Lara/Alvarez scorecards thread

[Gandalf]

Having now watched the fight properly I have reached the following conclusions. My first observation is that Levi Martinez should be immediately arrested. 117-111 is an insane scorecard and apparently he reached that scorecard having given Lara the 12th, which if Lara did win that round, it was by far his least convincing won round. Levi Martinez, you really didn't see at least a number of rounds where Lara did actually outbox Canelo? You have a lot to answer for once you start to comedown from that Oscar powder kick you were on. Looking at the punchstats too, I think Canelo outlanded Lara in only 3 of the 12 rounds. Now admittedly, there were a lot of close rounds, but how on earth can you score 117-111 in a fight where the man you favour landed more in only 3 rounds? The man was clearly not awake and must be banned from all future fights. And so should Delahoya as I hate him and his orange faced creepiness. Overall I had Lara winning and the immediate avoidance of a rematch is a shameful move considering that Canelo lost the fight.

That's enough complaining. This is a scorecards thread, so please submit your scorecards and be as rude about promoters, Judges and fighters as you like. The following is my scorecard. It is a work of art, I know. You may agree, disagree, or ignore as you like. Thank you.

1. Lara
2. Lara
3. Lara
4. Canelo
5. Canelo
6. Canelo
7. Canelo
8. Lara
9. Lara
10. Lara
11. Lara
12. Canelo

Overall: 115-113 Lara

[Hulk]

Having now watched the fight properly I have reached the following conclusions. My first observation is that Levi Martinez should be immediately arrested. 117-111 is an insane scorecard and apparently he reached that scorecard having given Lara the 12th, which if Lara did win that round, it was by far his least convincing won round. Levi Martinez, you really didn't see at least a number of rounds where Lara did actually outbox Canelo? You have a lot to answer for once you start to comedown from that Oscar powder kick you were on. Looking at the punchstats too, I think Canelo outlanded Lara in only 3 of the 12 rounds. Now admittedly, there were a lot of close rounds, but how on earth can you score 117-111 in a fight where the man you favour landed more in only 3 rounds? The man was clearly not awake and must be banned from all future fights. And so should Delahoya as I hate him and his orange faced creepiness. Overall I had Lara winning and the immediate avoidance of a rematch is a shameful move considering that Canelo lost the fight.

That's enough complaining. This is a scorecards thread, so please submit your scorecards and be as rude about promoters, Judges and fighters as you like. The following is my scorecard. It is a work of art, I know. You may agree, disagree, or ignore as you like. Thank you.

1. Lara
2. Lara
3. Lara
4. Canelo
5. Canelo
6. Canelo
7. Canelo
8. Lara
9. Lara
10. Lara
11. Lara
12. Canelo

Overall: 115-113 Lara

You have a fine scorecard there Miles.

I actually thought Lara won the 11th n 12 the but I have Canelo the 9th or 10th I can't recall which.

Rest of your rounds match mine.

[Gandalf]

The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.

[Lineal]

115-113 for Canelo. Very close fight. I can see how others scored a draw or close win for Lara

[armin]

Nothing funky at all about the decision, yeah you can say lara outlanded canelo in the majority of the rounds by like 2 punches, majority of lara's punches were jabs, canelo's were powerpunches and when they are only of by a few punches I tend to favor the guy landing powershots, don't put to much stock in em but here they are

Canelo-Lara - Compubox

Also media was split on who won 34 canelo, 30 lara, 25 had it a draw per @fightscorecolletor 's work www.boxingnewsonline.net/opinion-split-in-boxing-media-on-who-won-the-saul-canelo-alvarez-erislandy-lara-showdown/. Seriously that was a perfectly good decision and I had it a bit wider than most for canelo and as I said previously was not at all invested in the fight. Also I think lara forgets that he himself got an actualy shitty decision go his way against molina...

Also nobody seemingly seems to agree on which round belonged to which fighter with the exception of first few, hence you end up with a 117-111 score. The scores seem to have ranged from 117-113/116-112 Canelo to 116-112 Lara.

