Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez calls out Sergio Martinez for May 4 showdown

[Abelardus]

Would this mean Martinez comes down to 154?

[beenKOed]

*Canelo would wipe the floor with Martinez... Martinez was faster than Chavez and confident... still got knocked down... Canelo is faster, stronger, younger, better... there is no scenario where Martinez wins.

I like both these guys and hope the fight happens, but I wish I could be as sure as you are about either one. Hope it happens.

[Rantcatrat]

*Canelo would wipe the floor with Martinez... Martinez was faster than Chavez and confident... still got knocked down... Canelo is faster, stronger, younger, better... there is no scenario where Martinez wins.

Canelo doesn't have the chin to withstand the 11 round beating that Martinez put on Junior. He's not stronger than Junior by any measure either.

[Kirkland Laing]

I can't see Golden Boy putting him in with an elite fighter for his next fight. I think he'll have one or two more against Kirkland/Angulo types to get him ready to step up. Meanwhile Martinez, Cotto, Mayweather all get older and more beatable.

You guys are never happy, first you want him to "step up", but when he does you complain that he's moving too fast.
Let me get this straight, now you think a steady but cautious advance is the way to go, right?
You can't have it both ways!

I'm not knocking Alvarez at all, I really like him and I'm looking forward to watching the rest of his career. I'm sure he wants to fight Martinez, Mayweather, Cotto and so on right now. Those are three enormous money PPV fights for everybody concerned.

But I don't think his promoters are going to risk it yet. Alvarez is a potential absolute goldmine for them and gradually giving him more seasoning before he hits elite level while at the same time letting the elite fighters get older and take more dings is the smart move for Golden Boy.

[Spicoli]

Would this mean Martinez comes down to 154?

If he's the one popping off for Martinez and wanting some status, he goes up to him.

[ElTerribleMorales]

*Canelo would wipe the floor with Martinez... Martinez was faster than Chavez and confident... still got knocked down... Canelo is faster, stronger, younger, better... there is no scenario where Martinez wins.

Canelo doesn't have the chin to withstand the 11 round beating that Martinez put on Junior. He's not stronger than Junior by any measure either.

doesnt hold a 20 lb weight advantage either

[Abelardus]

*Canelo would wipe the floor with Martinez... Martinez was faster than Chavez and confident... still got knocked down... Canelo is faster, stronger, younger, better... there is no scenario where Martinez wins.

Canelo doesn't have the chin to withstand the 11 round beating that Martinez put on Junior. He's not stronger than Junior by any measure either.

doesnt hold a 20 lb weight advantage either

But Canelo can box way better then Julio. Not saying he's win but I'm sure it'll be a competitive fight for both.

[Mars_ax]

May 4th is a long way off, so I don't take this seriously, although i'd love to see the fight, I believe Martinez schools the kid.

[IamInuit]

Let’s get real here. Alvarez knows full well that chances are Martinez will not be ready for a May date. In fact the chances are slim to none and slim just left the building. Martinez is talking about getting back into light training by April. I mean if you are going to wait for everyone to age out the least you could do is try one out when they are healthy.

Let’s have a look at Rojo’s last 10 opponents.

Jose Cotto- A career lightweight long past his best.

Luciano Cuello- Average at best.

Baldo- Would have been a decent win about 5 years ago.

Ndou- Ditto

Matt Hatton- Way out of his weight class and don’t be fooled by the ud. Had Hatton been able to crack an egg yolk never mind the shell Alvarez may have been in trouble several times in that fight.

Rhodes- A decent win but nothing to write home about

Gomez- Respect for the guy but by that time already a notch below gate keeper.

Cintron- A name sure but a fighter that has/had the mentality of a Med Fly.

Mosley- Again about 5 years past a time when he would have been able to put up a fight and in a weight class he has trouble with his entire career outside of the second Oscar fight.

Lopez- Ok a decent win over imo a credible guy that again was about two divisions out of his best weight class.

Has Alvarez even seen lateral movement and punch angles/selection close to Martinez at any point in his career? Has he ever fought a credible southpaw let alone one with the natural speed and ability of Sergio?

Besides, the only person Martinez would entertain coming down for in serious negotiations would be Floyd. And why should he consider it for Alvarez? He has more then paid his dues and is the Ring champ and probably world wide perceived champ at 160 which is also a weight Alvarez could make easily I might add. Alvarez on the other hand is another pampered pet and lets be honest paper champion. This is a classic empty call out.

Oscar should make a Chavez fight with his old buddy Bob in Mexico city.

[beenKOed]

Let’s get real here. Alvarez knows full well that chances are Martinez will not be ready for a May date. In fact the chances are slim to none and slim just left the building. Martinez is talking about getting back into light training by April. I mean if you are going to wait for everyone to age out the least you could do is try one out when they are healthy.

