Edwin Valero in the current 140.. prolly would have put Lucas to sleep

[FinitoElDinamita]

Wow.. so much disrespect for the Venom. So many posters on this board are misinformed about this guy.. smh unbelievable.

Edwin Valero had great technical abilities. I trained next to him numerous times so I kind of know.

And did somebody compare him to Tryone Brunson? lmfao

Valero was a straight up killer, plain and simple . Lucas Mattyese would have got fucked up bigtime. Im positive

[SugarBoxing]

He was a monster . Ive seen him up close many times while training in LA and he was a beast kind of like what GGG is today. Many people know him as a brawler but he actually had great technical skills. He just chose to slug.

Guys like garcia wouldnt even have got near a title if valero was fighting in the division.. lucas is just a one trick pony and valero would have kicked his ass all the way back to argentina.

How many of you liked the venom?

By the time of his death Valero was still one-dimensional fighter, Lucas is also one-dimensional, but with worse power and stamina, worse quality in punches. This is why I favor Valero for 6th round KO or TKO

How can you come to the conclusion that Matthysse has worse stamina when he's arguably gotten stronger in the late rounds of big fights while Valero has seen a 10th a grand total of 1 time and never a final bell?! Valero looks like a cave man chucking boulders compared to a Matthysse delivery.

I watched a lot on Valero. This guy was sparring 15 rounds against both brother Santa Cruz, one after another, and beat the crap out of both of them. HE was able to seriously hurt people in sparring, almost knocking them out. He was throwing 900 punches at bag in 3 mins working 10-15 rounds like that and making a hole in the bag like Big George Forman. Last, but not least, Valero punches just sound different. Lucas was throwing this type of snappy sharp punches against Garcia for 2-3 rounds, then he stopped. Lucas is a "pussy" in comparison to Valero, Valero is a legend, Lucas will be forgotten in couple years like any other fighter who got couple title shots but never won it. PERIOD.

Valero was demon possessed of top of that. That explains his supernatural power and how things ended for him. There are only three forces in the world: the Holy Spirit, demons stuff and men's work. Lucas is apparently not backed up by anything except his flesh (this is why he lost to Judah and Garcia). I never bet on works of the flesh

You never got back to me over thee dispute concerning Donny Lalonde verses Ray Leonard. Fair enough. You were probably a seed in Daddy's sperm sack at the time and have never taken the time to research the topic or even watch the fight. In the above you almost sound like Jim Jones. I hate kool-aid and you live under a bridge.

All I tried to say there that Dundee decided to not to support Loenard in that fight, because he felt it was a "mismatch/cherry pick/proves nothing/catchweight crap/whatever", unfortunately, I did not put it in word very well, so it gave the wrong message, happy now? Also, I never claimed to be an expert in "boxing history", double happy now? All my knowledge is based on youtube videos

[Violent Demise]

He was a monster . Ive seen him up close many times while training in LA and he was a beast kind of like what GGG is today. Many people know him as a brawler but he actually had great technical skills. He just chose to slug.

Guys like garcia wouldnt even have got near a title if valero was fighting in the division.. lucas is just a one trick pony and valero would have kicked his ass all the way back to argentina.

How many of you liked the venom?

By the time of his death Valero was still one-dimensional fighter, Lucas is also one-dimensional, but with worse power and stamina, worse quality in punches. This is why I favor Valero for 6th round KO or TKO

How can you come to the conclusion that Matthysse has worse stamina when he's arguably gotten stronger in the late rounds of big fights while Valero has seen a 10th a grand total of 1 time and never a final bell?! Valero looks like a cave man chucking boulders compared to a Matthysse delivery.

Valero win over Vincente Mosquera in Panama trumps Matthysse best win against Peterson

[FinitoElDinamita]

He was a monster . Ive seen him up close many times while training in LA and he was a beast kind of like what GGG is today. Many people know him as a brawler but he actually had great technical skills. He just chose to slug.

Guys like garcia wouldnt even have got near a title if valero was fighting in the division.. lucas is just a one trick pony and valero would have kicked his ass all the way back to argentina.

How many of you liked the venom?

By the time of his death Valero was still one-dimensional fighter, Lucas is also one-dimensional, but with worse power and stamina, worse quality in punches. This is why I favor Valero for 6th round KO or TKO

How can you come to the conclusion that Matthysse has worse stamina when he's arguably gotten stronger in the late rounds of big fights while Valero has seen a 10th a grand total of 1 time and never a final bell?! Valero looks like a cave man chucking boulders compared to a Matthysse delivery.

Valero win over Vincente Mosquera in Panama trumps Matthysse best win against Peterson

Yep. But a lot of these guys in here dont even know who mosquera is and how dangerous he was at the time.

[Violent Demise]

He was a monster . Ive seen him up close many times while training in LA and he was a beast kind of like what GGG is today. Many people know him as a brawler but he actually had great technical skills. He just chose to slug.

Guys like garcia wouldnt even have got near a title if valero was fighting in the division.. lucas is just a one trick pony and valero would have kicked his ass all the way back to argentina.

How many of you liked the venom?

By the time of his death Valero was still one-dimensional fighter, Lucas is also one-dimensional, but with worse power and stamina, worse quality in punches. This is why I favor Valero for 6th round KO or TKO

How can you come to the conclusion that Matthysse has worse stamina when he's arguably gotten stronger in the late rounds of big fights while Valero has seen a 10th a grand total of 1 time and never a final bell?! Valero looks like a cave man chucking boulders compared to a Matthysse delivery.

Valero win over Vincente Mosquera in Panama trumps Matthysse best win against Peterson

Yep. But a lot of these guys in here dont even know who mosquera is and how dangerous he was at the time.

The atmosphere in that fight was crazy. I can't see Matthysse or Garcia taking a fight there. Especially not the Garcia camp. Angel would get killed during the ring walk

[Spicoli]

He was a monster . Ive seen him up close many times while training in LA and he was a beast kind of like what GGG is today. Many people know him as a brawler but he actually had great technical skills. He just chose to slug.

Guys like garcia wouldnt even have got near a title if valero was fighting in the division.. lucas is just a one trick pony and valero would have kicked his ass all the way back to argentina.

How many of you liked the venom?

By the time of his death Valero was still one-dimensional fighter, Lucas is also one-dimensional, but with worse power and stamina, worse quality in punches. This is why I favor Valero for 6th round KO or TKO

How can you come to the conclusion that Matthysse has worse stamina when he's arguably gotten stronger in the late rounds of big fights while Valero has seen a 10th a grand total of 1 time and never a final bell?! Valero looks like a cave man chucking boulders compared to a Matthysse delivery.

Valero win over Vincente Mosquera in Panama trumps Matthysse best win against Peterson

Yep. But a lot of these guys in here dont even know who mosquera is and how dangerous he was at the time.

Mosquera was a good fighter but he wasn't king kong. Panama had a shot in the arm with mass championship weekend yr earlier...helluva war btw.. and it was an insane enviroment but it also showed how a guy with ok pop could walk in on Valero early and land repeatedly.