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Re: Juanma Lopez falls over in training badly bruised
That's why Garcia's on top and should remain there for awhile. His concentration is only on Lopez. Going into the first Salido fight, Lopez seemed more interested in Gamboa than Salido. And got his ass whipped for his stupidity. Garcia is not making the same mistakeOriginally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
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Juanma is gonna get destroyed. He's the poster boy for the falseness of boxing's hype machine.
Garcia levels him in 6... Probably less.
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hype machine? you don't win titles at Super Bantam and Featherweight, have KO wins over the likes of De Leon (in one round none the less), Penalosa, Luevano, Concepcion, and R. Marquez by being a "hype job"
did he limit himself by relying on his power too much? yes obviously, we've been saying this for years, but he made minced meat out of De Leon in his first title fight and that was 3 yrs before De Leon got screwed against Broner, even Gamboa wasn't able to stop him after 8 rnds, so that's saying something
he may not have reached his full potential but he didn't end up being a Zab Judah either so pretty far from being a hype job
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I think he's a hype job and I put Zab Judah as more highly regarded than Juan Ma. Zab as of recently had a tough fight vs Garcia where he held his own. I'm not saying Juan Ma is a shit fighter I think he's a good fighter who beat good fighters such as De Leon, Conception etc *Win on the old man Marquez who was actually giving him all Juan Ma could handle till he got injured* Anyways I think he's a good fighter but never will be a great fighter. He peaked at those wins and then got destroyed by a gatekeeper twice. Now he will get destroyed by a quality opponent. If he beats Mikey he will have one last chance I believe to be great. PS I also think Broner is a hyped job. We'll see sooner or late he will get exposed just like when I said Andre Berto was a hype job and he would get exposed.hype machine? you don't win titles at Super Bantam and Featherweight, have KO wins over the likes of De Leon (in one round none the less), Penalosa, Luevano, Concepcion, and R. Marquez by being a "hype job"
did he limit himself by relying on his power too much? yes obviously, we've been saying this for years, but he made minced meat out of De Leon in his first title fight and that was 3 yrs before De Leon got screwed against Broner, even Gamboa wasn't able to stop him after 8 rnds, so that's saying something
he may not have reached his full potential but he didn't end up being a Zab Judah either so pretty far from being a hype job
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juanma and zab huh? i guess only time will tell if juanma even reaches zab judah's gate keeper status.hype machine? you don't win titles at Super Bantam and Featherweight, have KO wins over the likes of De Leon (in one round none the less), Penalosa, Luevano, Concepcion, and R. Marquez by being a "hype job"
did he limit himself by relying on his power too much? yes obviously, we've been saying this for years, but he made minced meat out of De Leon in his first title fight and that was 3 yrs before De Leon got screwed against Broner, even Gamboa wasn't able to stop him after 8 rnds, so that's saying something
he may not have reached his full potential but he didn't end up being a Zab Judah either so pretty far from being a hype job
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I rate Judah lower simply due to the fact that he has choked in every big fight he has had (other than maybe against Corley in the rematch), he's given fighters a good fight for a couple rounds and then loses clearly, Salido although not the greatest fighter also pushed Gamboa himself pretty damn hard, even dropped him, so not like he's a shit fighter either, IMO a hype job is a guy who never came close to living up to what he was being built to be, for example Panchito Bojado, James Kirkland, Arreola, Cintron, etc.I think he's a hype job and I put Zab Judah as more highly regarded than Juan Ma. Zab as of recently had a tough fight vs Garcia where he held his own. I'm not saying Juan Ma is a shit fighter I think he's a good fighter who beat good fighters such as De Leon, Conception etc *Win on the old man Marquez who was actually giving him all Juan Ma could handle till he got injured* Anyways I think he's a good fighter but never will be a great fighter. He peaked at those wins and then got destroyed by a gatekeeper twice. Now he will get destroyed by a quality opponent. If he beats Mikey he will have one last chance I believe to be great. PS I also think Broner is a hyped job. We'll see sooner or late he will get exposed just like when I said Andre Berto was a hype job and he would get exposed.hype machine? you don't win titles at Super Bantam and Featherweight, have KO wins over the likes of De Leon (in one round none the less), Penalosa, Luevano, Concepcion, and R. Marquez by being a "hype job"
did he limit himself by relying on his power too much? yes obviously, we've been saying this for years, but he made minced meat out of De Leon in his first title fight and that was 3 yrs before De Leon got screwed against Broner, even Gamboa wasn't able to stop him after 8 rnds, so that's saying something
he may not have reached his full potential but he didn't end up being a Zab Judah either so pretty far from being a hype job
