Questions re: Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s Legacy

[IamInuit]

Acelino Freites (1999-2002)
Joel Casemayor (same era)
Steve Johnson (same era)
Not sure who the writer is but the logic is flawed. Where Freitas and Casamayor are concerned it was because of timing more then anything else. Acelino was not known and Floyd was on his way to the Arum break away. In addition Orgs were well on their way of using the calendar in order to ensure certain fights could not happen and especially unifications. Much like they do now. I don’t think the Johnson fight was even thought about and Castillo had already beaten him. And imagine the style matchup. It would have been about as enjoyable as Byrd/Jones in their prime. I’d have to hit myself in the head with a ballpeen hammer just to watch it. The fight I wanted in that time frame that had a short window was Shane/Floyd. That would have been something in the 130/35 area.
Vivian Harris (2003-2005)
Kosta Tszyu (2003- 2005)
Who names their son Vivian? At any rate he was another hype job with a punch with the boxing skills of a log and had not done squat to meet Floyd. Chin like fly paper.
Zu was a matter of politics with conflicting broadcasters and no fault of either man. I wonder if the writer made the same notation on his view of Zu’s legacy.
Antonio Margarito (2006-2007)
In case anyone was not paying attention this is where the depth of Arum and Floyds hatred of each other gathered its own taste. How many Arum fighters has Floyd clashed with since he told him to go play in the traffic?
Miguel Cotto (2007-200
Cotto and his team have went public saying more or less that they were not ready for him and I suppose I could g get the quotes if need be. Floyd had to wait on Cotto to be a free agent.
Paul Williams (200
In 2008 Williams split with Quintana who was a borderline gate keeper and then moved to 160 pounds. Sure he beat Margarito a year previous but that’s it.
Winky Wright (2009)
You have got to be kidding me? Not only was Winky washed up in 2009 but he would have never even been a mention. He was out of Floyds weight class for almost a decade.
Manny Pacquiao (2010 - 2012)
Not going to beat the dead horse. They are both categorically insane for not doing it.
Sergio Martinez (2012)
How does a natural welter duck a natural middle?

Look forward to the response my friend. I think Floyds problem from a historians standpoint will be the time off. Smart sob from an economic standpoint cause he could have eliminated the crew he is about to cash in on.

You wrote that? That's actually pretty much on point. I agree with it

Well I never pasted it. Its my view having lived it.

[bradlee180]

For 11 years, he avoided almost all the elite prime fighters in all these weight classes he jumped to.

After the Castillo in 2002, it's all the way to 2007 and Hatton when next he'd fight an elite prime fighter. Then who for the next top prime elite fighter? Victor Ortiz in 2011? Victor with the Heart problem.

So many Great matches could've been made, but then if he fought the very best, he wouldn't be undefeated, not with so many Great talents that was there, and he couldn't accept the possibility of losing so he wouldn't sign for those fights. Not making all those Great matchups and not really rolling the dice is why he's good, but not Great.

Eventually he'll be like Roy Jones, taking loss after loss...

[IamInuit]

How do you even respond to such unadulterated bullshit?

[Violent Demise]

Acelino Freites (1999-2002)
Joel Casemayor (same era)
Steve Johnson (same era)
Not sure who the writer is but the logic is flawed. Where Freitas and Casamayor are concerned it was because of timing more then anything else. Acelino was not known and Floyd was on his way to the Arum break away. In addition Orgs were well on their way of using the calendar in order to ensure certain fights could not happen and especially unifications. Much like they do now. I don’t think the Johnson fight was even thought about and Castillo had already beaten him. And imagine the style matchup. It would have been about as enjoyable as Byrd/Jones in their prime. I’d have to hit myself in the head with a ballpeen hammer just to watch it. The fight I wanted in that time frame that had a short window was Shane/Floyd. That would have been something in the 130/35 area.
Vivian Harris (2003-2005)
Kosta Tszyu (2003- 2005)
Who names their son Vivian? At any rate he was another hype job with a punch with the boxing skills of a log and had not done squat to meet Floyd. Chin like fly paper.
Zu was a matter of politics with conflicting broadcasters and no fault of either man. I wonder if the writer made the same notation on his view of Zu’s legacy.
Antonio Margarito (2006-2007)
In case anyone was not paying attention this is where the depth of Arum and Floyds hatred of each other gathered its own taste. How many Arum fighters has Floyd clashed with since he told him to go play in the traffic?
Miguel Cotto (2007-200
Cotto and his team have went public saying more or less that they were not ready for him and I suppose I could g get the quotes if need be. Floyd had to wait on Cotto to be a free agent.
Paul Williams (200
In 2008 Williams split with Quintana who was a borderline gate keeper and then moved to 160 pounds. Sure he beat Margarito a year previous but that’s it.
Winky Wright (2009)
You have got to be kidding me? Not only was Winky washed up in 2009 but he would have never even been a mention. He was out of Floyds weight class for almost a decade.
Manny Pacquiao (2010 - 2012)
Not going to beat the dead horse. They are both categorically insane for not doing it.
Sergio Martinez (2012)
How does a natural welter duck a natural middle?

