How Do You Rank Jones, Calzaghe, and Hopkins ATGreatness As Of Now?

[Boom Boom]

I would have:
1.Hopkins
2.Jones
3.Calzaghe

I guess you could say its crazy to have B-Hop #1 of the group given he lost to both men, and I guess you could criticize Calzaghe being 3rd on the list cause he beat both men. But when it comes to overall accomplishments over their long careers Hopkins has the edge. Also considering that he arguably never really decisively lost a fight...except maybe to Jones. Prime Jones was an amazing fighter and he is clearly not the same fighter today and hasn't been since winning the heavyweight title. Calzaghe has had a great career and his biggest wins over prime opposition remain his wins against Kessler and Lacy and arguably Hopkins. He did beat RJJ and deserves some credit but it wasnt the career defining win he sought but it keeps his record unblemished and adds a good name to his resume.

I wouldnt argue any order of the greatness of these fighters because all three of them have had unbelievable careers and have made record breaking accomplishments in boxings

[ono]

I would have:
1.Hopkins
2.Jones
3.Calzaghe

I guess you could say its crazy to have B-Hop #1 of the group given he lost to both men, and I guess you could criticize Calzaghe being 3rd on the list cause he beat both men. But when it comes to overall accomplishments over their long careers Hopkins has the edge. Also considering that he arguably never really decisively lost a fight...except maybe to Jones. Prime Jones was an amazing fighter and he is clearly not the same fighter today and hasn't been since winning the heavyweight title. Calzaghe has had a great career and his biggest wins over prime opposition remain his wins against Kessler and Lacy and arguably Hopkins. He did beat RJJ and deserves some credit but it wasnt the career defining win he sought but it keeps his record unblemished and adds a good name to his resume.

I wouldnt argue any order of the greatness of these fighters because all three of them have had unbelievable careers and have made record breaking accomplishments in boxings

Throw Toney in there and you could have them in any order.

I'd say a prime Jones is still the best but that's just my opinion. Wouldn't complain about the order anyone puts them in to be honest.

[Fenster]

There's nothing wrong with Calzaghe's win over Hopkins. Hopkins showed top form before the loss and even better after. Roy beat Hopkins fair and square too.

So Hopkins is definitely 3rd.

1. Roy
2. Calzaghe
3. Hopkins

[Tysonbruno]

1.Jones
2.Hopkins
3.Calzaghe

But its a bit of a toss up between Hopkins and Jones because of his achievements at this end of his career vs Tarver,Wright,Pavlik and even his loss to Calzaghe because its debatable.

[match]

Hopkins
Calzaghe
Jones

(Calzaghe's win over Jones has nothing to do with him rated higher IMO).

[Beanflicker]

I still rank Jones higher than those guys. IMO Jones is still a top 15 ATG.

I think you that rate Joe over RJJ are fucking crazy. So victories over Lacy, Kessler, a razor thin victory over Hopkins and a win over the shell of Roy equal winning titles everywhere from MIDDLEWEIGHT to HEAVYWEIGHT?!? You have to be out of you g'damn mind. People say Roy's compedition was bad. Calzaghe's was better? Bull sh#t.

[Jody Lane]

Hopkins
Calzaghe
Jones

(Calzaghe's win over Jones has nothing to do with him rated higher IMO).

I have it in the same order as you match

[mrodub]

jones
calzage
hopkins
Come on it has to be jones a five weight world champion there has only ever been one other fighter in history to do that
calzage second depending on weather he gets out undefeated b hop close behind

[leggy]

its really tough to rank these 3 really really tough as much as i like joe

i cant decide

[match]

jones
calzage
hopkins
Come on it has to be jones a five weight world champion there has only ever been one other fighter in history to do that
calzage second depending on weather he gets out undefeated b hop close behind

I view it the same way I rank Hagler over Mosley. Shane has titles in 3 divisions, Marvin in only 1, but he ranks higher because of who he fought and beat. I actually think Joe and Roy could be interchangeable however I personally feel Roy is full of sh!t after watching him on 24/7, and simply don't believe 90% of what he says, whereas B-Hop is 100% honest and not only tells it like it is, but goes after fighters who pose great risks (something Roy and Joe seldom did).

