Does anyone here actually think Pacquaio would beat Mayweather Jr. p4p?

[Bx730NY]

this goes both ways on both pac and pbf hasn't face anyone one like eachother, pac hasn't face anyone like pbf and pbf hasn't face anyone like pac...

pac has never been against some one quick and slick like pbf, and pbf hasn't been in with a punching machine like pac. pbf whoop chico who had power but chico just stood there and got punish, for sure pac isn't gonna stand around his gonna pressure pbf. and pbf's chin hasn't been tested. its clear pac has been in with better oppenents and he has manage to reach top p4p, while pbf has had fights against slow stand still fighters.

we can talk about how superior pbf is but he hasn't been in with a great fighter. so how great is he really is, REMEMBER YOUR REALLY ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR OPPENENT.

people can say how easily pac can get hit, but does pbf hit as hard as mab jmm or em? how people can talk about how easy pac gets hit then why hasn't he been stop in his prime or coming to prime pacman. PRIME PACMAN HAS A IRON CHIN.

pbf can win by staying away and jabbing but i think eventually he'll be force to war. which pac does best.

we won't know the actual winner until they actually really fight. which is likely never to happen.

No offense but if Floyd had stayed at 130 lb he would be a monster puncher now. We think of him as not having power only because he fights 3 divisions above his natural weight.

Pacquaio has moved up several divisions too but at the low weights he didn't have the power or durability he has now.

I'd say if Mayweather had stayed as a super featherweight he would have cleaned up beating Barrera, Morales, Pacquiao and Marquez if he moved up

Those glowing words are all hypothetical while Pac has actually done those things. That's the difference.

[JT Rock]

One thing Floyd is not over Pac is a better athlete.

you got to be kidding me right Floyd Mayweather jr is probably one of the most athletically gifted athletes we have seen in the past 25 years shades of Roy Jones.. Floyds Reflexes, speed, power, anticipation, accuracey and stamina are just scratching the surface of Floyds athleticism.... Floyd dominates Pac in everyone of those Categories, so curious to see how your basing your argument

[babyboNe]

this goes both ways on both pac and pbf hasn't face anyone one like eachother, pac hasn't face anyone like pbf and pbf hasn't face anyone like pac...

pac has never been against some one quick and slick like pbf, and pbf hasn't been in with a punching machine like pac. pbf whoop chico who had power but chico just stood there and got punish, for sure pac isn't gonna stand around his gonna pressure pbf. and pbf's chin hasn't been tested. its clear pac has been in with better oppenents and he has manage to reach top p4p, while pbf has had fights against slow stand still fighters.

we can talk about how superior pbf is but he hasn't been in with a great fighter. so how great is he really is, REMEMBER YOUR REALLY ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR OPPENENT.

people can say how easily pac can get hit, but does pbf hit as hard as mab jmm or em? how people can talk about how easy pac gets hit then why hasn't he been stop in his prime or coming to prime pacman. PRIME PACMAN HAS A IRON CHIN.

pbf can win by staying away and jabbing but i think eventually he'll be force to war. which pac does best.

we won't know the actual winner until they actually really fight. which is likely never to happen.

No offense but if Floyd had stayed at 130 lb he would be a monster puncher now. We think of him as not having power only because he fights 3 divisions above his natural weight.

Pacquaio has moved up several divisions too but at the low weights he didn't have the power or durability he has now.

I'd say if Mayweather had stayed as a super featherweight he would have cleaned up beating Barrera, Morales, Pacquiao and Marquez if he moved up

yes pac has started from 106 up to now at 130, you say at the lower weight he didn't have the power or durability he has now. well thats because pacman is just coming onto prime now, and he has already defeated mab by tko, jmm by split decision if not for the judge making an scoring error, and k.o morales twice.

also you say pbf if he would of stayed at super featherweight he would of cleaned up beating mab em pac and jmm, pbf doesn't have the balls to fight all of them, pac does, and pac has proved that. pbf would never stay at one division, he only jumps weights to beat chumps and collect a....b....c titles. thats how you stay undefeated........handpicking. and thats how you fool foolish fans thinking your so good when fact is YOUR ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR OPPENENTS.

[JT Rock]

A lot of people underestimate Floyd's power.
Even though he doesn't knock you out with one punch he throws quick accurate punches.
And those quick surprising shots that you don't see affect you mentally more than big looping bombs.
They affect you in the sense that you become a lot more hesitant to let go of your own punches fearing what's coming back in return and ruins your whole gameplan.
Almost every Mayweather opponent says he's gonna cut off the ring with Mayweather and constantly press him until they wear him down. But very opponent soon realizes that every time they throw and miss, they're getting hit back.
And with Floyd's accuracy and Pac's defense, I have a feeling Floyd would wear Pac down with a tattooing sooner than Pac would wear Floyd down whenever he can land.

