Rank these fighters

[Dark Lord Al]

I notice the Kosta Tszu gets no love..at his best, he was unbeatable. it's has ben rumored MANY times that both Mosely and DeLaHoya skipped over the light welter weight div becuz of KT. Mosely even said"the guy was an animal"...just saying.

At his best he was beaten by Vince Phillips who a few fights before had been eaten alive at WW by Ike Quartey.

[bigstinkybug]

*KT didn't even look like KT in that fight... he underestimated him... it happens.. if u think Phillips beat KT at his best... then good for u...

[beenKOed]

As far as legacy goes put rank these fighters in order.


1. Tito Trinidad
2. Mayweather
3. Kosta tsu
4. Mosley
5. De LaHoya
6. Whitaker
7. Chavez
8. Hopkins
9. Pac
10.

1. Mayweather

2. Pacquaio

3. Chavez

4. Hopkins

5. Whitaker

6. De la hoya

7. Tito

8. Mosley

9. Tszyu

Out of the names u listed, this is my ranking.

If Roy was on there, it would look a lil different

I agree with your list.

[justaguy]

New here, but I'm going to roll out my opinion anyway and why:

1. Whitaker - unquestioned best in his day and for a while - JCC was a joke and everyone knew it
2. Chavez - beast - he destroyed people in his day and fought a lot of very, very good fighters - not Tiajuana taxi drivers
3. DLH - I can't stand him, but can't knock what he's done and who he has fought
4. Sugar Shane - unquestioned best for a while - considered unbeatable at lightweight and was leaps and bounds ahead of them when he moved up - the DLH fights are classics
5. Hopkins - can't be ignored what he is doing now - I don't think that his middleweight reign has enough names on it to really count and he didn't catch RJJ when he was still truly RJJ - doesn't count
6. Mayweather - I could argue some of the spots above this, but won't - he's not done, but most people don't think that he's taken on the best at his weight since he was at 135, unless you count Cotto at 154.
7. Pac - impressive run is over - impressive fall is underway - but the run was impressive
8. Tito - has a great career - however, I think he clearly lost to DLH, I question his victory over Whitaker, and he was destroyed by Hopkins... good fighter, but not at the elite level of those above him on this list
9. Kostya - beat Zab in impressive fashion - nice fighter - but was never the name that Tito was, even at his best - but he was the best at his weight for a while and it was surprising when he was handled and how he was handled

You question Tito's victory over Whitaker Tito dominated that fight although I don't give him much credit considering sweet pea was shot

The second part of what you say is what I mean... Whitaker was not Whitaker... Tito was a young lion, but it's not like his punches were that hard to see coming. He won the fight, no doubt... but he didn't beat the guy that I would consider to be the real Sweet Pea.

[IamInuit]

New here, but I'm going to roll out my opinion anyway and why:

1. Whitaker - unquestioned best in his day and for a while - JCC was a joke and everyone knew it
2. Chavez - beast - he destroyed people in his day and fought a lot of very, very good fighters - not Tiajuana taxi drivers
3. DLH - I can't stand him, but can't knock what he's done and who he has fought
4. Sugar Shane - unquestioned best for a while - considered unbeatable at lightweight and was leaps and bounds ahead of them when he moved up - the DLH fights are classics
5. Hopkins - can't be ignored what he is doing now - I don't think that his middleweight reign has enough names on it to really count and he didn't catch RJJ when he was still truly RJJ - doesn't count
6. Mayweather - I could argue some of the spots above this, but won't - he's not done, but most people don't think that he's taken on the best at his weight since he was at 135, unless you count Cotto at 154.
7. Pac - impressive run is over - impressive fall is underway - but the run was impressive
8. Tito - has a great career - however, I think he clearly lost to DLH, I question his victory over Whitaker, and he was destroyed by Hopkins... good fighter, but not at the elite level of those above him on this list
9. Kostya - beat Zab in impressive fashion - nice fighter - but was never the name that Tito was, even at his best - but he was the best at his weight for a while and it was surprising when he was handled and how he was handled

You question Tito's victory over Whitaker Tito dominated that fight although I don't give him much credit considering sweet pea was shot

The second part of what you say is what I mean... Whitaker was not Whitaker... Tito was a young lion, but it's not like his punches were that hard to see coming. He won the fight, no doubt... but he didn't beat the guy that I would consider to be the real Sweet Pea.

