names prob won't happen. Froch, Ward and company have there own schtuff to sort out. We have some serious quality talent emerging now and should sit back and soak it in. Too much of a microwave mentality.

[miron_lang]

and all the other top 168 pound fighters? Since it is said in the boxing world with Floyd's indefinite hiatus because of legal problems and Pacquiao is cherry picking fighters, they are not worthy to be considered the best in the sport and have been supplanted by Martinez. And since Martinez has no challengers at 160 and he is hoping that those two would jump more weight classes to fight him, but it isn't happening because those 2 aren't taking the risks. Well how about a move up to fight the top 168 pound fighters? Like Andre Ward, Kessler, Froch, Bute, etc. Surely it's much better than trying to make a fight with a 1 hit wonder like Ishida or hoping to fight Chavez Jr. or reality tv boxer Manfredo?

So how about it? Shouldn't the best in the sport test himself against the best from another weight class? Since his weight class is devoid of challenges? And the 168 pound class is one of the deepest in the sport right now.

Did you know that Sergio Martinez's last 5 opponents before 2008 have a record of like 71 wins and 78 losses . Not sure from what fighter it starts but its there.