The truth and facts about The career of Muhammad Ali

[frankenfrank]

Dude. And I thought I wasted alot of time over analyzing shit.

Missing sc's right about now

i do not understand what u meant

Roids were not banned till the 80s.

I thought sugar ray was the greatest

IDK whether he used Roids or just testosterone injections which is what i typed , and he probably wasn't d only 1 . I read that steroids were available as PEDs in sports since d 1940s or 1950s .

It is true that Ali is one of the (i won't say most but) freely overrated boxers ever.

I adore him but have to concede...

I adore Corrie Sanders but i haven't listed him in my top 30 p4p nor in my top 30 heavyweights of all times yet .
Corrie Sanders was a rather clean fighter and everything ppl wished and hoped young Cautios Play was , immense handspeed , mobile , agile , effective at it , but did not get as many lucky breaks by a criminal trainer .
Has any1 seen me call him d greatest , let alone 1 of d 20 greatest ?
I love watching him fight , he was exceptional , but he had his flaws and his resume insufficient 4 it .


But what do u adore Cautious Play 4 ?
could it b it is due 2 his cautious play just in case ?

[THE THIRD MAN]

Well, it's getting a bit silly now isn't it?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Dude. And I thought I wasted alot of time over analyzing shit.

Missing sc's right about now

i do not understand what u meant

Roids were not banned till the 80s.

I thought sugar ray was the greatest

IDK whether he used Roids or just testosterone injections which is what i typed , and he probably wasn't d only 1 . I read that steroids were available as PEDs in sports since d 1940s or 1950s .

It is true that Ali is one of the (i won't say most but) freely overrated boxers ever.

I adore him but have to concede...

I adore Corrie Sanders but i haven't listed him in my top 30 p4p nor in my top 30 heavyweights of all times yet .
Corrie Sanders was a rather clean fighter and everything ppl wished and hoped young Cautios Play was , immense handspeed , mobile , agile , effective at it , but did not get as many lucky breaks by a criminal trainer .
Has any1 seen me call him d greatest , let alone 1 of d 20 greatest ?
I love watching him fight , he was exceptional , but he had his flaws and his resume insufficient 4 it .


But what do u adore Cautious Play 4 ?
could it b it is due 2 his cautious play just in case ?

Well to answer the question, he was a massive overachiever who upset the odds many times and fought long into a period where his athletic abilities had long wained and was forced to survive on wits, instinct and a rock solid chin.

Not only that but he was a massively prominent figure throughout 2 decades.

Only Joe Louis, Evander Holyfield and maybe now the Klitschkos had that kind of prominence.

[armin]

This dude would probably give royal a run for his money...but then again royal's posts made me laugh

[chris6878]

Roids were not banned till the 80s.

I thought sugar ray was the greatest

IDK whether he used Roids or just testosterone injections which is what i typed , and he probably wasn't d only 1 . I read that steroids were available as PEDs in sports since d 1940s or 1950s .
[QUO


Yes testosterone injected into the body is classified as a steroid. Yes they were available since the 40s. Hitler used them on his perfect race. Athletes used it like a supplement.

[beenKOed]

Ali, that great American icon, was never my American icon. I didn't care for him from the beginning. He was a mean spirited man who disrespected other fighters, talked about them like they were trash, especially black fighters! Yeah, in my opinion he was a first class prick but I never, ever doubted his ability in the ring! If the Foreman fight doesn't convince you he was the best of his era, talking to you is a waste of time.

[Master]

Agreed about the boxing and it works 2 ways as people judge him negatively for his political activism. The point being that was Fraizier at his best 1971 and his left hooks landed flush on Ali’s jaw and he still got up. Boxing wise the man’s record is the greatest and no heavyweight can compare and I love Joe Louis but you have to credit Muhammad Ali. We lost some prime years from the man.

[frankenfrank]

My own entire posts in this thread deal purely on Ali inside d ring and have nothing 2 do with politics .
Now i m accused of taking a political stance 4 posting a purely boxaic material .
How cum no1 called me a racist yet ?

[Master]

My own entire posts in this thread deal purely on Ali inside d ring and have nothing 2 do with politics .
Now i m accused of taking a political stance 4 posting a purely boxaic material .
How cum no1 called me a racist yet ?

I never accused you of taking a political stance.

[Dark Lord Al]

My own entire posts in this thread deal purely on Ali inside d ring and have nothing 2 do with politics .
Now i m accused of taking a political stance 4 posting a purely boxaic material .
How cum no1 called me a racist yet ?

we didnt credit you with the intellect to know what the word ment.

[THE THIRD MAN]

The absurdity of the thread is almost beyond belief, 'Frankenfurter' talks of Ali as if he just suddenly appeared in 1964 out of the blue and nobody knew who he was, he probably did talk himself into a match with Liston, but he was an Olympic champion and that's significant enough to remind people that the next two Olympic champions also went on to win the World Heavyweight title. Ali was unbeaten at the time and Liston was like Godzilla in the ring, the fact that he won and then became the most famous sports personality in the world appears to be the source of much consternation. It's easy to be critical of Ali the boxer and Ali the man, he came along during the golden age of television where every statement he made, every opinion he had, every move he made was scrutinised and by many condemend. This did not faze him.
Ali the boxer was stripped of his title and had his livelyhood taken away from him at the peak of his career, tell me truthfully could Joe Frazier have beaten Ali in in 1967 or 1968? They most certainly would've have met in that time had Ali continued to fight. Ali returned and he fought Frazier in 1971 almost 4 years after being stripped of his title, he lost a decision, but was not disgraced, (have a close look at Joe Frazier's face after this fight) Joe Frazier was no mug. Ali was not the same fighter as he was in 1966, he then beat George Foreman in 1974 and Frazier in 1975. Ali fought the best out there at the time and he used different tactics to do it, he was a brilliant ring tactician. Where is this criticisim coming from? My only criticism of Ali is he should've retired after the Thriller In Manila.
Frankenfurter... you have no idea!