Glad you found the way friend.

[IamInuit]

As far as the question goes taking all things into perspective I don't see how you can rank any of them over Hopkins historically and I cant stand the prick.

[DannyV297]

1. may
2. oscar
3. chavez
4. pac
5. hop
6. Pernell
7. Lennox
8. tit0
9. kostya

[Master]

Chavez
Whitaker
Pac
Hopkins
De LaHoya
Mayweather
Tito Trinidad
Mosley
Kosta tszyu

[justaguy]

New here, but I'm going to roll out my opinion anyway and why:

1. Whitaker - unquestioned best in his day and for a while - JCC was a joke and everyone knew it
2. Chavez - beast - he destroyed people in his day and fought a lot of very, very good fighters - not Tiajuana taxi drivers
3. DLH - I can't stand him, but can't knock what he's done and who he has fought
4. Sugar Shane - unquestioned best for a while - considered unbeatable at lightweight and was leaps and bounds ahead of them when he moved up - the DLH fights are classics
5. Hopkins - can't be ignored what he is doing now - I don't think that his middleweight reign has enough names on it to really count and he didn't catch RJJ when he was still truly RJJ - doesn't count
6. Mayweather - I could argue some of the spots above this, but won't - he's not done, but most people don't think that he's taken on the best at his weight since he was at 135, unless you count Cotto at 154.
7. Pac - impressive run is over - impressive fall is underway - but the run was impressive
8. Tito - has a great career - however, I think he clearly lost to DLH, I question his victory over Whitaker, and he was destroyed by Hopkins... good fighter, but not at the elite level of those above him on this list
9. Kostya - beat Zab in impressive fashion - nice fighter - but was never the name that Tito was, even at his best - but he was the best at his weight for a while and it was surprising when he was handled and how he was handled

You question Tito's victory over Whitaker Tito dominated that fight although I don't give him much credit considering sweet pea was shot

The second part of what you say is what I mean... Whitaker was not Whitaker... Tito was a young lion, but it's not like his punches were that hard to see coming. He won the fight, no doubt... but he didn't beat the guy that I would consider to be the real Sweet Pea.

Glad you found the way friend.

Like the place, bud - much more BOXING talk... imagine that

[TitoFan]

All great fighters deserving of their legacies.
But this is why I'll never rank Oscar over Trinidad:


Oscar Cleans Up On Tito’s Leftovers Again - De La Hoya Beats a Shell of Mayorga



Oscar was the "perfect storm" of boxing popularity. Olympic gold medalist... fully bilingual... "boy next door good looks"... charming (albeit calculated) TV personality. He was the quintessential crossover star. Pretty good fighter, too. But his record pales in comparison with Trinidad's... and toward the end of their respective careers they chose two very different tacks. Oscar went after the "calculated", smaller, big-name opponents... thinking strictly legacy. It backfired big-time against Manny Pacquiao. Trinidad went after bigger and bigger game... finally losing a fight he should've never fought... against RJJ.

Of course, Oscar will always have the much bigger fan base. He carefully crafted his popularity with both Mexicans and Americans. Trinidad cared only about representing his small island as proudly as he could.

Compare their records... and you'll see that Trinidad blew out the better and scarier opponents, including some with previously undefeated records. They both failed at middleweight... but Trinidad gave a much better account of himself at that weight than Oscar by several orders of magnitude.

The popular Trinidad-hater line about his being one-dimensional looks pretty ridiculous when held up against his stellar record and knockout ratio. Before he beat Oba Carr (before Oscar then beat Oba, too ), Oba Carr was considered "all that". A great up-and-coming fighter. After Trinidad beat him... Carr was nobody. The typical folly of fickle boxing fans. Oh well.... c'est la vie.

