Margarito turns down fight with Mosley

[DaxxKahn]

Margaritos people do not fear Williams...Give me a break....

Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?

That was an alleged $4 Million....Something Williams camp claimed....

Just like when Cassamayor claimed that Pacquiao turned down that same amount to fight him...(He actually told me that himself).....

There was never confirmation that there was a guaranteed $4 Million to rematch Williams.....

You guys kill me...You read somewhere that there was a "Supposed" offer of $4 million and it has to be true.....

Who the hell is paying Williams that much?...Williams sure as hell is not going into a fight with a guy like Margarito prior victory over him or not and allowing him to make $4 million while he only gets maybe half if he is lucky....

Paul Williams is not a big enough draw for a $4 million dollar payday...

I swear I don't think some of you guys realize that this is a business and the fighters do not decide how much they are going to offer another...and 85% of the time the original offer a fighters management team or promoter claim to have offered is bullshit for the sake of publicity....

Margarito would fight his own Mother for $4 million dollars....and she would encourage the bout to take place!!!!!

Unless a promoter/Promoters know they will make money off a fight that exceeds the purses by a large margin they will not garner such paydays....

On PPV Williams might as well be Joe Schmoe....PPV is where the money is at....PPV is where the sport makes dollars and cents off the casual fan....The casual fan is not paying $49.99 for Paul "what is his name"

Margarito is not a huge PPV draw...In fact it was Cotto's name that marketed their fight to the mass public.....

When you hear about fights like Calzaghe/Jones only having 225,000 buys the promoters would have taken a bath in the bout...They would have lost money....Calzaghe and Jones only made hefty paydays because they promoted the fight themselves....They did that because they knew they would not have gotten a fraction of what they did if they had promoters handling it...And Calzaghe is one of the 5 biggest names in the sport right now....

If a promoter gave both Williams and Margarito $4 and it did anything less then 350,000 they would lose a fortune....And NO PROMOTER is going to do such a thing.....

Stop basing your argument on hear say and media hype

[donnydarkoIRL]

Huge Mosley fan, but under no illusions. Tony isn't ducking SSM

[Rantcatrat]

At least Berto has a good stepping stone in Mosley, I don't see Mosley giving him many troubles, he is too faster, too good, too hard to hit cleanly.

I don't think Margarito should have been fighting Mosley to begin with, Cotto beat Mosley convincingly in a tough fight, MAyweather might be coming back, Clottey stills deserves another shot, and of course Paul Williams beat Margarito, and has really redeemed his slip up against Quintana.

I just don't see Mosley ever having the tools to beat a guy like Margarito, he isn't a great mover, he's relatively easy to hit, and he doesn't deal well with taller guys that put a lot of pressure on him.

Not sure about the Berto v. Shane call, but other than that, I agree with the post.

[ClubberLang]

Margaritos people do not fear Williams...Give me a break....

Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?

That was an alleged $4 Million....Something Williams camp claimed....

Just like when Cassamayor claimed that Pacquiao turned down that same amount to fight him...(He actually told me that himself).....

There was never confirmation that there was a guaranteed $4 Million to rematch Williams.....

You guys kill me...You read somewhere that there was a "Supposed" offer of $4 million and it has to be true.....

Who the hell is paying Williams that much?...Williams sure as hell is not going into a fight with a guy like Margarito prior victory over him or not and allowing him to make $4 million while he only gets maybe half if he is lucky....

Paul Williams is not a big enough draw for a $4 million dollar payday...

I swear I don't think some of you guys realize that this is a business and the fighters do not decide how much they are going to offer another...and 85% of the time the original offer a fighters management team or promoter claim to have offered is bullshit for the sake of publicity....

Margarito would fight his own Mother for $4 million dollars....and she would encourage the bout to take place!!!!!

Unless a promoter/Promoters know they will make money off a fight that exceeds the purses by a large margin they will not garner such paydays....

On PPV Williams might as well be Joe Schmoe....PPV is where the money is at....PPV is where the sport makes dollars and cents off the casual fan....The casual fan is not paying $49.99 for Paul "what is his name"

Margarito is not a huge PPV draw...In fact it was Cotto's name that marketed their fight to the mass public.....

