GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR

[ElTerribleMorales]

he dominated and destroyed Chris Byrd and made the much over hyped Samuel Peter look like a chump, you gotta give him credit, and admit that he's the best of all the heavy's right now

[SalTheButcher]

Who in top10 should ever be better than Wlad or Vitali?

Should he take a rematch with Sam Peter & beat him without the excessive holding and a ref who has the balls to warn, take points and disqualify him if he does, then he will earn my respect and as well as many other I know. I don't really know how good a (BOXER) he really is because of that. This is BOXING not UFC or WRESTLING.

Clinching is a tool in boxing, and most true boxing finatics don't expect a casual fan like yourself to take to it all that well - rightfully so. I personally see the brilliance of it and yeah there was a time when Wlad didn't do it at all but he does now and it wins him fights over guys like Byrd and Peter.

If Ruiz fought Wlad and beat him the same way with holding I bet you'd be all over the holding

i know you gotta be able to see the difference between the way they utilize holding

[Hulk]

First off there ain't no such thing as "tactical holding", that's a fukin joke. HBO invented that term to make the big doofus look good even while holding and jumping up and coming down on guys necks at the same time. Sucker did look good, if you are into that sort of thing :P, against Byrd. Dominated him even. But let's examine something, Byrd's strategy. He came in with little to no head movement, rarely throwing punches. If that's not askin for it I don't know what is. Terrible gameplan for Byrd. He shoulda ran, moved, and tired da Klit out. But he thought he could out power a guy that was a whole lot bigger than him. Give the dummy credit though, he is tuff as hell, took a beating.

[El Kabong]

So what's the problem? It's Klitschko HATERS now cheer for him vs Rahman or Toney but give the guy some props he's got no chin, got no stamina, he gets scared....blah blah blah, you know he just wrecked Chris Byrd an older Byrd but either way he looked DOMINANT and that is what the heavyweight division needs and you still complain.

Wlad Klitschko will beat anyone out there if he fought the way he fought vs Byrd. Sam Peter wants a rematch well that's just fine and dandy I'm sure Wlad will be up to hand out another ass whippin and you KNOW he'll KO Peter in a rematch, Sam is one sided and Wlad have been through the fire with him and he'd beat him senseless. Beating Brock won't be AS good as avenging the loss vs Brewster or fighting rival Lyahkovich but Brock is undefeated and Wlad is going to fight and BEAT the best out there

[Klitsfan]

First off there ain't no such thing as "tactical holding", that's a fukin joke. HBO invented that term to make the big doofus look good even while holding and jumping up and coming down on guys necks at the same time. Sucker did look good, if you are into that sort of thing :P, against Byrd. Dominated him even. But let's examine something, Byrd's strategy. He came in with little to no head movement, rarely throwing punches. If that's not askin for it I don't know what is. Terrible gameplan for Byrd. He shoulda ran, moved, and tired da Klit out. But he thought he could out power a guy that was a whole lot bigger than him. Give the dummy credit though, he is tuff as hell, took a beating.

Lewis did the same thing!So did Ali for that matter.Are you going to give them sh.t for it too?

[Purist]

First off there ain't no such thing as "tactical holding", that's a fukin joke. HBO invented that term to make the big doofus look good even while holding and jumping up and coming down on guys necks at the same time. Sucker did look good, if you are into that sort of thing :P, against Byrd. Dominated him even. But let's examine something, Byrd's strategy. He came in with little to no head movement, rarely throwing punches. If that's not askin for it I don't know what is. Terrible gameplan for Byrd. He shoulda ran, moved, and tired da Klit out. But he thought he could out power a guy that was a whole lot bigger than him. Give the dummy credit though, he is tuff as hell, took a beating.

Lewis did the same thing!So did Ali for that matter.Are you going to give them sh.t for it too?

Ali did it post 33-34. he also did it against some guy to prove he could take body shots.

[mokele]

First off there ain't no such thing as "tactical holding", that's a fukin joke.

I beg to differ. Based on what I've seen in the ring, it's apparent that Emanuel Steward has for years been teaching many of his taller outside boxers to only tie up inside. He did it with Thomas Hearns, Hilmer Kenty, Lennox Lewis and most recently with Wladimir Klitschko. Mark my words: He will do it again with Jermain Taylor. Personally I don't like it since it takes away from the entertainment of boxing and rewards guys who can't (or won't) fight on the inside, but as Lennox Lewis once said, when asked about a different illegal ring tactic "Go ahead and do it until the referee warns you." If a guy has a weak chin or can't defend inside without holding, then Steward's coaching makes sense even if boxing fans end up frustrated (like me!). Personally I think that holding is a sad and loathesome substitute for genuine infighting skills (both offence and defence) but it will be part of boxing until the day arrives when referees seriously clamp down on it.

[Purist]

Holding is all good and well but the weakness to Emanuel's style is. What happens when his trainee's opponent can fight him better at the distance that Stewart wants to keep the opponent at?

[Klitsfan]

First off there ain't no such thing as "tactical holding", that's a fukin joke.

I beg to differ. Based on what I've seen in the ring, it's apparent that Emanuel Steward has for years been teaching many of his taller outside boxers to only tie up inside. He did it with Thomas Hearns, Hilmer Kenty, Lennox Lewis and most recently with Wladimir Klitschko. Mark my words: He will do it again with Jermain Taylor. Personally I don't like it since it takes away from the entertainment of boxing and rewards guys who can't (or won't) fight on the inside, but as Lennox Lewis once said, when asked about a different illegal ring tactic "Go ahead and do it until the referee warns you." If a guy has a weak chin or can't defend inside without holding, then Steward's coaching makes sense even if boxing fans end up frustrated (like me!). Personally I think that holding is a sad and loathesome substitute for genuine infighting skills (both offence and defence) but it will be part of boxing until the day arrives when referees seriously clamp down on it.

