Haye has shocking stamina

[Fenster]

lol ross. You always come out with some seriously distorted shit.

1. Haye did purposely go 12 rounds with Abdoul. He was getting constant criticism for not being able to handle the distance, so picked a fighter to go 12 with. He was even counting the amount of punches he threw per round. Yes it was an utter shit glorified sparring session. But it was done on purpose.

2. Fragomeni sat on his arse because Haye was blasting the living shit out of him. His corner were in the ring to stop the fight before the ref did.

Lets be real.

If he fought Abdoul on purpose to prove or improve his stamina obviously even Haye was admitting he has shit stamina. The fight itself there was barely a punch thrown, so Haye was trying to pace himself because he knew he has shit stamina. I remember Jim Watt comenting on how fighting at such a slow relaxed pace is proving nothing. Like someone mentioned about the sprint training. Most mediocre fitness level fighters could piss that pace but made fight a harder pace and they would tire. Hayes opponent list apart from glass jaw macaranelli have all been 35 and over and nearing the end of their careers after KO's or retirement. He has been able to get away with hands low and a week chin. He hasnt fought anyone sharp for a long time.

Yeah I agree. I slated the fuck out of him for doing it at the time. Going the distance for the sake of it meant nothing. However, it was done on purpose. And subsequently Haye has scored late stoppages and a points win.

So the stamina issue shouldn't be used as an excuse, should he lose

[Dropanuke]

Now Eddie chambers is quick and uses combos and if he couldn't land then haye won't land?? Chambers also threw and landed more than haye ever has and wlad was still winning!!

[ninjaspy3]

Now Eddie chambers is quick and uses combos and if he couldn't land then haye won't land?? Chambers also threw and landed more than haye ever has and wlad was still winning!!

Eddie's punches don't have much power, so Wlad didn't have much to worry about.
Also Eddie stays planted in one spot too long.

Bad comparison I think.

[El Kabong]

Yeah when you go all bandy legged when Jean Marc Mormek clips you then you just may have a slight problem with a true heavyweight with 49 KO's out of 55 wins.

....But that's using common damn sense something people seldom use when their country's reputation in a sport is at stake.

[Hornfinger]

How is a countries reputation in a sport at stake?

Honestly lyle you wanna hope that it isn't because after the amount of yankie heavy weights we've seen come to the ring in embarrassing shape just to take a one sided beating, your country would have no reputation in the heavy weight division for the next 100 years or so.

Here's a bit of common sense for ya.

The fight is on saturday night. None of the posts about this fight on this or any other forum mean JACK SHIT. You can spout all the previous fight statistics you want, but it don't mean shit, other than to maybe highlight who the favourite/underdog is, but when did that ever win a fight? All that matters is what happens saturday.

previous fights/wins/ko's etc didn't do tyson any good against Buster for example.

If Haye loses he loses. He went into the back garden of a bigger more expierenced guy in the best shape he could be in (which is something no yankie heavy weight can say) and took his shot. No shame their. The only embarrasment Haye will have is because of the talk he did in the build up, but then I doubt he'd care anyway, he's a multimillionaire and he'd have boxed his last fight, and it would in no way reflect england, not that I care about this shitty country and it's disgusting inhabitants anyway.

But if haye wins......... Some people are gonna look really, really fucking stupid.

If only haye had the stamina wlad showed against brewster.......

[AdamGB]

Yeah when you go all bandy legged when Jean Marc Mormek clips you then you just may have a slight problem with a true heavyweight with 49 KO's out of 55 wins.

....But that's using common damn sense something people seldom use when their country's reputation in a sport is at stake.

Yeah...

At least Brewster, Purity, Sanders, Peter and DaVarryl Williamson etc etc were heavy weights.

[0james0]

It's the biggest fight of his life and he's been training for months, I doubt he's going to be hanging after 4 rounds.

More of a problem I think (something no one has mentioned) is the scaring David has above his right eye and on that eye lid. Wlad will be pumping that jab there all night and I think Haye will get cut open.

[El Kabong]

You guys are really cute, you're trying to paint this nice little "No Way We Can Lose" picture on one hand its "If Wlad wins then he was supposed to. He's bigger on his home turf, and vastly more experienced" and on the other hand its "The WBA title holder is Wlad's most dangerous threat EVER" ....nice scenario guys, good luck with it.

I'm being realistic, sure I've been a fan of Wlad since whenever, but the FACTS are that the WBA title holder has done fuck all in the heavyweight division to earn this shot except talk for over 2 fucking years....I personally think he's skilled, but how can you accurately judge when he has been fighting stiffs (yeah HE'S the one fighting the stiffs! Not Wlad). I worry that this is an Audley Harrison style hype job and well....I just hope the guy shows up to fight instead of looking to cash in that big retirement check and that my friends is a legitimate worry that I have as a fan of BOXING.

