Victor ortiz: I got caught, it doesn't define me

[Gandalf]

The sad thing is that it does define him. Victor gets hit and quits everytime. It quite definitely defines him. Unless he fights a taxi driver, the same will happen again. He has been worked out, opponents know he is liable to quit more than continue, and he will quit again. No big deal, the man should walk away from boxing knowing that he is a relatively rich man. He did well considering he quit so much.

[walrus]

Didn't Ali continue to fight Fraizer with a broken jaw. These guys who continue fighting with broken hands are the shit as well. I broke my right hand, almost every bone. Hurt so bad I wanted to cry. So bad painkillers didn't touch it. Only time dulls that pain, like everything else I guess.