Look forward to the response my friend. I think Floyds problem from a historians standpoint will be the time off. Smart sob from an economic standpoint cause he could have eliminated the crew he is about to cash in on.

You wrote that? That's actually pretty much on point. I agree with it

Well I never pasted it. Its my view having lived it.

If you read the 3rd post on this thread you'll see we have similar views on this. I always found the Mayweather ducked Harris accusation hilarious

[bradlee180]

Floyd's certainly an elite fighter of tremendous skill, I don't think anyone ever disputed that.

He just didn't test himself very often against the very best that the sport had to offer is all, and that drastically affects a fighter's legacy...

[IamInuit]

Acelino Freites (1999-2002)
Joel Casemayor (same era)
Steve Johnson (same era)
Not sure who the writer is but the logic is flawed. Where Freitas and Casamayor are concerned it was because of timing more then anything else. Acelino was not known and Floyd was on his way to the Arum break away. In addition Orgs were well on their way of using the calendar in order to ensure certain fights could not happen and especially unifications. Much like they do now. I don’t think the Johnson fight was even thought about and Castillo had already beaten him. And imagine the style matchup. It would have been about as enjoyable as Byrd/Jones in their prime. I’d have to hit myself in the head with a ballpeen hammer just to watch it. The fight I wanted in that time frame that had a short window was Shane/Floyd. That would have been something in the 130/35 area.
Vivian Harris (2003-2005)
Kosta Tszyu (2003- 2005)
Who names their son Vivian? At any rate he was another hype job with a punch with the boxing skills of a log and had not done squat to meet Floyd. Chin like fly paper.
Zu was a matter of politics with conflicting broadcasters and no fault of either man. I wonder if the writer made the same notation on his view of Zu’s legacy.
Antonio Margarito (2006-2007)
In case anyone was not paying attention this is where the depth of Arum and Floyds hatred of each other gathered its own taste. How many Arum fighters has Floyd clashed with since he told him to go play in the traffic?
Miguel Cotto (2007-200
Cotto and his team have went public saying more or less that they were not ready for him and I suppose I could g get the quotes if need be. Floyd had to wait on Cotto to be a free agent.
Paul Williams (200
In 2008 Williams split with Quintana who was a borderline gate keeper and then moved to 160 pounds. Sure he beat Margarito a year previous but that’s it.
Winky Wright (2009)
You have got to be kidding me? Not only was Winky washed up in 2009 but he would have never even been a mention. He was out of Floyds weight class for almost a decade.
Manny Pacquiao (2010 - 2012)
Not going to beat the dead horse. They are both categorically insane for not doing it.
Sergio Martinez (2012)
How does a natural welter duck a natural middle?

Look forward to the response my friend. I think Floyds problem from a historians standpoint will be the time off. Smart sob from an economic standpoint cause he could have eliminated the crew he is about to cash in on.

You wrote that? That's actually pretty much on point. I agree with it

Well I never pasted it. Its my view having lived it.

If you read the 3rd post on this thread you'll see we have similar views on this. I always found the Mayweather ducked Harris accusation hilarious

Agree 100%. I do think he could have fought Margarito for the record and found that whole 8 million dollar thing kind of lame

[Pastor John]

Mayweather could cement his legacy as an all-time great by ending his Showtime contract fighting Pacquiao, Alvarez, Martinez, Bradley, and Broner at the end of the contract. Most likely we will see this to end out his career: Khan, Alexander, Berto, Lamont Peterson, and Keith Thurman.

