Margarito turns down fight with Mosley

[ClubberLang]

"Williams sat on his ass for a year gloating after the Tony win....leave him sit some more....."

Williams only sat on his ass because NO ONE wanted to fight him. Gotta disagree with you on that Daxx.

Cotto would have fought him....If he wanted to move to 154 Forrest woukld have fought him...Baldo would have fought him for a chance at a title....Spinks...I can name a dozen guys who would have fought just for a title shot....Quintana would have fought him if the opp came before a years time....Cintron would have fought him....

all that NO ONE wanted to fightr him crap is just that...crap......

When I say no one wanted to fight Tony I do not mean it in the way of them fearing him...I mean it in the way that no one thought he was worth the time...Not enough money was in it.......

No fighter at the championship level fears another....IMO that is just BS talk most of the time...

Pure BS. Williams called out Cotto after beating Margarito and Arum wanted no part of it. He and Forrest will never fight because they have the same manager. And who the hell wants to fight Spinks? He can't get on TV and his fights are always boring. He had a unification fight set up with Cintron, but Kermit hurt his hand in a tune-up. They offered him another date but he opted for the Margo fight instead. When it is said no one of consequence would fight Williams that is a simple fact.

And Margo's team turned down $4 million for a rematch. He won't get that to rematch Cotto! I agree that Margarito does not personally fear Williams, but his people sure as hell do. That much is clear.

[Althugz]

I kind of get why they don't want the fight, if they had just not gone after the fight it would be one thing, the part that sucks is Tony talking about Shane hiding before.

This is why Margarito's self-proclaimed moniker 'most feared' made me dislike him. It only made business sense for Mayweather not to fight him or any other guy for that matter. Margarito was clamoring for fights, quite frankly, he didn't deserve. Except in this case, Margarito doesn't have that defense against Mosley. Mosley, even at this age, is an elite fighter who is still a bigger draw than him. Margarito is simply leapfrogging him for a bigger pay day. In a strictly business sense there's nothing wrong with that. Bug when you say guys won't fight you when you aren't a fighter who brings anything to the table to begin with you don't get to turn around and be one of those guys against someone EVERYBODY knows. From a fan's perspective nothing about that holds water. When you've built your reputation as Margarito has it's supposed to be about the red, not the green.

Great post, Killface. You've summed it up perfectly. 2 words spring to mind... Hypocrit and Cunt
Don't get me wrong, I was so impressed with his destruction of Cintron and Cotto but fuck him for crying like a baby all these years, then turning around doing the same thing that he was crying about.

[Gandalf]

Seems like Margarito is falling back into old ways. The guy likes being inactive. The Mosley deal was a perfectly credible one against another highly ranked WW. It would have been the ideal start to a year and then have it followed up with a rematch with Cotto.

I'll bet you Margarito only fights the one time next year if this fight really has fallen through.

[DaxxKahn]

"Williams sat on his ass for a year gloating after the Tony win....leave him sit some more....."

Williams only sat on his ass because NO ONE wanted to fight him. Gotta disagree with you on that Daxx.

Cotto would have fought him....If he wanted to move to 154 Forrest woukld have fought him...Baldo would have fought him for a chance at a title....Spinks...I can name a dozen guys who would have fought just for a title shot....Quintana would have fought him if the opp came before a years time....Cintron would have fought him....

all that NO ONE wanted to fightr him crap is just that...crap......

When I say no one wanted to fight Tony I do not mean it in the way of them fearing him...I mean it in the way that no one thought he was worth the time...Not enough money was in it.......

No fighter at the championship level fears another....IMO that is just BS talk most of the time...

Pure BS. Williams called out Cotto after beating Margarito and Arum wanted no part of it. He and Forrest will never fight because they have the same manager. And who the hell wants to fight Spinks? He can't get on TV and his fights are always boring. He had a unification fight set up with Cintron, but Kermit hurt his hand in a tune-up. They offered him another date but he opted for the Margo fight instead. When it is said no one of consequence would fight Williams that is a simple fact.

And Margo's team turned down $4 million for a rematch. He won't get that to rematch Cotto! I agree that Margarito does not personally fear Williams, but his people sure as hell do. That much is clear.