[AdamGB]

You guys are really cute, you're trying to paint this nice little "No Way We Can Lose" picture on one hand its "If Wlad wins then he was supposed to. He's bigger on his home turf, and vastly more experienced" and on the other hand its "The WBA title holder is Wlad's most dangerous threat EVER" ....nice scenario guys, good luck with it.

I'm being realistic, sure I've been a fan of Wlad since whenever, but the FACTS are that the WBA title holder has done fuck all in the heavyweight division to earn this shot except talk for over 2 fucking years....I personally think he's skilled, but how can you accurately judge when he has been fighting stiffs (yeah HE'S the one fighting the stiffs! Not Wlad). I worry that this is an Audley Harrison style hype job and well....I just hope the guy shows up to fight instead of looking to cash in that big retirement check and that my friends is a legitimate worry that I have as a fan of BOXING.

Who said 'no way he can lose'? I can think of two good reasons... both of them belonging to a 245lb, 6 foot 7 boxer!

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

okay I'm on my phone so can't but can anyone who reads Adam's post about conditioning cool click the shit out of his post.

It's not hard to do and takes only a second. Thank you.

[El Kabong]

I'll just go ahead and throw this out before anyone else does....

"Awwwww but he broke his hand"

[0james0]

Bruno was a monster though, so much muscle to lug around.

There is no way he expects this fight to be easy, he is a pretty smart guy and is obsessed with boxing, watches it loads and loves for it. Because of that he will be making sure he is in the best condition possible, even if his stamina was bad before, this should be the best he's ever been.

Watching Groves get such a massive win and I bet Groves was an animal in the gym, that will have set a standard for him and Booth and he'll know how hard he has to train. I think he will be at his absolute peak going into this fight.

Both fighters will really want it, Wlad has probably not looked this good for years. Wait to you see him at the weigh in, I bet he'll look conditioned as fuck. Both generally healthy athletes at all times now anyway, so I don't think fitness will be a factor at all. Or stamina, or cardio or any of the other forms of exercise I never knew existed!

The main questions will be answered within the first minute, has Haye froze, can he take a right hand?

If he comes out up for it and takes a few rights to face ok, it could get interesting.

You can't knock Haye for how he builds a fight. The whole curiosity about his tactic. To be fair Wlad has played a healthy part in his half of the promotion too. But it's been a decent build up.

[hitmanhatton]

Bruno was a monster though, so much muscle to lug around.

There is no way he expects this fight to be easy, he is a pretty smart guy and is obsessed with boxing, watches it loads and loves for it. Because of that he will be making sure he is in the best condition possible, even if his stamina was bad before, this should be the best he's ever been.

Watching Groves get such a massive win and I bet Groves was an animal in the gym, that will have set a standard for him and Booth and he'll know how hard he has to train. I think he will be at his absolute peak going into this fight.

Both fighters will really want it, Wlad has probably not looked this good for years. Wait to you see him at the weigh in, I bet he'll look conditioned as fuck. Both generally healthy athletes at all times now anyway, so I don't think fitness will be a factor at all. Or stamina, or cardio or any of the other forms of exercise I never knew existed!

The main questions will be answered within the first minute, has Haye froze, can he take a right hand?

If he comes out up for it and takes a few rights to face ok, it could get interesting.

You can't knock Haye for how he builds a fight. The whole curiosity about his tactic. To be fair Wlad has played a healthy part in his half of the promotion too. But it's been a decent build up.

yeah thats my point mate, saying someone knows the best way to improve stamina based on their physique is missing the point

there is a reason athletes get smaller as the distances/duration go up

[15rounder]

You guys are really cute, you're trying to paint this nice little "No Way We Can Lose" picture on one hand its "If Wlad wins then he was supposed to. He's bigger on his home turf, and vastly more experienced" and on the other hand its "The WBA title holder is Wlad's most dangerous threat EVER" ....nice scenario guys, good luck with it.

I'm being realistic, sure I've been a fan of Wlad since whenever, but the FACTS are that the WBA title holder has done fuck all in the heavyweight division to earn this shot except talk for over 2 fucking years....I personally think he's skilled, but how can you accurately judge when he has been fighting stiffs (yeah HE'S the one fighting the stiffs! Not Wlad). I worry that this is an Audley Harrison style hype job and well....I just hope the guy shows up to fight instead of looking to cash in that big retirement check and that my friends is a legitimate worry that I have as a fan of BOXING.

Who said 'no way he can lose'? I can think of two good reasons... both of them belonging to a 245lb, 6 foot 7 boxer!

I have to agree with both of the comments above. This fight is a hype job. Haye wants a payday and he's getting it. Wlad will tear him apart. This is no contest, no brainer.

[CommunistKevin]

First off. At least here in the states if you are a competitive distance runner you run long distance to build up endurance. While you do periodic sprint training to help with actual muscle strength. Over ninety percent is spent on just distance running to help endurance. Boxers do the same thing when training here. Cardio by definition means extended periods of excercise which is much more effective for endurance then short burst excercises which are intended for strength.