When you hear about fights like Calzaghe/Jones only having 225,000 buys the promoters would have taken a bath in the bout...They would have lost money....Calzaghe and Jones only made hefty paydays because they promoted the fight themselves....They did that because they knew they would not have gotten a fraction of what they did if they had promoters handling it...And Calzaghe is one of the 5 biggest names in the sport right now....

If a promoter gave both Williams and Margarito $4 and it did anything less then 350,000 they would lose a fortune....And NO PROMOTER is going to do such a thing.....

Stop basing your argument on hear say and media hype

It wasn't hearsay, smart guy. Dan Rafael reported it on ESPN.com. He doesn't report on something unless it's solid. It was a solid offer that they turned down. Nice try, though. Keep making excuses for the fact that Margarito's people want no part of Williams.

[ClubberLang]

Excerpt from Rafael's blog posted today:

• So let me see if I have this straight: Antonio Margarito passed on $4 million to fight Paul Williams in a rematch and now has passed on $2 million to fight Mosley. Sounds like we have another scholarship winner to the Winky Wright School of Boxing Business.

ESPN - Dan Rafael Blog

[DaxxKahn]

Then explain to me why they turned down $4 million for the rematch? That would be far and away the biggest payday of his career. His career best is the $1.7 million he got to fight Cotto. The Mosley fight was for $2 million. He probably won't get more than $3 million to rematch Cotto (that was Cotto's purse in the first fight). Why turn down such a big payday if they aren't afraid to let their man fight him?

That was an alleged $4 Million....Something Williams camp claimed....

Just like when Cassamayor claimed that Pacquiao turned down that same amount to fight him...(He actually told me that himself).....

There was never confirmation that there was a guaranteed $4 Million to rematch Williams.....

You guys kill me...You read somewhere that there was a "Supposed" offer of $4 million and it has to be true.....

Who the hell is paying Williams that much?...Williams sure as hell is not going into a fight with a guy like Margarito prior victory over him or not and allowing him to make $4 million while he only gets maybe half if he is lucky....

Paul Williams is not a big enough draw for a $4 million dollar payday...

I swear I don't think some of you guys realize that this is a business and the fighters do not decide how much they are going to offer another...and 85% of the time the original offer a fighters management team or promoter claim to have offered is bullshit for the sake of publicity....

Margarito would fight his own Mother for $4 million dollars....and she would encourage the bout to take place!!!!!

Unless a promoter/Promoters know they will make money off a fight that exceeds the purses by a large margin they will not garner such paydays....

On PPV Williams might as well be Joe Schmoe....PPV is where the money is at....PPV is where the sport makes dollars and cents off the casual fan....The casual fan is not paying $49.99 for Paul "what is his name"

Margarito is not a huge PPV draw...In fact it was Cotto's name that marketed their fight to the mass public.....

When you hear about fights like Calzaghe/Jones only having 225,000 buys the promoters would have taken a bath in the bout...They would have lost money....Calzaghe and Jones only made hefty paydays because they promoted the fight themselves....They did that because they knew they would not have gotten a fraction of what they did if they had promoters handling it...And Calzaghe is one of the 5 biggest names in the sport right now....

If a promoter gave both Williams and Margarito $4 and it did anything less then 350,000 they would lose a fortune....And NO PROMOTER is going to do such a thing.....

Stop basing your argument on hear say and media hype

It wasn't hearsay, smart guy. Dan Rafael reported it on ESPN.com. He doesn't report on something unless it's solid. It was a solid offer that they turned down. Nice try, though. Keep making excuses for the fact that Margarito's people want no part of Williams.

Yeah you keep telling yourself that....Dan reports what he hears just like everyone else...If he hears there was an offer for $4 million he reports there was an offer for $4 Million.....Since I can obvioulsly tell you have NO IDEA ON HOW THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THIS SPORT WORKS....Going through this with you is a watse of time.....But you go on believing what you want.....

and as for what I said on how the purses work and what you think you know had nothing to do with Margarito/Williams...It was just a lesson for you to help understand how that works but I see you got off the little blue bus today feeling like you learned something more then everyone else.........