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What rematch? He only fought him one time. And while Judah has underachieved for his career he did mange to be the undisputed welterweight champion at one point. Which is a bigger accomplishment than anything Lopez has doneI rate Judah lower simply due to the fact that he has choked in every big fight he has had (other than maybe against Corley in the rematch), he's given fighters a good fight for a couple rounds and then loses clearly, Salido although not the greatest fighter also pushed Gamboa himself pretty damn hard, even dropped him, so not like he's a shit fighter either, IMO a hype job is a guy who never came close to living up to what he was being built to be, for example Panchito Bojado, James Kirkland, Arreola, Cintron, etc.I think he's a hype job and I put Zab Judah as more highly regarded than Juan Ma. Zab as of recently had a tough fight vs Garcia where he held his own. I'm not saying Juan Ma is a shit fighter I think he's a good fighter who beat good fighters such as De Leon, Conception etc *Win on the old man Marquez who was actually giving him all Juan Ma could handle till he got injured* Anyways I think he's a good fighter but never will be a great fighter. He peaked at those wins and then got destroyed by a gatekeeper twice. Now he will get destroyed by a quality opponent. If he beats Mikey he will have one last chance I believe to be great. PS I also think Broner is a hyped job. We'll see sooner or late he will get exposed just like when I said Andre Berto was a hype job and he would get exposed.hype machine? you don't win titles at Super Bantam and Featherweight, have KO wins over the likes of De Leon (in one round none the less), Penalosa, Luevano, Concepcion, and R. Marquez by being a "hype job"
did he limit himself by relying on his power too much? yes obviously, we've been saying this for years, but he made minced meat out of De Leon in his first title fight and that was 3 yrs before De Leon got screwed against Broner, even Gamboa wasn't able to stop him after 8 rnds, so that's saying something
he may not have reached his full potential but he didn't end up being a Zab Judah either so pretty far from being a hype job
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meant Cory Spinks not Corley, he looked like shit in the first fight, and that's probably his only real stand out win, as for being Undisputed champ, true, but also he didn't do the picking up of the titles which takes some of the glimmer off of the accomplishmentWhat rematch? He only fought him one time. And while Judah has underachieved for his career he did mange to be the undisputed welterweight champion at one point. Which is a bigger accomplishment than anything Lopez has doneI rate Judah lower simply due to the fact that he has choked in every big fight he has had (other than maybe against Corley in the rematch), he's given fighters a good fight for a couple rounds and then loses clearly, Salido although not the greatest fighter also pushed Gamboa himself pretty damn hard, even dropped him, so not like he's a shit fighter either, IMO a hype job is a guy who never came close to living up to what he was being built to be, for example Panchito Bojado, James Kirkland, Arreola, Cintron, etc.I think he's a hype job and I put Zab Judah as more highly regarded than Juan Ma. Zab as of recently had a tough fight vs Garcia where he held his own. I'm not saying Juan Ma is a shit fighter I think he's a good fighter who beat good fighters such as De Leon, Conception etc *Win on the old man Marquez who was actually giving him all Juan Ma could handle till he got injured* Anyways I think he's a good fighter but never will be a great fighter. He peaked at those wins and then got destroyed by a gatekeeper twice. Now he will get destroyed by a quality opponent. If he beats Mikey he will have one last chance I believe to be great. PS I also think Broner is a hyped job. We'll see sooner or late he will get exposed just like when I said Andre Berto was a hype job and he would get exposed.hype machine? you don't win titles at Super Bantam and Featherweight, have KO wins over the likes of De Leon (in one round none the less), Penalosa, Luevano, Concepcion, and R. Marquez by being a "hype job"
did he limit himself by relying on his power too much? yes obviously, we've been saying this for years, but he made minced meat out of De Leon in his first title fight and that was 3 yrs before De Leon got screwed against Broner, even Gamboa wasn't able to stop him after 8 rnds, so that's saying something
he may not have reached his full potential but he didn't end up being a Zab Judah either so pretty far from being a hype job