Margaritos people do not fear Williams...Give me a break....as for him and Forrest was not even thinking about handlers just names that certainly do not fear stepping ion the ring with him.....

Who the hell is Paul Williams that everyone needs to answer his calls?.....A close bout with Tony and a win over Quintana after a loss to him are his biggest accomplishments.......A 1 rd KO in the rematch really proves shit TBH....Many of fighters better then Carlos have fallen victim to getting caught cold and ended on their ass.....His last fight was over a bum....Yet everyone is on his bandwagon...How about putting in some more time....Williamns seems to think that everyone is at his beckon call to answer his challenges...Thats not how it works......

The more I hear about guys being afraid to step in the ring with him the more I wonder about the people saying the shit.....No one is afraid to fight Paul Williams....Just because Margarito and his people are not inking the bout because Williams want's them to too bad....

Paul Williams is not a Bernard Hopkins, DLH, Pacquiao....He dcoes not decide who and when he fights while people just sit and are supposed to be Johnny on the spot with his offer taken.....

He is not a big draw....He is still establishing himself...His PPV stock is zero....

Wait his turn like everyone else and he will get the fight....The more shit he talks the more he waits...

EG- David Haye/Wlad Klitschko......Start demanding a fight and you get squat

[Beanflicker]

Funny how hypocritical some boxers and boxing fans can be. I'm sure you people that are saying "well maybe he's holding out for bigger money so its OK" are the same guys who blasted FLoyd for not fighting Marg in order to make 3 or 4 times the money fighting ODLH.

[albsur2006]

I'm sorry but Margarito's camp is one of the dumbest camps in boxing. This guy is always sitting idle. I remember before he fought Clottey, I think he was inactive for 11 months. He's just off the heels of the most successful PPV this year (450,000 buys, albeit, Cotto was the draw) and he wants to wait around until next year to fight Cotto again? I'm sorry but unless this guy has some plan to fight ODLH or Mayweather next year, he's an idiot.

If you're a guy like Tony, you have to strike when the iron's hot. I don't know what he's waiting around for. 2 Million dollars is a great paycheck for a guy who has five losses on his record. Holding out for more money could leave you nowhere, look at Winky Wright. Winky Wright turned down a 4-5 Million dollar paycheck because JT was gonna make 55% and he was gonna make 45%. Now look at Winky Wright. Just imagine where his career could have gone.

You have to build on your buzz and build on your salary. And that means you have to stay active and stay in the public eye. This guy is complaining about never getting a big paycheck but big paychecks don't come from beating one guy. He's just laying around and waiting for a big fight to fall in his lap. He thinks that someone is gonna come offer him $5 Million dollars when his previous career high is only a million. He truly doesn't understand promoters. Just imagine if he took on Mosley or Clottey and won, and then took on Cotto in the summer and won again, and then closed the year out with a Paul Williams rematch. Those fights could total up to 10+ Million dollars (2 Mil for Mosley/Clottey, 4-5 Mil for Cotto, 4-5 Mil for PW)
That's a big year, money wise and professionally. And if he won all the fights, he would have essentially cleared out the welterweight division. And the money he could demand would have tripled because promoters would have to start paying him based on his last paycheck.

I just don't know what type of money he's expecting right now. The only true big name he's ever fought against is Cotto. Does he think he's gonna make $4 Million dollars anywhere else (actually he turned down 4 Mil for a PW rematch)? He's gotta get realistic. What Tony doesn't understand is that NOBODY wants him in the position he's in right now. Top Rank wanted Cotto to win that fight, ODLH wanted Cotto to win to he could fight him, Mayweather probably would have fought Cotto, HBO definitely doesn't wanna see Tony on top because he's not that promotable to the American public quite honestly. If he loses, he's getting thrown back on the shelf and he'll go back to whining again. So he should at least stay as active as possible. Everyone around him is.

[ClubberLang]

Margaritos people do not fear Williams...Give me a break....

Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?

[Puya]

I can't believe I'm saying this about Margarito.

PUSSY!!

DIVA!!!

[El Kabong]

This doesn't surprise me much...Shane is a faster boxer than Cotto, he's not better but he can shoot off 3-4 punches and move the hell out of the way better than Cotto.