You also seemed to ignore the part where I said..."Stop basing your arguement on hear say and media".....Funny thing is the next day you do that same thing because you read Dan's Blog

And here is another lesson for you

So let me see if I have this straight: Antonio Margarito passed on $4 million to fight Paul Williams in a rematch and now has passed on $2 million to fight Mosley. Sounds like we have another scholarship winner to the Winky Wright School of Boxing Business.

By him saying "Let me see if I have this straight"....Dan is implying just what I stated in my presvious post....IT WAS SOMETHING HE HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE AND IF IT IS TRUE THEN IN HIS OPION IT IS A FOOLISH MOVE!!!!.............Nothing in there about Dan stating that he knows for a fact or that he heard straight from the camp of Margarito they turned down the offer.....

Another funny thing is Dan talks about what I stated in my post from yesterday about PPV buys and such...Even mentioning bigger draws and bigger names such as Pavlik, Calzaghe, Jones, Hopkins and how lousy their PPV buys were...Talking aboput how Hatton ticket sales are even struggling....Hatton usually sells out or close to it in almost all his bouts...UK or USA....

His whgole comment on Margariot and his

scholarship winner to the Winky Wright School of Boxing Business.

comment is tied in with the formentioned on his column due to the fact on "If it was true" ...seeing how sales are struggling it is foolish....

He also mentions...Money spent by promoters and how Jones company alone spent $500,000 in purses just to put on a shitty undercard....Why was it so shitty? So he could make the profit from the rest...

Di'Bella had about 7 fighters for $100,000....7 undercard guys for a hundred grand...unheard of....shows exactly what promoters are putting out for purses right now.....

Get a clue and stop making an ass of yourself...stop basing everything you think you know off columns...and when you read them make sure you understand them fully....

How many behind the news media people EG fighters, mgrs, promoters, trainers do you know?....How many fight cards have you dealt with?....How many fighters that are on a championship level do you associate with?..........How many have ytou been friends with over the years?

I guarentee for every 1 you might know I have known at least 5...I have actually sat in on purse negotiations...and your going to tell me how it works?.....Because you read a Dan Raf article?...Are you kidding me?....

I did not take the tyime to post all that yesterday to defenbd Margarito not fighting Willaims just to let ypu know how it really works...

And if Margaritos people really did turn that much down I promise it is because they know they can hold out for more........

When the challenger is offering the purse amount they want the fight desperatly....and they will cough up more....

Read up and learn something before you come at me with that shit....,

Next you'll be telling me about Wlad Klitschkbeing the Father of an Alien child because you read it in the weekly world news

[ClubberLang]

FACT: Margarito was offered $4 million to fight Paul Williams.
FACT: His team turned it down.
FACT: He hasn't been offered more the $2 million for any other fight.
FACT: Margarito's team does not want him to fight Paul Williams.

The rest of your pompous BS is just that...BS. Dan Rafael does not report on negotiations unless he talks to both sides. He has stated that numerous times. That was a solid offer, whether you want to admit it or not. But I guess you know more about than a guy who writes for ESPN.

[DaxxKahn]

FACT: Margarito was offered $4 million to fight Paul Williams.
FACT: His team turned it down.
FACT: He hasn't been offered more the $2 million for any other fight.
FACT: Margarito's team does not want him to fight Paul Williams.

The rest of your pompous BS is just that...BS. Dan Rafael does not report on negotiations unless he talks to both sides. He has stated that numerous times. That was a solid offer, whether you want to admit it or not. But I guess you know more about than a guy who writes for ESPN.

Anyhow you go right ahead and think waht you want there Clubber..

It is just BS..of course it is,,,your right...you know it all....your vast knowledge of reading Dans articles proves it all....and again I steted that even if Margaritos team did turn it down there is a reason...But of course you know exactly how things go...I forgot...my bad

We'll I'll shut up now and leave the sport of boxing to you and all your expertise....

Now off to negotiations you go...

[TheChosenOne]

Hmmm, not sure how I feel about this yet.