Just my opinion, of course.

[Jerry Rice]

All great fighters deserving of their legacies.
But this is why I'll never rank Oscar over Trinidad:


Oscar Cleans Up On Tito�s Leftovers Again - De La Hoya Beats a Shell of Mayorga



Oscar was the "perfect storm" of boxing popularity. Olympic gold medalist... fully bilingual... "boy next door good looks"... charming (albeit calculated) TV personality. He was the quintessential crossover star. Pretty good fighter, too. But his record pales in comparison with Trinidad's... and toward the end of their respective careers they chose two very different tacks. Oscar went after the "calculated", smaller, big-name opponents... thinking strictly legacy. It backfired big-time against Manny Pacquiao. Trinidad went after bigger and bigger game... finally losing a fight he should've never fought... against RJJ.

Of course, Oscar will always have the much bigger fan base. He carefully crafted his popularity with both Mexicans and Americans. Trinidad cared only about representing his small island as proudly as he could.

Compare their records... and you'll see that Trinidad blew out the better and scarier opponents, including some with previously undefeated records. They both failed at middleweight... but Trinidad gave a much better account of himself at that weight than Oscar by several orders of magnitude.

The popular Trinidad-hater line about his being one-dimensional looks pretty ridiculous when held up against his stellar record and knockout ratio. Before he beat Oba Carr (before Oscar then beat Oba, too ), Oba Carr was considered "all that". A great up-and-coming fighter. After Trinidad beat him... Carr was nobody. The typical folly of fickle boxing fans. Oh well.... c'est la vie.

Just my opinion, of course.

Great post, I co-sign everything you said.

[bigstinkybug]

i don't know how u don't rank Oscar over Tito...they both fought eachother and Oscar was robbed... there's not debating Tito lost that fight by at least three rounds or more... where-ever Tito is ranked, Oscar should one ahead of him...

[Jerry Rice]

i don't know how u don't rank Oscar over Tito...they both fought eachother and Oscar was robbed... there's not debating Tito lost that fight by at least three rounds or more... where-ever Tito is ranked, Oscar should one ahead of him...

Fighters Tito popped their cherry


Yori Campus
Oba Carr
Oscar De La Hoya
David Reid
Fernando Vargas

Only Oscar was able to go on to other things, everybody else was ruined


Adding in all the variables these are his top wins

1. Joppy
2. Vargas
3. Reid
4. Carr
5. Blocker
6. Campus
7. De La Hoya
8. Thiam

Only one missing from this list is Ike Quartey, he decided to throw a temper tantrum and retire after he was robbed against De La Hoya.



Tito would fight any and everybody no matter if it was high risk low reward or not.

[TitoFan]

i don't know how u don't rank Oscar over Tito...they both fought eachother and Oscar was robbed... there's not debating Tito lost that fight by at least three rounds or more... where-ever Tito is ranked, Oscar should one ahead of him...

And many agree with you, stinkybug. But many disagree also. Consider that the fight was held in Las Vegas, not San Juan. And that Oscar was the darling and the cash cow of the major networks. There was no incentive to rob Oscar. He threw the fight away in the last three rounds, running for his life.

Oscar was the better boxer, yes. But IMO, Trinidad was the better fighter, AND... had the better and more impressive career.

[greynotsoold]

I thought Trinidad beat Oscar, by one point, though neither 'covered themselves with glory.' His fight with Carr, on the other hand, was very well fought, Trinidad, I mean. And watch the Larry Barnes fight and that beautiful hook after the slip that brought about the end of the fight.
Oscar, when trained by Jesus Rivero, was on his way to being one of the very very best. But Oscar was never a puncher; he was always a fast, skilled boxer that could hit pretty good. He hit less good as he moved up, and, in trying to be something he wasn't, he neglected his skill and his jab.