Hopkins or Roy Jones!!!

[Gandalf]

Roy Jones was the most gifted fighter of this era sure and was a treat
to watch but needed a bigger heart

beating Tarver the first time took LOADS of heart So did beating Hopkins with a broken right hand(which was broken before the fight happened) beating Telasco with a fractured wrist and NOT pulling out of the third tarver fight despite a broken right hand. These are the kind of things Joe Calzaghe pulls out of fights about

Why bring Calzaghe's name into it??

This is only opinion but I think prime Hopkins against prime Jones Jr results in a slender decision for Hopkins.....

[JonesJrMayweather]

Roy Jones was the most gifted fighter of this era sure and was a treat
to watch but needed a bigger heart

beating Tarver the first time took LOADS of heart So did beating Hopkins with a broken right hand(which was broken before the fight happened) beating Telasco with a fractured wrist and NOT pulling out of the third tarver fight despite a broken right hand. These are the kind of things Joe Calzaghe pulls out of fights about

Why bring Calzaghe's name into it??

This is only opinion but I think prime Hopkins against prime Jones Jr results in a slender decision for Hopkins.....

so what were they when they fought the first time? amateur?

[tuckwopat]

hands down roy jones...everyone is still hyped because hop beat up the loud mouth tarver...give it until the next big fight happens and everyone will come back to reality....just after oscar beat up mayorga he was all of sudden back and ready to beat up everyone....including PBF....just wait until the high and excitement from hop beating tarver goes away those that are trying to make themselves believe that hop was close to roy will come back to reality...

So who is Jones gonna step it up against to sway the opinion? I like him, but he's lost three straight matches to boxers with lesser ability than him. Did he lose his tactical ability?

[Gandalf]

Roy Jones was the most gifted fighter of this era sure and was a treat
to watch but needed a bigger heart

beating Tarver the first time took LOADS of heart So did beating Hopkins with a broken right hand(which was broken before the fight happened) beating Telasco with a fractured wrist and NOT pulling out of the third tarver fight despite a broken right hand. These are the kind of things Joe Calzaghe pulls out of fights about

Why bring Calzaghe's name into it??

This is only opinion but I think prime Hopkins against prime Jones Jr results in a slender decision for Hopkins.....

so what were they when they fought the first time? amateur?

They were pro but hopkins didnt become as good as he could be until into his 30's....the Hopkins of the early part of this decade would have given Jones problems....

[Purist]

http://www.youtube.com/v/uIpXR7-qmCY

http://www.youtube.com/v/uIpXR7-qmCY

Here's that infamous interview

[Gandalf]

http://www.youtube.com/v/uIpXR7-qmCY

http://www.youtube.com/v/uIpXR7-qmCY

Here's that infamous interview

Hilarious at the end where they are trying to talk over each other and get the last word in

, Starr

The Calzaghe reference is now all forgiven!!!

[JonesJrMayweather]

hands down roy jones...everyone is still hyped because hop beat up the loud mouth tarver...give it until the next big fight happens and everyone will come back to reality....just after oscar beat up mayorga he was all of sudden back and ready to beat up everyone....including PBF....just wait until the high and excitement from hop beating tarver goes away those that are trying to make themselves believe that hop was close to roy will come back to reality...

So who is Jones gonna step it up against to sway the opinion? I like him, but he's lost three straight matches to boxers with lesser ability than him. Did he lose his tactical ability?

his greatness relied on reflexes and agility...he's old and the legs and reflexes are the first thing to go...and that's whats wrong with roy now...he never had proper boxing technique and now he's suffering because he can't stand and trade without his legs and reflexes.....bernard had a style that was better equipped for the long run...

Roy Jones was the most gifted fighter of this era sure and was a treat
to watch but needed a bigger heart

beating Tarver the first time took LOADS of heart So did beating Hopkins with a broken right hand(which was broken before the fight happened) beating Telasco with a fractured wrist and NOT pulling out of the third tarver fight despite a broken right hand. These are the kind of things Joe Calzaghe pulls out of fights about

Why bring Calzaghe's name into it??

This is only opinion but I think prime Hopkins against prime Jones Jr results in a slender decision for Hopkins.....

so what were they when they fought the first time? amateur?

They were pro but hopkins didnt become as good as he could be until into his 30's....the Hopkins of the early part of this decade would have given Jones problems....

prime roy jones at 100% beats bernard by UD everytime...even bernard said he knew he lost to roy...that's usually a very convincing victory when the other fighter admits it....

[Gandalf]

I concede that Hopkins lost their fight, but it wasnt as one sided as some have made out...

I maintain that the Hopkins that matured into this century could beat prime Jones Jr...

[tuckwopat]

hands down roy jones...everyone is still hyped because hop beat up the loud mouth tarver...give it until the next big fight happens and everyone will come back to reality....just after oscar beat up mayorga he was all of sudden back and ready to beat up everyone....including PBF....just wait until the high and excitement from hop beating tarver goes away those that are trying to make themselves believe that hop was close to roy will come back to reality...

