Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook

[Primo Carnera]

propaganda


I'm not pleading for him to return


he beat canelo in a shit fight and he beat pac in a shit fight, neither canelo nor pac were to blame for the shitness of the fights


yeah he is good but his fights are shit


hes very lucky that through his career American boxing was at a low in terms of talent and he was the only really good fighter they had

So who is watchable in your opinion?

lots and lots of fighters


If you enjoy mayweathers fights that's fine


I just think they are shit, yes you could argue its because he is so good or you could argue its because he runs, im not really arsed either way, I just find them a little bit boring and unenjoyable events


and if you are about to accuse me of not appreciating the sweet science, then I don't agree with that either, i think he lands just enough to win rounds


i'm a boxing fan and i like to see people punched in the face a lot more often than the regularity that people are punched in the face in mayweather fights

So Floyd needs to get punched in the face more for you to enjoy it? I think Floyd punches the opposition in the face enough. In fact, in the Pacquiao fight, after the first couple of rounds , Pac got hesitant after he felt Floyd's punches. Everyone says he's got no power, but I think he's got enough to make people think twice about walking him down.
The art is to hit and not get hit, and he does that better than anyone else in recent times.
Strange how Ali never used to get accused of running in his prime, but hey ho.

[powerpuncher]

Can we all at least admit GGGs defense is awful because he has 0 head movement or do we deny the obvious because GGG

His defense is his biggest weakness, but fortunately he has a solid chin. He can take a punch to give a punch which has worked out for him thus far. You can't be good at everything.

Floyd is good at everything.

I'm not sure if that's sarcastic or not but he doesn't have great power (even at lighter weights) and has trouble when fighters really pressure him against the ropes.

[X]

Ali was always accused of being a runner with no power. He was criticised for fighting hand picked opposition, for being open to a left hook, for leaning back from punches and for having no heart.

This lasted until after he was heavyweight champ. The Liston fights made believers of some people but it was only a couple of years after that the criticism of him as a fighter died down.

Of course, h then had about five years criticism for his politics and for his personality and character outside the ring.

[imp]

Can we all at least admit GGGs defense is awful because he has 0 head movement or do we deny the obvious because GGG

His defense is his biggest weakness, but fortunately he has a solid chin. He can take a punch to give a punch which has worked out for him thus far. You can't be good at everything.

Floyd is good at everything.

I'm not sure if that's sarcastic or not but he doesn't have great power (even at lighter weights) and has trouble when fighters really pressure him against the ropes.

Come on powerpuncher!

Don't sound like everyone else!

Really? Power?!

49 opponents and probably 40 of those opponents had more power than floyd...stop nit picking..accept the reality and realise that skills win fights and a great boxer beats a great fighter everytime.

JC was a great boxer and beat everyone...including loads of opponents that had more power than him..Andre ward is the same.

After Andre beats kovalev and drops a few pounds to destroy GGG we can have this discussion again and what power made to these undefeated legends.!

[powerpuncher]

Can we all at least admit GGGs defense is awful because he has 0 head movement or do we deny the obvious because GGG

His defense is his biggest weakness, but fortunately he has a solid chin. He can take a punch to give a punch which has worked out for him thus far. You can't be good at everything.

Floyd is good at everything.

I'm not sure if that's sarcastic or not but he doesn't have great power (even at lighter weights) and has trouble when fighters really pressure him against the ropes.

Come on powerpuncher!

Don't sound like everyone else!

Really? Power?!

49 opponents and probably 40 of those opponents had more power than floyd...stop nit picking..accept the reality and realise that skills win fights and a great boxer beats a great fighter everytime.

JC was a great boxer and beat everyone...including loads of opponents that had more power than him..Andre ward is the same.

After Andre beats kovalev and drops a few pounds to destroy GGG we can have this discussion again and what power made to these undefeated legends.!

I'm confused. My point is that everyone has a weakness. I agree that Floyd is great and that his lack of power was made up for by his various other skills. Maybe I was just confused by your comment that Floyd is good at everything. I mean, you just admitted that most of his opponents had more power than him right?

So I'm going to say we agree but somehow got misinterpreted

[p4pking]

Floyd wasn't a light puncher though, if he were he would've struggled a lot more with many of his later and heavier opponents. He wasn't heavy handed and obviously didn't sell out for his punch ever, but there's no way a good few guys wouldn't have fought him with more abandon if he literally couldn't punch, absolutely no way. If you watch the fights closely it's freaking obvious he wasn't some featherfist, but whatever suits people I guess.

[erics44]

propaganda


I'm not pleading for him to return


he beat canelo in a shit fight and he beat pac in a shit fight, neither canelo nor pac were to blame for the shitness of the fights


yeah he is good but his fights are shit


hes very lucky that through his career American boxing was at a low in terms of talent and he was the only really good fighter they had

So who is watchable in your opinion?

lots and lots of fighters


If you enjoy mayweathers fights that's fine


I just think they are shit, yes you could argue its because he is so good or you could argue its because he runs, im not really arsed either way, I just find them a little bit boring and unenjoyable events


and if you are about to accuse me of not appreciating the sweet science, then I don't agree with that either, i think he lands just enough to win rounds


i'm a boxing fan and i like to see people punched in the face a lot more often than the regularity that people are punched in the face in mayweather fights

So Floyd needs to get punched in the face more for you to enjoy it? I think Floyd punches the opposition in the face enough. In fact, in the Pacquiao fight, after the first couple of rounds , Pac got hesitant after he felt Floyd's punches. Everyone says he's got no power, but I think he's got enough to make people think twice about walking him down.
The art is to hit and not get hit, and he does that better than anyone else in recent times.
Strange how Ali never used to get accused of running in his prime, but hey ho.