Tall fighters like Lewis and Wladimir do their best work on the outside because of their reach.It is not that they don't have good infighting skills it has to do with getting extension on their punches and that is almost imposible on the inside unless you have shorter arms.Why don't you think Tyson didn't fight on the outside.They are just playing to their strenghts and that is what a smart fighter does.

[mucho testosterone]

he didn't KO Byrd, the fight was stopped. Secondly, Ibeabuchi did it in Byrd's prime. Third, I don't hate Wlad. I like Wlad and would root for him against Rahman or most other heavyweights. I just don't like the fact that people are acting like he beat Lennox Lewis or something. He beat a guy who probably should have more loses on his record and was ready to go. It's a win for Wlad, but let's not make it out to be more then what it is.

Fightbeat

He beat a guy that no one has convincingly beaten in the end.

He beat a guy that had a belt & he knocked his a** out...however you want to deemphasize that...you may try.

Again...he beat a guy that was marketed as the savior of the heavyweight division, he then beat a champion that no one else was able to beat, & everyone had Wlad written out of the picture.

If you want to bash him into the ground...then have fun...but Wlad's got as many ups as he does down...you just neglect to bring that to the page.

Really? Why do you reject the Ibeabuchi destruction? I think Golota beat him good too.

nobody denies he beat a guy with the belt.

I'm not sure how I bashed him? I said he made 100 excuses why he lost- fact
he held for Peter like crazy - fact
he lost to a golfer - fact

is he legit - maybe
does he have a good right hand - yes
does he have something to prove - yes

FightBeat.com

"lennox we miss you" ?? WTF is that?

Lets here you say that Wlad is the most talented heavy out there...and if you don't believe that then name one who is more talented....

SOOO MANY people out there not even one year ago were saying that Wlad was S*** becasue he had no chin, then it was something about his stamina, and so he accepted a fight with one of the heaviest punchers in the division (one that everyone was ready to crown the new division savior) and he dismantled this guys offense, took a punch flush on the back of the head and the chin, got up went 12 rounds to dominate and prove everyone wrong........AND SO NOW HIS PROBLEM IS THAT HE HOLDS TOO MUCH BEFORE HE DECAPITATES HIS OPPONENTS??

Tell me, whats it going to be next year, the color of his trunks People are always finding stuff to hate about this guy.

I remember when Holyfield, my all time favorite fighter, beat Tyson....his strategy was to hold Tyson when he got too close and walk him to the ropes. He did more holding in that fight then Wladimir did in his last two fights yet everyone called Holy a genius for implementing that strategy.


Nothing wrong with disliking a fighter but at least have the nads to admit it.


Yes, your article was one sided, yes everyone can see through it

[Purist]

I remember when Holyfield, my all time favorite fighter, beat Tyson....his strategy was to hold Tyson when he got too close and walk him to the ropes. He did more holding in that fight then Wladimir did in his last two fights yet everyone called Holy a genius for implementing that strategy.

Because Holyfield was the underdog and they wanted him to beat Tyson. yet when he did things similar they also called him "not real"

[mucho testosterone]

I remember when Holyfield, my all time favorite fighter, beat Tyson....his strategy was to hold Tyson when he got too close and walk him to the ropes. He did more holding in that fight then Wladimir did in his last two fights yet everyone called Holy a genius for implementing that strategy.

Because Holyfield was the underdog and they wanted him to beat Tyson. yet when he did things similar they also called him "not real"

Really, cause I don't remember Holy catching flak over that, I remember people giving him a hard time about fighting in spurts towards the end of his career though.


My point is this........how do you get to write articles for a boxing forum that are that bias??

It seems to me that if you are writing articles to inform the public of a sports event that has transpired, you have to put your personal bias' and favoritisms aside, or at least make them a little more subtle which is exaclty the opposite of what this guy did.

And you got to love it when the guy says that Corrie Sanders is a golfer who beat Wlad so this somehow is supposed to lessen Wlads credibility??

Yes, Corrie Sanders had one of the most powerful left hands in the business at the time and his record is full of wins by KO in the first 2 rounds.

Yes, Wlad should have won that fight and it was not a highpoint in his career but don't make it sound like he got beat by Arnold Palmer or Tiger Woods or some shat......the guy golfs on the side for sakes!

This guy either didn't watch the fight or doesn't really understand boxing

[Purist]

Because Wladimer had option to fight Brewster or fight Byrd and he chose to fight Byrd in a rematch of a fight he had easily won before instead of rematching the guy who stopped him.

If the writer was gonna put anything he should have put that if he was gonna flak on Wladimer

[mucho testosterone]

Because Wladimer had option to fight Brewster or fight Byrd and he chose to fight Byrd in a rematch of a fight he had easily won before instead of rematching the guy who stopped him.

If the writer was gonna put anything he should have put that if he was gonna flak on Wladimer

Woa .......not so fast, first of all, Brewster was not jumping at the opportunity to fight Wlad. Secondly, Brester is a King fighter and if you haven't noticed King avoids Klitchko's like the plague.

Judging from what Wlad did to Byrd, Brester should count his blessings.

[SalTheButcher]

also, if he beat brewster there would be NO end to byrd as he would never have gotten a fight with him