I had it 8-4 Canelo, giving lara 1 3 10 11

[Gandalf]

I've no issues with a draw or a slight edge either way. My only issue is the wide card and team Canelo running away from a rematch in a fight half believe he lost. You just don't do that if you have any integrity.

[Violent Demise]

The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.

Boxing is a business. The way this fight played out in terms of excitement, I doubt many would want to pay to watch it again

[Gandalf]

The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.

Boxing is a business. The way this fight played out in terms of excitement, I doubt many would want to pay to watch it again

True, but that's not how fans should be looking at things. We approach it as people who appreciate boxing and shouldn't allow ourselves to see things through Oscar eyes (and they were twitchy, lizard person eyes last weekend. Shudder. Eww). Canelo can generate more excitement and thrills by fighting someone who will stand in front of him, but it doesn't avoid a non result such as this. When limitations are shown a determined proud fighter rematches to show that the limitations were not real. Mayweather for instance (I'm a long term critic, but credit where credit is due) is doing that for the second time. I just find it ironic that a fighter can say 'He runs and should learn to fight' and then in actuality then run away from a fight himself having shown limitations as a boxer. It's just asking for the decent thing to be done. Fight him again, improve your footwork, break his body, knock him out....then fight someone who will stand in front of you like set of pins for bowling alley kicks. But do the right thing. It is a business though, granted.

[ruthless rocco]

The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.

Boxing is a business. The way this fight played out in terms of excitement, I doubt many would want to pay to watch it again

True, but that's not how fans should be looking at things. We approach it as people who appreciate boxing and shouldn't allow ourselves to see things through Oscar eyes (and they were twitchy, lizard person eyes last weekend. Shudder. Eww). Canelo can generate more excitement and thrills by fighting someone who will stand in front of him, but it doesn't avoid a non result such as this. When limitations are shown a determined proud fighter rematches to show that the limitations were not real. Mayweather for instance (I'm a long term critic, but credit where credit is due) is doing that for the second time. I just find it ironic that a fighter can say 'He runs and should learn to fight' and then in actuality then run away from a fight himself having shown limitations as a boxer. It's just asking for the decent thing to be done. Fight him again, improve your footwork, break his body, knock him out....then fight someone who will stand in front of you like set of pins for bowling alley kicks. But do the right thing. It is a business though, granted.

Lara said he was gonna take Canelo to school. Landing 10 lousy jabs more and running away for 2.5 minutes of each round isn't a boxing lesson.

The person who got schooled was Lara. He learned that you have to actually try to fight to win a fight.

[Violent Demise]

The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.

Boxing is a business. The way this fight played out in terms of excitement, I doubt many would want to pay to watch it again

True, but that's not how fans should be looking at things. We approach it as people who appreciate boxing and shouldn't allow ourselves to see things through Oscar eyes (and they were twitchy, lizard person eyes last weekend. Shudder. Eww). Canelo can generate more excitement and thrills by fighting someone who will stand in front of him, but it doesn't avoid a non result such as this. When limitations are shown a determined proud fighter rematches to show that the limitations were not real. Mayweather for instance (I'm a long term critic, but credit where credit is due) is doing that for the second time. I just find it ironic that a fighter can say 'He runs and should learn to fight' and then in actuality then run away from a fight himself having shown limitations as a boxer. It's just asking for the decent thing to be done. Fight him again, improve your footwork, break his body, knock him out....then fight someone who will stand in front of you like set of pins for bowling alley kicks. But do the right thing. It is a business though, granted.

Yeah I get you. But keep in mind. It was Lara who crashed Alvarez's post conference asking for the fight. It was Lara who said the fight was personal and he had no respect for Alvarez. It was Lara who said he would dominate and stop Alvarez. Yet it was Lara who spent most of the fight retreating, avoiding exchanges. A fighter runs his mouth that much in what he considers the biggest fight of his career you would think he would do more