I would enjoy watching Floyd get hit in the face yes


i understand the arts of boxing, and I understand floyds skills and why he has achieved so much, but his fights are still shit

[X]

I agree that Floyd is great and that his lack of power was made up for by his various other skills. Maybe I was just confused by your comment that Floyd is good at everything. I mean, you just admitted that most of his opponents had more power than him right?

I'm not sure that things are as cut and dried as that.

Boxers like Floyd, who are geared up and balanced to avoid shots and counterpunch are not set up to throw power punches. Much of their weight is 'high up' (ie they are not standing with a low centre of gravity, which generates extra power).

I would argue that this is more a function of their style than their natural power. If GGG had a fighting stance like Floyd's he would avoid many more punches but he would hit with less power. If Paulie Malignaggi squared up more like GGG he would hit with a lot more power but would sacrifice some mobility and speed.

As an amateur, GGG was a slick counterpuncher, and if you see any of his fights his entire set up, stance and weight distribution was different. Funnily enough, so was Tommy Hearns ..... The way he stood was completely different when he was a hit and run amateur. Fighting him then was like fighting a COMPLETELY different guy (something that a few opponents did say)

Many people on other threads have questioned whether Ray Leonard could punch or not. Some say not, some say he was devastating.

If you watch the first Hearns fight, when he did change from a boxer to a puncher, you will see that his entire fighting stance changed accordingly based on the tactics he was going to use. For most of the fight he was balanced on both feet, high centre of gravity etc. He morphed into a front foot, low centre of gravity, stalking puncher later in the fight.

There are probably two points I'm trying to make here;

1. Any moderately successful professional boxer can punch very hard when they want to.

2. You can predict the fight strategy and tactics of any fighter based on their fighting stance.

[imp]

Can we all at least admit GGGs defense is awful because he has 0 head movement or do we deny the obvious because GGG

His defense is his biggest weakness, but fortunately he has a solid chin. He can take a punch to give a punch which has worked out for him thus far. You can't be good at everything.

Floyd is good at everything.

I'm not sure if that's sarcastic or not but he doesn't have great power (even at lighter weights) and has trouble when fighters really pressure him against the ropes.

Come on powerpuncher!

Don't sound like everyone else!

Really? Power?!

49 opponents and probably 40 of those opponents had more power than floyd...stop nit picking..accept the reality and realise that skills win fights and a great boxer beats a great fighter everytime.

JC was a great boxer and beat everyone...including loads of opponents that had more power than him..Andre ward is the same.

After Andre beats kovalev and drops a few pounds to destroy GGG we can have this discussion again and what power made to these undefeated legends.!

I'm confused. My point is that everyone has a weakness. I agree that Floyd is great and that his lack of power was made up for by his various other skills. Maybe I was just confused by your comment that Floyd is good at everything. I mean, you just admitted that most of his opponents had more power than him right?

So I'm going to say we agree but somehow got misinterpreted

Fair enough I was a bit harsh.

I did say he was good at everything and good power is not KO power.

Post pacman we really all need to stop the hating and just accept his greatness..its that simple.

He won't get bloody and beaten in the face like a fake rocky movie..this is real life where Apollo creed is undefeated and just as flashy.

I can happily admit that the berto and pac fight was not as enjoyable as the canelo fight but Floyd is about not taking punishment..are we saying it's cool to get beaten up rather than slip, avoid or counter?

Floyd is your favourite boxers favourite boxer.

[powerpuncher]

Hey, I'm one of the few who enjoyed watching him fight. I wasn't a fan of him personally, but I enjoyed watching his greatness in the ring.

[erics44]

Hey, I'm one of the few who enjoyed watching him fight. I wasn't a fan of him personally, but I enjoyed watching his greatness in the ring.

sounds like you were a fan of him personally to me

[powerpuncher]

Hey, I'm one of the few who enjoyed watching him fight. I wasn't a fan of him personally, but I enjoyed watching his greatness in the ring.

sounds like you were a fan of him personally to me

As in I think that his personal life is a mess and he does things that hurt others, but I enjoy watching his fights despite that.

[Paul Kevin]

i like brook but both are world class fighters lets wait and watch

[Mark TKO]

Anyone got a YouTube link to the full fight ?

I was in Italy and watched it a bit pissed. Best link I can find doesn't have first round on.

And I've got rid of sky sports as refusing to contribute to the modern day footballers lifestyle....

[Batman]

Anyone got a YouTube link to the full fight ?

I was in Italy and watched it a bit pissed. Best link I can find doesn't have first round on.

And I've got rid of sky sports as refusing to contribute to the modern day footballers lifestyle....

You can get a torrent of it on KickAss, just google brook vs GGG torrent and a fair few options come up