Margarito to Mosley: I'll pass | The Fabulous Forum | Los Angeles Times


What do you guys think?

i was looking forward to this possible matchup,
id like to see a rematch with cotto for both right now

[Gandalf]

I still think Margarito is being a bit of an idiot. There is probably nothing in the pipeline for early next year, so it seems he is holding out for the Cotto rematch which could be as late as next summer.

One fight in 2008?? All seems like such a waste. He wanted the recognition and to then not build on it by taking an extended time out is foolish. The guy most likely has another 3 years at the top. Maximum. And here he is trying his best to be inactive for what will be almost a year.

Some logic! Margarito might be able to take a punch, but there sure isnt much of a brain being rattled around.

[TheChosenOne]

I still think Margarito is being a bit of an idiot. There is probably nothing in the pipeline for early next year, so it seems he is holding out for the Cotto rematch which could be as late as next summer.

One fight in 2008?? All seems like such a waste. He wanted the recognition and to then not build on it by taking an extended time out is foolish. The guy most likely has another 3 years at the top. Maximum. And here he is trying his best to be inactive for what will be almost a year.

Some logic! Margarito might be able to take a punch, but there sure isnt much of a brain being rattled around.

think he might be over enjoying his win over cotto

[Gandalf]

I still think Margarito is being a bit of an idiot. There is probably nothing in the pipeline for early next year, so it seems he is holding out for the Cotto rematch which could be as late as next summer.

One fight in 2008?? All seems like such a waste. He wanted the recognition and to then not build on it by taking an extended time out is foolish. The guy most likely has another 3 years at the top. Maximum. And here he is trying his best to be inactive for what will be almost a year.

Some logic! Margarito might be able to take a punch, but there sure isnt much of a brain being rattled around.

think he might be over enjoying his win over cotto

Exactly.

Better to stay in view and at least try to fight twice a year. Having a big win and then taking a year off is too indulgent and completely fails to build up any new momentum for his career. If you only have a good three years left, you dont take a gap year!!

[TheChosenOne]

I still think Margarito is being a bit of an idiot. There is probably nothing in the pipeline for early next year, so it seems he is holding out for the Cotto rematch which could be as late as next summer.

One fight in 2008?? All seems like such a waste. He wanted the recognition and to then not build on it by taking an extended time out is foolish. The guy most likely has another 3 years at the top. Maximum. And here he is trying his best to be inactive for what will be almost a year.

Some logic! Margarito might be able to take a punch, but there sure isnt much of a brain being rattled around.

think he might be over enjoying his win over cotto

Exactly.

Better to stay in view and at least try to fight twice a year. Having a big win and then taking a year off is too indulgent and completely fails to build up any new momentum for his career. If you only have a good three years left, you dont take a gap year!!

mosley did kinda the same thing after his first win over odlh only he was figting bums instead of top rate oppenents

[Mr140]

Man i am bummed i thought that Shane had a good chance to get a decsion out this the only guys to beat him were ones with solided jabs and boxing ablity and i thought Shane got a draw with Cotto it was close. Oh well he is fight Berto which makes me mad because i like both. I hoping for Shane though because i like him more he may have the power to spark Berto maybe push him around a bit should be a good fight i guess. As for Margrito kinda think his a twat now hope he loses tell you the truth. I am a not fan of Mayweather but what Toney doing is no different and i think it is lame that some people are making exuses for him which there is none. I hope he does fight Oscar and it is at the LMW and there i think he may get sparked by the old golden boy i dont know what people think Margritos going to do Oscar he still has the ablity to box and he has a better chin the Cotto and has better power go Oscar knock the twat out so why you used to be the pound for pound king once again i be rooting for you think people over rate Margrito because of the Cotto fight but Oscar is bigger has reach, has the same if not better boxing ability, has more power and most important a chin which i think while big the bigger factor of the fight because Oscar can out point him and has enough power to hold him off i feel Oscar can take this guy down.

[Lance Uppercut]

This really causes me to dislike Margarito. He used to embody the proverbial fighter that would fight anyone. Now, after getting his first taste of real financial succes, he has suddenly turned into Winky Wright.