What are your Pet Peeves with ESPN?

[Beanflicker]

Maybe I'm in the minority (no pun intended), but I don't even see Native American Indians when I say the name Washington Redskins. It's just a team name. A very old, storied, traditional team name. Much like the Green Bay Packers, Cleveland Browns, New York Giants. Maybe back then a few narrow minds intended for the name to be offensive. But that was back then. Nowadays I seriously doubt anything offensive is intended by keeping the name. Where's it all gonna stop? I hear you Bean.... but I for one would be against changing the name.

Racism is something that goes beyond a team name. It has to do with attitudes, behavior toward others, prejudices, etc. Once we open that Pandora's box and yield to the special interest groups Lyle alluded to, it's open season on every frigging name, logo, slogan, whatever that people want to change just for the hell of it.

I hear ya, and I'm usually on the other side defending people from the racial witch hunt that everyone seems to like to participate in now a days.

There's no getting away from the Native imagery of the Redskins though, the team logo is the feathers and a picture of a Native. The PC police think EVERYTHING is racist and inappropriate and a lot of times it's very tempting to go against them just for the sake of it, but I do think they have a point in this case with the term Redskin. There's no way you could call a Native a "redskin" without in being offensive, and I haven't seen any arguments for keeping it other than "it's always been this way and I like it". Enough Native tribes have come out and spoke against it to where it's a legit issue. I think the reasonable thing to do would be to keep the Native imagery and change the name to something that isn't offensive and is more of a tribute to the Natives, like the Braves or Blackhawks. I just feel like these people are holding out because of stubbornness, because they would have to admit they were wrong. Nobody would stand for the "Harlem Darkies", and society wouldn't tolerate any other ethnic group being referred to as "(insert colour here) skins". You can't call black people "darkies", or Asians "yellow skins".

It just seems like a silly war to fight.

[TitoFan]

Maybe I'm in the minority (no pun intended), but I don't even see Native American Indians when I say the name Washington Redskins. It's just a team name. A very old, storied, traditional team name. Much like the Green Bay Packers, Cleveland Browns, New York Giants. Maybe back then a few narrow minds intended for the name to be offensive. But that was back then. Nowadays I seriously doubt anything offensive is intended by keeping the name. Where's it all gonna stop? I hear you Bean.... but I for one would be against changing the name.

Racism is something that goes beyond a team name. It has to do with attitudes, behavior toward others, prejudices, etc. Once we open that Pandora's box and yield to the special interest groups Lyle alluded to, it's open season on every frigging name, logo, slogan, whatever that people want to change just for the hell of it.

I hear ya, and I'm usually on the other side defending people from the racial witch hunt that everyone seems to like to participate in now a days.

There's no getting away from the Native imagery of the Redskins though, the team logo is the feathers and a picture of a Native. The PC police think EVERYTHING is racist and inappropriate and a lot of times it's very tempting to go against them just for the sake of it, but I do think they have a point in this case with the term Redskin. There's no way you could call a Native a "redskin" without in being offensive, and I haven't seen any arguments for keeping it other than "it's always been this way and I like it". Enough Native tribes have come out and spoke against it to where it's a legit issue. I think the reasonable thing to do would be to keep the Native imagery and change the name to something that isn't offensive and is more of a tribute to the Natives, like the Braves or Blackhawks. I just feel like these people are holding out because of stubbornness, because they would have to admit they were wrong. Nobody would stand for the "Harlem Darkies", and society wouldn't tolerate any other ethnic group being referred to as "(insert colour here) skins". You can't call black people "darkies", or Asians "yellow skins".

It just seems like a silly war to fight.

I'll say this:

If the name had just come up for a new team, I'd be right up front decrying how racist it all is. But at this point in time, when I'm pretty sure zero percent of the people harbor racist feelings toward those with Native American Indian heritage..... it just seems a bit over-the-top for me.

It's a timing issue for me, I guess.

[El Kabong]

I'd be saying it was racist if it was for a NEW team as well. Point is that the people who support changing the name are a teeny tiny group of people who are ALWAYS bitching about something and their happiness(they're never happy) is moment to moment if at all. Meaning that once they change the Redskins mascot to a potato or something they'd be after the next cause du jour be it FSU or the Blackhawks or whoever.


I just HATE the PC brigade they're a constant irritant

[nmc231295]

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