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I don't think he looked like sh** in the 1st fight, i thought it was a good fight and a good showing from both men. Judah also almost KO'ed Spinks in the last round, very close fight which could of gone either way.meant Cory Spinks not Corley, he looked like shit in the first fight, and that's probably his only real stand out win, as for being Undisputed champ, true, but also he didn't do the picking up of the titles which takes some of the glimmer off of the accomplishmentWhat rematch? He only fought him one time. And while Judah has underachieved for his career he did mange to be the undisputed welterweight champion at one point. Which is a bigger accomplishment than anything Lopez has doneI rate Judah lower simply due to the fact that he has choked in every big fight he has had (other than maybe against Corley in the rematch), he's given fighters a good fight for a couple rounds and then loses clearly, Salido although not the greatest fighter also pushed Gamboa himself pretty damn hard, even dropped him, so not like he's a shit fighter either, IMO a hype job is a guy who never came close to living up to what he was being built to be, for example Panchito Bojado, James Kirkland, Arreola, Cintron, etc.I think he's a hype job and I put Zab Judah as more highly regarded than Juan Ma. Zab as of recently had a tough fight vs Garcia where he held his own. I'm not saying Juan Ma is a shit fighter I think he's a good fighter who beat good fighters such as De Leon, Conception etc *Win on the old man Marquez who was actually giving him all Juan Ma could handle till he got injured* Anyways I think he's a good fighter but never will be a great fighter. He peaked at those wins and then got destroyed by a gatekeeper twice. Now he will get destroyed by a quality opponent. If he beats Mikey he will have one last chance I believe to be great. PS I also think Broner is a hyped job. We'll see sooner or late he will get exposed just like when I said Andre Berto was a hype job and he would get exposed.hype machine? you don't win titles at Super Bantam and Featherweight, have KO wins over the likes of De Leon (in one round none the less), Penalosa, Luevano, Concepcion, and R. Marquez by being a "hype job"
did he limit himself by relying on his power too much? yes obviously, we've been saying this for years, but he made minced meat out of De Leon in his first title fight and that was 3 yrs before De Leon got screwed against Broner, even Gamboa wasn't able to stop him after 8 rnds, so that's saying something
he may not have reached his full potential but he didn't end up being a Zab Judah either so pretty far from being a hype job
He did beat a few solid Jr Welterweights Junior Witter, Terron Millet = Coming off beating Vince Phillips. His career basically took a dive after the Kostya Tszyu loss, although he was able to comeback and have a few good showing's i don't think he was ever quite the same after the Tszyu loss.
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wouldn't really rate the Witter fight too highly, IMO Corley was a bigger feat, but yea he was reaching his prime going into the Tszyu fight and never bounced back to what he was supposed to be, yea he gave top guys like Mayweather, Cotto, Garcia, tough fights, but at the end of the day lost all of them clearly, and that's what will pretty much define his careerI don't think he looked like sh** in the 1st fight, i thought it was a good fight and a good showing from both men. Judah also almost KO'ed Spinks in the last round, very close fight which could of gone either way.meant Cory Spinks not Corley, he looked like shit in the first fight, and that's probably his only real stand out win, as for being Undisputed champ, true, but also he didn't do the picking up of the titles which takes some of the glimmer off of the accomplishmentWhat rematch? He only fought him one time. And while Judah has underachieved for his career he did mange to be the undisputed welterweight champion at one point. Which is a bigger accomplishment than anything Lopez has doneI rate Judah lower simply due to the fact that he has choked in every big fight he has had (other than maybe against Corley in the rematch), he's given fighters a good fight for a couple rounds and then loses clearly, Salido although not the greatest fighter also pushed Gamboa himself pretty damn hard, even dropped him, so not like he's a shit fighter either, IMO a hype job is a guy who never came close to living up to what he was being built to be, for example Panchito Bojado, James Kirkland, Arreola, Cintron, etc.I think he's a hype job and I put Zab Judah as more highly regarded than Juan Ma. Zab as of recently had a tough fight vs Garcia where he held his own. I'm not saying Juan Ma is a shit fighter I think he's a good fighter who beat good fighters such as De Leon, Conception etc *Win on the old man Marquez who was actually giving him all Juan Ma could handle till he got injured* Anyways I think he's a good fighter but never will be a great fighter. He peaked at those wins and then got destroyed by a gatekeeper twice. Now he will get destroyed by a quality opponent. If he beats Mikey he will have one last chance I believe to be great. PS I also think Broner is a hyped job. We'll see sooner or late he will get exposed just like when I said Andre Berto was a hype job and he would get exposed.hype machine? you don't win titles at Super Bantam and Featherweight, have KO wins over the likes of De Leon (in one round none the less), Penalosa, Luevano, Concepcion, and R. Marquez by being a "hype job"
did he limit himself by relying on his power too much? yes obviously, we've been saying this for years, but he made minced meat out of De Leon in his first title fight and that was 3 yrs before De Leon got screwed against Broner, even Gamboa wasn't able to stop him after 8 rnds, so that's saying something
he may not have reached his full potential but he didn't end up being a Zab Judah either so pretty far from being a hype job
He did beat a few solid Jr Welterweights Junior Witter, Terron Millet = Coming off beating Vince Phillips. His career basically took a dive after the Kostya Tszyu loss, although he was able to comeback and have a few good showing's i don't think he was ever quite the same after the Tszyu loss.