Let’s have a look at Rojo’s last 10 opponents.

Jose Cotto- A career lightweight long past his best.

Luciano Cuello- Average at best.

Baldo- Would have been a decent win about 5 years ago.

Ndou- Ditto

Matt Hatton- Way out of his weight class and don’t be fooled by the ud. Had Hatton been able to crack an egg yolk never mind the shell Alvarez may have been in trouble several times in that fight.

Rhodes- A decent win but nothing to write home about

Gomez- Respect for the guy but by that time already a notch below gate keeper.

Cintron- A name sure but a fighter that has/had the mentality of a Med Fly.

Mosley- Again about 5 years past a time when he would have been able to put up a fight and in a weight class he has trouble with his entire career outside of the second Oscar fight.

Lopez- Ok a decent win over imo a credible guy that again was about two divisions out of his best weight class.

Has Alvarez even seen lateral movement and punch angles/selection close to Martinez at any point in his career? Has he ever fought a credible southpaw let alone one with the natural speed and ability of Sergio?

Besides, the only person Martinez would entertain coming down for in serious negotiations would be Floyd. And why should he consider it for Alvarez? He has more then paid his dues and is the Ring champ and probably world wide perceived champ at 160 which is also a weight Alvarez could make easily I might add. Alvarez on the other hand is another pampered pet and lets be honest paper champion. This is a classic empty call out.

Oscar should make a Chavez fight with his old buddy Bob in Mexico city.

Read elsewhere that Canelo vs Martinez is BS.

[bestjabwins]

Alvarez may not have fought anybody elite yet, but IMO he is the real thing. At his peak I think he'll be better than Martinez was at his own. But as most posters say this is a little bit early for him to be sure of winning this particular fight.
At this point it would still be a good fight, and while the odds are in Martinez's favour, Alvarez will not be schooled like chavez jr and has more than a big punch going for him.

[Rantcatrat]

Alvarez may not have fought anybody elite yet, but IMO he is the real thing. At his peak I think he'll be better than Martinez was at his own. But as most posters say this is a little bit early for him to be sure of winning this particular fight.
At this point it would still be a good fight, and while the odds are in Martinez's favour, Alvarez will not be schooled like chavez jr and has more than a big punch going for him.

I'm convinced of Canelo's combination punching and the pop on his punches. Since Rigberto Alvarez hurt him, I'm not convinced of his chin. Actions speak louder than words and Canelo has faced smaller guys for a while.

[Master]

I can only see Sergio come down for Floyd or Pac Man, do not see him do it for Saul. Also do not see GBP risk him fight Sergio just yet as he has plenty of good fights at the weight already like the winner of Cotto/Trout.

[DavilaJones]

But here's why I think Martinez would win, watch Canelo vs Alfanzo Gomez and heck even a tiny Matthew Hatton and you'll see he'll just go to sleep for a round or two for no reason. I like him and I know he has room to grow but think of it this way

Martinez is faster, yes Canelo throws fast punches but he's a power puncher and he needs to set his foots down, Martinez on the other hand punches well on the move and as such he is 'faster' or i should perhaphs say more Agile.

Martinez is the bigger puncher, that I don't tihnk need much explanation.

Martinez Jabs....yup he jabs, this game's easy if you got a good jab.

[bestjabwins]

Alvarez may not have fought anybody elite yet, but IMO he is the real thing. At his peak I think he'll be better than Martinez was at his own. But as most posters say this is a little bit early for him to be sure of winning this particular fight.
At this point it would still be a good fight, and while the odds are in Martinez's favour, Alvarez will not be schooled like chavez jr and has more than a big punch going for him.

I'm convinced of Canelo's combination punching and the pop on his punches. Since Rigberto Alvarez hurt him, I'm not convinced of his chin. Actions speak louder than words and Canelo has faced smaller guys for a while.

I didn't know anything about him being hurt by rigoberto. When, what happened? I saw him get hurt against Cotto, and I thought he responded well. Martinez on the other hand doesn't respond that well to being hurt. He was hurt by Chavez and I was a nervous wreck from watching him leave his chin out and not tie up his opponent. He's wasn't as bad as Ricky Hatton when hurt but still.

you are totally right about his opponents. He is virtually neck and neck with floyd mayweather in terms of numbers of professional fights but he has not made an equivalent step up in opposition. I don't think he is picking on midgets a'la donaire, but your point stands about picking opponents who he out powers. If his chin is suspect then he would struggle with martinez in the unlikely event they fight this year.

I don't think Martinez is leagues ahead of Canelo. I do think Canelo needs to improve his foot and hand speed. The main thing he gets hit by is right hands which might be because he throws his left hook a little wide.