I would really like to see Margarito-De la Hoya....because I doubt Oscar can whip him

[Kel]

I got the impression this was already a done dealI was so looking forward to this fight.

Fucksticks!

[gyrokai]

If I know anything about Margarito, something is going to pull through and make something happen. The man DOES want exciting fights! For pete's sake, he took on Williams and Cotto.

[Diane]

Thats why when all these fighters were asked who they wanted to fight, nobody brought up PW. Cotto wouldn't even say Mayweather's name after fights .....Zab was not more deserving than PW at that time. You forget the fact that Tony and Paul couldn't get Cotto so they had to fight each other.

Sorry friend, but I'm going to have to correct you on this one.

Margarito was supposed to, and agreed to fight Cotto, but once he learned that he was going to have to give up his belt for not fighting his mandatory in Williams, he turned down the fight against Cotto so that he could keep his title. Cotto was the one left without a dance partner, and that's when Judah came into play. The plan then became that as long as Cotto beat Judah, and Margarito beat Williams, they were supposed to meet up that following November. Well we all know what happened, Cotto won, Margarito lost, and that's why Cotto took on Mosley.

[Spicoli]

Imagine that!The man making a thought out business decision with the entirety of career in mind.I think maybe we have become a little too accustomed to the face first fighting style and forget that every fighter worth their salt is a calculator,in the ring but also when considering whats best for them selves and bigger picture.Surly their is more to come and I for one do not pretend to be in his head and what other factors come into play for bigger career picture.Save all of the non sense also,No pussy he,no coward he...thats trifling!Save the hypocrite talk as well.Tony has faced Williams,Clottey,Cotto,Cintron x 2.All viable top ten welter contenders/champions!! But I'll spot you Zab & even Hatton at welter...but just remember Zab is Zab

Point blank,Margarito worked the situation,Shouted loud and got a reaction for negotiating,etc and to practice a key rule in life...Keep your options open!No different than many others.He was not just going along for the ride.As to what is down the road,your guess is as good as mine,likely a sooner rematch with Cotto?Fact is,Tony does not need Mosley at this point.In the HUGE picture,what does this gain him?All respect to Mosley but was he or was he not in for a hellish night?Honestly?Yes....I dislike inactivity and very much would have anticipated this match but put it in a very long line of big fights that do not come off.Also,sure is convenient that Mosley is already slated to fight Berto,date and all!A fight that Imo,He should be a clear favorite thus gaining a title ,bargaining power and future big paydays.Sounds pretty smart to me!No apologies,for once Margarito is a shot caller and has options!Fawking good for him.Something tells me we are not seeing the behind the scenes happenings.Might be in for a suprise or two.

[Taeth]

At least Berto has a good stepping stone in Mosley, I don't see Mosley giving him many troubles, he is too faster, too good, too hard to hit cleanly.

I don't think Margarito should have been fighting Mosley to begin with, Cotto beat Mosley convincingly in a tough fight, MAyweather might be coming back, Clottey stills deserves another shot, and of course Paul Williams beat Margarito, and has really redeemed his slip up against Quintana.

I just don't see Mosley ever having the tools to beat a guy like Margarito, he isn't a great mover, he's relatively easy to hit, and he doesn't deal well with taller guys that put a lot of pressure on him.

[JT Rock]

Im a person of principle and it seems like Tony is getting a gate pass for what Mayweather was getting crucified for.. and as big as a Tony fan as I am he is pissing away momentum by doing the same thing as he did with with mayweather.. Living and dying at Cotto's doorstep...

Tony is screwing up big time by not taking the 2 mill and asserting himself over Mosley.. He is taking his wear and tear and age to another year in anticipation of fighting Cotto and banking on no injury to either in the meantime, so if it dosent go to plan he gets older and slower and is screwed... total stupidity, Margarito needs Shane and his draw and $$$$$$$$ Tony on his best day would struggle to this to fill a VFW let alone a colesium.. TAKE THE DAMN FIGHT TONY!!!!!

Beat Shane increase your drawing power by defeating a living legend and have that much more momentum and popularity to generate more money and more demand for yourself