[intoccabile]

There's nothing wrong with Calzaghe's win over Hopkins. Hopkins showed top form before the loss and even better after. Roy beat Hopkins fair and square too.

So Hopkins is definitely 3rd.

Negative. Losing to a fighter doesn't suddenly mean you are below them in rank.
Hopkins beat better opposition than calzaghe and it can be argued that he won the fight against him.

We can all argue that Hopkins/Calzaghe would beat more people than Jones can aswell.
It's pretty obvious already they can definitely reign supreme alot longer than jones.

I said this in another tread.

If One beats Three - Ten.
And Two beats One, but loses to Three through ten.
who is the better fighter? Losing to someone means absolutely nothing in the sport of boxing. Styles make fights. It's who you and the man who beat you can defeat that counts.

If you line up 50 men and make Jones, hopkins, calzaghe fight all 50.
Who would defeat them all? That's the question.

Imo, 1. Hopkins. 2. Jones. 3. Calzage. Based on accomplishments and resumes.
and hopkins longevity is also another factor.

[BIG H]

There's nothing wrong with Calzaghe's win over Hopkins. Hopkins showed top form before the loss and even better after. Roy beat Hopkins fair and square too.

So Hopkins is definitely 3rd.

Negative. Losing to a fighter doesn't suddenly mean you are below them in rank.
Hopkins beat better opposition than calzaghe and it can be argued that he won the fight against him.

I don't know about that. Hopkins reign at Middleweight is a list of mediocre names apart from Tito (a Welterweight who started at Junior Welter) and ODLH (a Welterweight who started at Lightweight) His best win after Middleweight was at 170lbs against Wink (a Junior Middleweight fighting 10 pounds heavier than he ever had previously) You can pick apart any fighters resume, and RJJ, Calzaghe and Hopkins are 3 in particular that you can pick apart.

[BIG H]

Statistically I think JC has a good claim to be ahead of Hopkins, but my feeling is that they should be rated as

RJJ
B-Hop
JC

[intoccabile]

There's nothing wrong with Calzaghe's win over Hopkins. Hopkins showed top form before the loss and even better after. Roy beat Hopkins fair and square too.

So Hopkins is definitely 3rd.

Negative. Losing to a fighter doesn't suddenly mean you are below them in rank.
Hopkins beat better opposition than calzaghe and it can be argued that he won the fight against him.

I don't know about that. Hopkins reign at Middleweight is a list of mediocre names apart from Tito (a Welterweight who started at Junior Welter) and ODLH (a Welterweight who started at Lightweight) His best win after Middleweight was at 170lbs against Wink (a Junior Middleweight fighting 10 pounds heavier than he ever had previously) You can pick apart any fighters resume, and RJJ, Calzaghe and Hopkins are 3 in particular that you can pick apart.

This is true. But Hopkins has very good names on his resume, something Calzaghe lacks.
Hopkins, although outsized guys, beat guys who would have moved up and dominated others in the division. Oscar has been successful at 154-160. Winky was still very game in that fight, etc etc.

Hopkins beat people who werent just great, but POUND FOR POUND great. Guys who could actually move up and do damage, hopkins beat. So the fights were definitely still in their grasps.

I still think Oscar took a fall in the hopkins fight though haha. I dont include him in bhops resume

[mrodub]

Someone just said jones was full of shit and hopkins tells it like it is come on hopkins made a load of stupid excuses after the calzaghe fight did you no he was sick thats why he lost(wink)
Also to say hopkins was a true middlewight champ at that time is stupid considering jones beat hopkins before he moved up in weight and the only person of substance hopkins had beat at that point was tito then hopkins was offered a fight with jones and weisled his way out of it over money.
Also jones is a natural middleweight for him to have beat ruiz was a miracle and to put him down was even better as i said earlier there has only ever been one other guy to do that and that was in the days when heavys were only the size of todays light heavys.In his prime he was one of the most talented fighter to ever grace the ring what is hopkins legacy he wins fine but how faking low blows and holding wow great champion