I'm hoping he man's up and takes the challenge of these other guys, but his history of choosing opponents says otherwise.

[IamInuit]

Mayweather could cement his legacy as an all-time great by ending his Showtime contract fighting Pacquiao, Alvarez, Martinez, Bradley, and Broner at the end of the contract. Most likely we will see this to end out his career: Khan, Alexander, Berto, Lamont Peterson, and Keith Thurman.

I'm hoping he man's up and takes the challenge of these other guys, but his history of choosing opponents says otherwise.

Mayweather is capped out at 147. That is to say when he ventures north of that weight it shows. It even showed way back in the Oscar fight and he was just 150 and it has showed since. This is unlike many welters of the past like Robinson who went to 160 seamlessly. I think its a mistake to base his legacy at this time in his career with fights against men that weigh close to 175 at fight time. If he's going to fight one it might as well be Martinez and that's a year away at least.Thurman and Berto are most likely not in the plans nor Broner.

[Pastor John]

Mayweather could cement his legacy as an all-time great by ending his Showtime contract fighting Pacquiao, Alvarez, Martinez, Bradley, and Broner at the end of the contract. Most likely we will see this to end out his career: Khan, Alexander, Berto, Lamont Peterson, and Keith Thurman.

I'm hoping he man's up and takes the challenge of these other guys, but his history of choosing opponents says otherwise.

Mayweather is capped out at 147. That is to say when he ventures north of that weight it shows. It even showed way back in the Oscar fight and he was just 150 and it has showed since. This is unlike many welters of the past like Robinson who went to 160 seamlessly. I think its a mistake to base his legacy at this time in his career with fights against men that weigh close to 175 at fight time. If he's going to fight one it might as well be Martinez and that's a year away at least.Thurman and Berto are most likely not in the plans nor Broner.

I agree Mayweather isn't as effective above 147, but Martinez is there for the taking right now. Now is the time to fight him. Berto was in the plan until his loss to Guerrero. I could see Mayweather fighting him if Berto puts together a few wins over decent competition. Thurman is extremely limited and his promoter will continue to put him in fights he should win. I definitely could see that fight happening towards the end of next year if Thurman is active. Mayweather will easily defeat him. Broner is going to continue to move up in weight. I think that could be a huge fight next year, but Mayweather won't risk fighting a guy as young, quick, and athletic as Broner.

[IamInuit]

Mayweather could cement his legacy as an all-time great by ending his Showtime contract fighting Pacquiao, Alvarez, Martinez, Bradley, and Broner at the end of the contract. Most likely we will see this to end out his career: Khan, Alexander, Berto, Lamont Peterson, and Keith Thurman.

I'm hoping he man's up and takes the challenge of these other guys, but his history of choosing opponents says otherwise.

Mayweather is capped out at 147. That is to say when he ventures north of that weight it shows. It even showed way back in the Oscar fight and he was just 150 and it has showed since. This is unlike many welters of the past like Robinson who went to 160 seamlessly. I think its a mistake to base his legacy at this time in his career with fights against men that weigh close to 175 at fight time. If he's going to fight one it might as well be Martinez and that's a year away at least.Thurman and Berto are most likely not in the plans nor Broner.

I agree Mayweather isn't as effective above 147, but Martinez is there for the taking right now. Now is the time to fight him. Berto was in the plan until his loss to Guerrero. I could see Mayweather fighting him if Berto puts together a few wins over decent competition. Thurman is extremely limited and his promoter will continue to put him in fights he should win. I definitely could see that fight happening towards the end of next year if Thurman is active. Mayweather will easily defeat him. Broner is going to continue to move up in weight. I think that could be a huge fight next year, but Mayweather won't risk fighting a guy as young, quick, and athletic as Broner.

Yup I'd say Martinez is a little ripe but then again he may have completed overlooked Murray. I mean last minute training in the hotel room? You could be right but Floyd may look at that as a step down since the man he just waxed, waxed him. I'm hoping Broner gets his piece and then goes back to 140. Trouble is I think most 140 pounders at the top will be moving to 147 so Broners timing may work to his benefit. Perhaps he will fight a guy like Aydin. Should prove interesting over the coming year. September is not that far away so we should hear in a month or so.