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Aagghhh.... it's pointless to argue about Zab versus JuanMa. The argument is going to fall along "party lines", as usual. But to claim JuanMa was a "hype job" is just plain stupid. He's a two-weight division champion, same as Zab. He's got a better record than Zab, strictly from a Won-Loss perspective and particularly in KO percentage. These things themselves don't carry an argument, sure... but then again, no one is claiming Zab is a hype job, right?
About the only thing I'd add regarding the comparison is that JuanMa has fallen more steeply off his two losses, than Zab fell after his more famous losses. Zab came back and regained at least some of his form and previous luster. It's still to be seen whether JuanMa can do the same.
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zab had tremendous natural gifts and talent but didn't maximize his potential against opponents on the highest level. he got beat by all the A level fighters he fought, sometimes by brutal ko, sometimes in close, tough fights. yet despite all his loses and shortcomings he continues to show the natural talent and skill that he had when he was just coming up... even when fighting top guys at the age of 35.
i don't think we'll see juanma boxing at 35 let alone looking as good as zab did in his last fight. infact, i'd go so far as to predict that this fight against garcia will be one of juanma's last big relevant fights...at least on the international stage.
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Juanma is definitely not a hypejob and I believe he can regain form. Of course he can.. Boxing fans are too fickle minded to think that a fighter is washed up after two losses. Perhaps Juanma isn't the same, mentally, perhaps he's not as confident in his ability as before, but physically, he gots it..
I rate Juanma above Zab for the simple fact that he's never bitched out..
JUanma is a bad bad man and he's my favorite Rican fighter!
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so... i guess you must rate juanma above duran, tyson, klitchko, cotto, dawson, etc... for the same reason.Juanma is definitely not a hypejob and I believe he can regain form. Of course he can.. Boxing fans are too fickle minded to think that a fighter is washed up after two losses. Perhaps Juanma isn't the same, mentally, perhaps he's not as confident in his ability as before, but physically, he gots it..
I rate Juanma above Zab for the simple fact that he's never bitched out..
JUanma is a bad bad man and he's my favorite Rican fighter!
we'll see what happens.
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so... i guess you must rate juanma above duran, tyson, klitchko, cotto, dawson, etc... for the same reason.Juanma is definitely not a hypejob and I believe he can regain form. Of course he can.. Boxing fans are too fickle minded to think that a fighter is washed up after two losses. Perhaps Juanma isn't the same, mentally, perhaps he's not as confident in his ability as before, but physically, he gots it..
I rate Juanma above Zab for the simple fact that he's never bitched out..
JUanma is a bad bad man and he's my favorite Rican fighter!
we'll see what happens.
In terms of heart/warrior mentality, yes I do rate Juanma above the guys u mentioned.. Dawson is a mental midget and DUran,Tyson, and Cotto have all quit at one time or another.. HOw many times did TYson quit again? lol ANd let's not even get into Zab cuz there are too many..
IM not even talking about accomplishments here. BUt heartwise, Juanma has bigger cojones than all of them..
ONly if Kneeguel Cotto had the heart of JUanma.. that'll be the day
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