Freddie Roach great trainer: Overated, Underated or Truly Great?

[jon09]

In my opinion what makes a great trainer is someone who has trained a fighter or fighters from the ground up to a world title. Steward, Futch and Sdunek have done it and I'm not sure Roach has. I think he is a very good trainer but not quite in the same class as those men.

[mikeeod]

I think Freddie is a great trainer, and definitely don't think he is underrated. James Toney, Manny, and Cotto all fought well with him in their corners. It's like saying Manny Steward wasn't great because Jermain Taylor fought like shit during their time together. Roach, Manny Steward, Eddie Futch, Bouie Fisher, Georgie Benton, brother Naz, and both Mayweathers are/were great trainers. All have had failures, because that is fighting, but all taught pupils a style that brought them to an elite level.

If we are talking overrated boxing trainers my #1 poster boy is Teddy Atlas. He's an overrated commentator in my opinion as well. If we are talking overrated regardless of discipline, I have Steven Seagal as #1 hype job.

[Batman]

I think Freddie is a great trainer, and definitely don't think he is underrated. James Toney, Manny, and Cotto all fought well with him in their corners. It's like saying Manny Steward wasn't great because Jermain Taylor fought like shit during their time together. Roach, Manny Steward, Eddie Futch, Bouie Fisher, Georgie Benton, brother Naz, and both Mayweathers are/were great trainers. All have had failures, because that is fighting, but all taught pupils a style that brought them to an elite level.

If we are talking overrated boxing trainers my #1 poster boy is Teddy Atlas. He's an overrated commentator in my opinion as well. If we are talking overrated regardless of discipline, I have Steven Seagal as #1 hype job.

Teddy atlas is not a trainer

He's a fucking fireman

[Master]

Merged the thread

[ruthless rocco]

Initially I thought he was fortunate to get Virgil Hill, James Toney and Manny Pacquiao.
First time I really paid attention he was in the corner of a guy named Justin Juuko.
I am VERY impressed with the list below. I didn't know he worked with so many greats.

But how many fighters did he rear and mold? His work with Hopkins he lost. Same with DLH, Cotto and now Postal.


United Kingdom British −Amir Khan Light Welterweight
Philippines Filipino −Ana Julaton(w) Super Bantamweight
Mexico Mexican Andy Ruiz Heavyweight
Philippines Filipino Dennis Bautista Featherweight
Republic of Ireland Irish −Bernard Dunne Super Bantamweight
United States American −Bernard Hopkins Light Heavyweight
Philippines Filipino Bobby Pacquiao Lightweight
United States American Brian Minto Cruiserweight
United States American −Brian Viloria Flyweight
United Kingdom British Craig McEwan Middleweight
United States American Daniel Jacobs Middleweight
United States American David Rodela Super Featherweight
Russia Russian −Dimitri Kirilov Super Flyweight
Philippines Filipino Diosdado Gabi Bantamweight
United States American Efrain Esquivias, Jr. Super Bantamweight
United States American −Frankie Liles Super Middleweight
United Kingdom British −Gary Stretch Super Welterweight
Cuba Cuban *Guillermo Rigondeaux Super Bantamweight
Philippines Filipino −Gerry Peñalosa Bantamweight
Mexico Mexican −Israel Vasquez Super Bantamweight
United States American −James Toney Heavyweight
Republic of Ireland Irish Jamie Kavanagh Lightweight
Canada Canadian -Jean Pascal Light heavyweight
Denmark Danish −Johnny Bredahl Bantamweight
United States American −Johnny Tapia Bantamweight
Venezuela Venezuelan −Jorge Linares Lightweight
United States American José Benavidez Light Welterweight
Mexico Mexican Juan Lazcano Lightweight
Mexico Mexican −Julio César Chávez, Jr. Middleweight
Armenia Armenian Kahren Harutyunyan Bantamweight
Nigeria Nigerian Kingsley Ikeke Super Middleweight
Nigeria Nigerian Lateef Kayode Cruiserweight
Netherlands Dutch −Lucia Rijker(w) Light Welterweight
Philippines Filipino -Manny Pacquiao Welterweight
United States American −Marlon Starling Welterweight
Philippines Filipino Michael Domingo Bantamweight
Philippines Filipino Michael Farenas Super Featherweight
United States American − Michael Moorer Light Heavyweight
United States American Mickey Rourke Light Heavyweight
Puerto Rico Puerto Rican *Miguel Cotto Middleweight
United States American −Mike Tyson Heavyweight
United States American −Oscar De La Hoya Welterweight Only for his fight with Mayweather (2007).
Jamaica Jamaican −O'Neil Bell Cruiserweight
United States American Peter Manfredo Jr. Middleweight
United States American Peter Quillin Middleweight
United States American Frankie Gómez Junior Welterweight
Mexico Mexican Raymundo Beltrán Lightweight
Philippines Filipino Rey Bautista Featherweight
Russia Russian −Roman Karmazin Light Heavyweight
Russia Russian Ruslan Provodnikov Light Welterweight
Republic of Ireland Irish −Steve Collins Super Middleweight
Armenia Armenian Vanes Martirosyan Super Welterweight
United States American −Virgil Hill Light Heavyweight
Northern Ireland Northern Irish −Wayne McCullough Featherweight
Ukraine Ukrainian *Wladimir Klitschko Heavyweight (former assistant trainer)
Nigeria Nigerian Wale Omotoso Welterweight
United States American Willie Jorrin Super Bantamweight
China Chinese Zou Shiming Flyweight


Excuse the cut n paste job

What's Freddie's win/loss record with all these fights?

[SlimTrae]

That's too great a task for me!!!!!!!

[SlimTrae]

And these are the known fighters.

Justin Juuko isn't on here.

[El Kabong]

I think Freddy Roach is a special case in that he had worked with Futch as an unpaid assistant for a while. Mickey Rourke fell into his lap via Chuck Vito and Mickey paid for The Wild Card Gym and all the equipment. Freddie Roach has talent as a trainer, he's not the best but he's not the worst. But I think the biggest thing he has going is The Wild Card Gym and that is due to Mickey Rourke being one of his first boxers.

That gym attracts talent, maybe as much talent as Roach attracts. I wonder if other trainers had such nice gyms what talents they could develop.

[greynotsoold]

I think Freddy Roach is a special case in that he had worked with Futch as an unpaid assistant for a while. Mickey Rourke fell into his lap via Chuck Vito and Mickey paid for The Wild Card Gym and all the equipment. Freddie Roach has talent as a trainer, he's not the best but he's not the worst. But I think the biggest thing he has going is The Wild Card Gym and that is due to Mickey Rourke being one of his first boxers.

That gym attracts talent, maybe as much talent as Roach attracts. I wonder if other trainers had such nice gyms what talents they could develop.

About 98% of all work in boxing is unpaid.
The Wild Card is not some sparkling facility, at least not when I was there. The gym where Omar Figueroa trains is nicer, in terms of equipment and space.