#91 10000000000% agreed and have made this arguement many of times with Floyds accumalative punching power, like you stated his stinging pinpoint accuracey makes you think twice about throwing cause the fear of whats coming back ... Prime example: why do you think Zab wasnt as aggressive or active as the fight wore on, cause he was getting punished by Floyd

[JT Rock]

also you say pbf if he would of stayed at super featherweight he would of cleaned up beating mab em pac and jmm, pbf doesn't have the balls to fight all of them, pac does, and pac has proved that. pbf would never stay at one division, he only jumps weights to beat chumps and collect a....b....c titles. thats how you stay undefeated........handpicking. and thats how you fool foolish fans thinking your so good when fact is YOUR ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR OPPENENTS.

Yea you got Floyd pegged on this one yep no ballz at all... I guess the fact that he will have made 18 million dollars within this 6 month period Nov06-May07 and is the linear undefeated undisputed Welterweight Champion of the world and is fighting Oscar Delahoya for his Junior Middleweight title is not a reason to climb towards bigger and better things.. Not to mention Floyd is just entering the prime of his career.

[puga_ni_nana]

The thing people forget is that Mayweather can stand toe to toe... If you want a relentless puncher look at Philip Ndou, of course he doesn't have the skill of Pacquaio, but he hit harder(not p4p), and he had just as high or higher a work rate. Mayweather destroyed him in the pocket. Pacquaio isn't a relentless fighter anymore... He does come forward all alot, but not always throw punches, and that makes openings for the fastest fighter on the planet. Mayweather can fight on the inside, or on the outside, he can take a punch, he has a terific jab, hook, cross, uppercut, and the best stamina in the business. Some might say that he doesn't have the power, but he kept Baldomir far more honest than any of us expected with his power, and he kept Gatti honest, and even Castillo in their second fight. Castillo is another relentless guy who comes forward, and he has a better chin than Pacquaio by far along with good head movement, and the first fight Mayweather had broken ribs and a torn rotator cuff and he still won the fight. I am not saying Pacquaio is good, but I see him getting a complete beat down by Mayweather, Whitaker, Judah, super featherweight ODLH, Mosley, Duran, maybe even Corrales, and definitely Casamayor. So to compare him to Mayweather p4p is absurd to me.

Good analysis. Still I reserve my judgement after the ODLH fight. By the way, I think he lost the first fight with Castillo IMO. Did you mean the second which in my opinion he convincingly won?

Yeah I believe he won the second won convincingly, and I thought he won the first one simply because he was landing way harder, and cleaner shots... Castillo landed more shots but most of them were while the two were tied up or the occasional right hand getting through. Two other fighters I didn't mention that Mayweather fought are Jesus Chavez, and Emanuel Burton. He also fought Henry Bruseles(yawn), and more impressively Demarcus Corley in close. My point is that Mayweather is a far more rounded fighter than Pacquaio, and a better athlete with a better chin.

One thing Floyd is not over Pac is a better athlete. Floyd is obviously the much sounder technical fighter. As it stands right now...Pac must be ranked higher than Floyd simply because his resume is much more impressive. He has fought 3 GREAT fighters in Morales, Barrera, and Marquez. As far as i'm concerned, Floyd has not fought one great fighter (and that includes Castillo). Does any of this mean that if Floyd and Pac fought...Floyd wouldn't win? No. But at least Pac can back up his pound for pound status with fights against great opposition.

Sure. Pac deserves to be top 3 P4P, but not number #1. Pac simply hasn't done enough yet. Pac hasn't proved that he can span weight classes and still be effective against championship level competition. Floyd is attempting his fifth weight class in May and he has fought championship level competiton in each weight class. As a boxer, he is miles ahead of Pac. People forget that actually boxing skills matter in determining P4P and no one can say that Floyd isn't the best boxer in the world. No one has his skills, but if Pac can move up to 135 and clean out that division, then "Who's #1 P4P?" becomes a valid conversation.

pac started out as a flyweight and is now a superfeather, while moving on these weight classes, he won a couple of world titles and demolishes all the great and future hall of famers in the featherweight division. imo, pac deserves #1 p4p consideration.

[AirJordanIV]

Yo JTRock, if Floyd is just entering his prime now, then why is he retiring now. I'm a huge fan of Floyd's but him retiring pisses me off. I've supported him so much and he cheats me by pulling a Barry Sanders. I want to see Floyd vs Cotto, Margarito, Judah 2, Williams, etc. Definitely interesting to imagine a fight between those two, but the question is who beats who on the P4P rankings...right? or was the question worded incorrectly.

[RozzySean]

As much as I don't like Floyd for his sissy career management and as much as I like Pacman for his style and resume, I can't see Pac getting to Floyd at all. Pac is a huge puncher at 130, but I think that at that higher weights, Floyd has survived harder hitters than Pac. I give Pac an edge in heart, but that's about it.