So who is Jones gonna step it up against to sway the opinion? I like him, but he's lost three straight matches to boxers with lesser ability than him. Did he lose his tactical ability?

his greatness relied on reflexes and agility...he's old and the legs and reflexes are the first thing to go...and that's whats wrong with roy now...he never had proper boxing technique and now he's suffering because he can't stand and trade without his legs and reflexes.....bernard had a style that was better equipped for the long run...

Roy Jones was the most gifted fighter of this era sure and was a treat
to watch but needed a bigger heart

beating Tarver the first time took LOADS of heart So did beating Hopkins with a broken right hand(which was broken before the fight happened) beating Telasco with a fractured wrist and NOT pulling out of the third tarver fight despite a broken right hand. These are the kind of things Joe Calzaghe pulls out of fights about

Why bring Calzaghe's name into it??

This is only opinion but I think prime Hopkins against prime Jones Jr results in a slender decision for Hopkins.....

so what were they when they fought the first time? amateur?

They were pro but hopkins didnt become as good as he could be until into his 30's....the Hopkins of the early part of this decade would have given Jones problems....

prime roy jones at 100% beats bernard by UD everytime...even bernard said he knew he lost to roy...that's usually a very convincing victory when the other fighter admits it....

As you've heard this 10 million times now, just because Roy won the match back in '93 doesn't make that outcome the overall view of the way things go in their prime, or how they'll be viewed 20 years from now.

Roy is or was great. I just hope his legacy doesn't become like Holyfields. Fighting so far past his prime that his tactical ability has become nil.

[chamiley]

Roy Jones was the most gifted fighter of this era sure and was a treat
to watch but needed a bigger heart

beating Tarver the first time took LOADS of heart So did beating Hopkins with a broken right hand(which was broken before the fight happened) beating Telasco with a fractured wrist and NOT pulling out of the third tarver fight despite a broken right hand. These are the kind of things Joe Calzaghe pulls out of fights about

What does calzaghe have to do with the argument.

[Gandalf]

Roy Jones was the most gifted fighter of this era sure and was a treat
to watch but needed a bigger heart

beating Tarver the first time took LOADS of heart So did beating Hopkins with a broken right hand(which was broken before the fight happened) beating Telasco with a fractured wrist and NOT pulling out of the third tarver fight despite a broken right hand. These are the kind of things Joe Calzaghe pulls out of fights about

What does calzaghe have to do with the argument.

Exactly. I raised that argument too.

[Snakey]

Being a fan of both, i liked hopkins floggin tarver...in a way it felt like he got revenge for roy.

[Purist]

Roy Jones was the most gifted fighter of this era sure and was a treat
to watch but needed a bigger heart

beating Tarver the first time took LOADS of heart So did beating Hopkins with a broken right hand(which was broken before the fight happened) beating Telasco with a fractured wrist and NOT pulling out of the third tarver fight despite a broken right hand. These are the kind of things Joe Calzaghe pulls out of fights about

What does calzaghe have to do with the argument.

Exactly. I raised that argument too.

I'm saying that Roy has gone into fights with a broken hadn or a fractured wrist..which are the kinds of things Calzaghe pulls out of fights for It's a testament to questioning Jones' heart

Even so, it took A LOT of heart for him to dig deep to beat Tarver the first time considering what he was up against.

[Gandalf]

Roy Jones was the most gifted fighter of this era sure and was a treat
to watch but needed a bigger heart

beating Tarver the first time took LOADS of heart So did beating Hopkins with a broken right hand(which was broken before the fight happened) beating Telasco with a fractured wrist and NOT pulling out of the third tarver fight despite a broken right hand. These are the kind of things Joe Calzaghe pulls out of fights about

What does calzaghe have to do with the argument.

Exactly. I raised that argument too.

I'm saying that Roy has gone into fights with a broken hadn or a fractured wrist..which are the kinds of things Calzaghe pulls out of fights for It's a testament to questioning Jones' heart

Even so, it took A LOT of heart for him to dig deep to beat Tarver the first time considering what he was up against.

I dont think going into a fight with a fractured wrist shows heart. I think it just reeks of poor decision making. That Jones was able to pull off the results is admirable though.

To get an injury in a fight and then still pull of the result, thats more about heart to me....it is then fight time and you have to grin and bear it and get the job done...

[chamiley]

Roy Jones was the most gifted fighter of this era sure and was a treat
to watch but needed a bigger heart

beating Tarver the first time took LOADS of heart So did beating Hopkins with a broken right hand(which was broken before the fight happened) beating Telasco with a fractured wrist and NOT pulling out of the third tarver fight despite a broken right hand. These are the kind of things Joe Calzaghe pulls out of fights about

What does calzaghe have to do with the argument.

Exactly. I raised that argument too.

I'm saying that Roy has gone into fights with a broken hadn or a fractured wrist..which are the kinds of things Calzaghe pulls out of fights for It's a testament to questioning Jones' heart

Even so, it took A LOT of heart for him to dig deep to beat Tarver the first time considering what he was up against.

It is just a case of how you perceive the sport. We see it as warriors fighting in battlefield so to pull out of a fight is seen as an act of cowardice. The Europeans see boxing for what it is, a sport. If you are not 100% going into a match then it is considered a dumb move risking your health. Peer Pressure is a bitch I believe Jones was pressured into taking the third fight with Tarver, clearly he wasn't in it to win the fight.