[JT Rock]

Haha!!! well if it isn't my anonymous sad clicker who has 0 ballz and thinks I don't know who he is

[JT Rock]

Yo JTRock, if Floyd is just entering his prime now, then why is he retiring now.

Well your prime is your prime regardless if you continue your career or not... I doubt Floyd is retireing though, this is just to generate more interest and appeal to his showdown with Delahoya as it being his self-proclaimed last fight

Oscar is just a colossal pay day and both him and Floyd will work every last angle and squeeze every last dime out of this fight from a marketing standpoint...

Floyd will be around for quite a few more years after Delahoya

[babyboNe]

also you say pbf if he would of stayed at super featherweight he would of cleaned up beating mab em pac and jmm, pbf doesn't have the balls to fight all of them, pac does, and pac has proved that. pbf would never stay at one division, he only jumps weights to beat chumps and collect a....b....c titles. thats how you stay undefeated........handpicking. and thats how you fool foolish fans thinking your so good when fact is YOUR ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR OPPENENTS.

Yea you got Floyd pegged on this one yep no ballz at all... I guess the fact that he will have made 18 million dollars within this 6 month period Nov06-May07 and is the linear undefeated undisputed Welterweight Champion of the world and is fighting Oscar Delahoya for his Junior Middleweight title is not a reason to climb towards bigger and better things.. Not to mention Floyd is just entering the prime of his career.

first of i said he doens't have the balls to fight them all, just like he didn't have to balls to shut his mouth and just fight a interesting challenge from a champion margarito. or how he kept jumping division to fight chumps and collect abc titles, pbf has never clean out a division unlike pac, pac took on the best asap at featherweights. pbf has always left out atleast very interesting fights in division to move up and just fight another chump. pbf has wasted many oppurtunity to be fighting someone hype instead he waste his times to fight another tune up to secure his undefeated record. pbf is a very low risk fighter. as a fighter low risk means less balls or noun at all. unlike a warrior.

no you say pbf is actually just entering his prime, pbf look way better in the lower weight class, pbf has slowed down actually. watch the baldomir fight he wasn't as fast and as defensive as he use to be.

bigger better things you mean bigger pay lower risk right? pbf is all about money not beating the best challenge possible.

[babyboNe]

Hahah!!! well if it isint my anonmoyus sad clicker who has 0 ballz and thinks I dont know who he is

+428 is on me, so don't you go thinking i'm like that. because i hate them no balls bastards too, my sad clicks always goes up without me knowing who because yea they are punks don't say a thing and just sad click you. i hate that.

[JT Rock]

Hahah!!! well if it isint my anonmoyus sad clicker who has 0 ballz and thinks I dont know who he is

+428 is on me, so don't you go thinking i'm like that. because i hate them no balls bastards too, my sad clicks always goes up without me knowing who because yea they are punks don't say a thing and just sad click you. i hate that.

#134 in return

[DaxxKahn]

As much as I would like to say Manny cleans Floyd's clock fact of the matter is Floyd punishes him with speed,,combos and his footwork never gives Manny a chance to corner him

[Bx730NY]

also you say pbf if he would of stayed at super featherweight he would of cleaned up beating mab em pac and jmm, pbf doesn't have the balls to fight all of them, pac does, and pac has proved that. pbf would never stay at one division, he only jumps weights to beat chumps and collect a....b....c titles. thats how you stay undefeated........handpicking. and thats how you fool foolish fans thinking your so good when fact is YOUR ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR OPPENENTS.

Yea you got Floyd pegged on this one yep no ballz at all... I guess the fact that he will have made 18 million dollars within this 6 month period Nov06-May07 and is the linear undefeated undisputed Welterweight Champion of the world and is fighting Oscar Delahoya for his Junior Middleweight title is not a reason to climb towards bigger and better things.. Not to mention Floyd is just entering the prime of his career.

first of i said he doens't have the balls to fight them all, just like he didn't have to balls to shut his mouth and just fight a interesting challenge from a champion margarito. or how he kept jumping division to fight chumps and collect abc titles, pbf has never clean out a division unlike pac, pac took on the best asap at featherweights. pbf has always left out atleast very interesting fights in division to move up and just fight another chump. pbf has wasted many oppurtunity to be fighting someone hype instead he waste his times to fight another tune up to secure his undefeated record. pbf is a very low risk fighter. as a fighter low risk means less balls or noun at all. unlike a warrior.

no you say pbf is actually just entering his prime, pbf look way better in the lower weight class, pbf has slowed down actually. watch the baldomir fight he wasn't as fast and as defensive as he use to be.

bigger better things you mean bigger pay lower risk right? pbf is all about money not beating the best challenge possible.

CC...nice post