Haye Ranked 4th at Heavy WTF!!

[JT Rock]

Ring Magazine has Pac rated #2 at 135 after 1 fight and he is ranked #5 at Welter after 1 fight against a guy who hadnt fought there in 10 years..

Mind you 147 is arguably the hottest division and guys like Berto(Title Holder) and Collazo(solid contender) are snubbed for some guy who fought a freeze dried DLH who himself wasnt a ranked Welter.. If thats not a mockery I dont know what is

Haye unified a division in electric fashion moved up to Boxings weakest division.. fought 2 fights and is ranked #4 by someone, I'll take that over the Pac BS anyday of the week

[leftylee]

Ring Magazine has Pac rated #2 at 135 after 1 fight and he is ranked #5 at Welter after 1 fight against a guy who hadnt fought there in 10 years..

Mind you 147 is arguably the hottest division and guys like Berto(Title Holder) and Collazo(solid contender) are snubbed for some guy who fought a circus fight.. If thats not a mockery I dont know what is

Haye unified a division in electric fashion moved up to Boxings weakest division.. fought 2 fights and is ranked #4 by someone, I'll take that over the Pac BS anyday of the weak

Spot on JT.

Haye has beat a top 15 ranked heavyweight (Bonin, WBC number 11) and a top ten ranked heavyweight (Barret, WBO number 4). Along with his domination of the cruiserweights he deserves the ranking

A lot of people forget also the Monte Barret fight was a WBC eliminator.

[Wayne]

I just picked up a copy of Boxing Monthly and David Haye is ranked 4th in the world at Heavyweight

1. Wlad
2. Vitali
3. Chagaev
4. Haye
5. Valuev
6. Ibragimov
7. Peter
8. Provetkin
9. Ruiz
10. JC Gomez

How can you have 2 fights and be ranked 4th I think he has done a good job getting his name about and getting the fight with Wlad, but no way can he be ranked this high after a fight with Barret

What do you think?

It probably has more to do with his upcoming fight than what he's done. There's so much wrong with this list aside from that, though. Sultan Ibragimov hasn't fought in almost a year since he lost but he's higher than an undefeated Povetkin who is on deck for a championship bout. Gomez is at the bottom, but he hasn't lost in 4 years but he's below Peter who just got dominated. The rest of the list after Chagaev is garbage.

[Drago]

i have no poroblem with him being rated number 4 think he should be number 3 really

[DaxxKahn]

Sorry but remind me who this guy in the heavyweight division again?

First off the rankings referred to here are Boxing Monthly's a UK magazine and therefore utterly meaningless in the scheme of things so no top 5 contender is going to feel disgruntles. Secondly, if you are referring to the real alphabet rankings, since when whey they based on merit? It's which promoter is paying them which fees for them to rank you, simple as.

Aside from that I agree with bzkfn, Haye was the unified cruiserweight champ. If it was any other division and the two time unified champ moved it would be seen as a bizarre omission not to have him in the rankings once he had fought and won at a higher weight class.

Barrett fought a world title only a little over a year ago and was rated in the top 10 by one organisation when Haye fought so Haye knocking him out in style along with his cruiserweight credentials means he is deserving of a top ten ranking.

Maybe not top 4 but come on I hate the guy but I'd have a job convincing myself that the likes of Ibragimov, Valuev and Maskaev could beat him. You'd have to fancy Haye to beat all those guys with ease really.

First off if you had just a bit of thought behind it you would realize the comment was a scenario in general and it matters none on the division, weight class or the fact Haye was the CW champion, fact is he WAS the CRUISERWEIGHT champion

But IF we want to just use the HW rankings we will..

I am sure that if you were lets say Sam Peter who is one fight removed from being a world champion you would be wondering how the hell did this guy get ranked higher then me since he just started a legit campaign at HW 1 fight ago...OR Ibragimov who is also only 1 fight from being a title holder and the last fight was to Wlad...

How about Alexander Dimitrenko who is undefeated or Povetkin who is also undefeated..Maybe you are Valuev who is a belt holder wondering the same thing....

Regardless of your personal opp these guys have put their time in and these guys have fought other top ranked fighters to earn their spot so how is or should I say Haye more worthy of being ranked above them...Ragardless of your personal opp as a fan but in a legit manner..

And Thanks for your attempt on educating me on where Boxing Monthly is..

And as for whether or not Valuev, Ibragimov or Maskaev could or could not beat Haye means zip....Because until he either beats one of them or a fighter of higher caliber in the division it means nothing...

Monte Barrett is a joke of a fighter at this point...

He went on a 3 in a row losing streak..2 by KO...His wins before Haye were a rematch over Causer that he had been ko'd by the fight before and Tye Fields....How does beating that guy merit ranking over a current champion and 2 former title holders 1 fight removed from being champion

Well as I said before it was boxing monthly who ranked him at 4 so it has no significance to the rest of the world so why would Sam Peter care?

But beyond that considering the dismal insipid displays that both Sam Peter and Sultan Ibragimov produced in their last world title 'effort's I'm suprised anybody is trying to justify their inclusion in the top 5


You mention Alexander Dimitrenko but who has he beat exactly? Luan Krisniqui and Timo Hoffman hardly make for an outstanding resume, personally I'd rank a two time unified cruiserweight champ above him in a heartbeat. In fact I'd say David Haye in beating Tomasz Bonin and Monty Barrett has already beaten as good opposition AT HEAVYWEIGHT as Dimitrenko, Barret fought for a world title in 07, Krusniqui did in 2005 but has done nothing since.

The only guys that imo should be rated higher than Haye are the Klitschko's, Valuev (because of the belt only), Chagaev and Povetkin. There is nobody else in the weight class who you could consider as being deserving of a place at all, the rest are mostly crap.

I fucking hate David Haye personally but his resume speaks for itself. Jermain Taylor was rated in the Ring top 10 at supermiddleweight before he even fought there, hell I think he was 0-1 even after he lost to Pavlik there and is still in the top 10.

I have no problems with Haye being ranked in the top 10.

Dismal displays or not they are still 1 fight from being champions...If a champion puts on a poor performance in a defense could the #1 ranked challenger be ahead of them?...

Regardless of the fact they are only the ratings from Boxing Monthly they are not right, and believe me they are not the only ones who's rankings I think suck, at times IMO the fellows from boxrec should be banned from making rankings.

Put Haye in the top 10 fine just not so high up

[JT Rock]

Daxx, What are your feelings on Pac being ranked high at 135,147 by ring magazine after 1 fight at each weight

[kingfrnk]

Daxx, What are your feelings on Pac being ranked high at 135,147 by ring magazine after 1 fight at each weight

Personally i think its fukkin retarded to have pacman at 147. Because he beat Oscar at 147 who didnt fight at that weight since he beat Gatti?? Im starting to think the ring mag ratings are full of shit.

[DaxxKahn]

Daxx, What are your feelings on Pac being ranked high at 135,147 by ring magazine after 1 fight at each weight

I stand by the same opinion, like I said I gave a scenario and it just happened to be in the HW division, This is not the first time this topic has come up on these boards just with different fighters is all and I had the same opinion then..

To have Pac ranked at 147 is proposterous..The man has not even campagined there...the DLH fight was more of a catchweight situation then legit WW bout since neither campagins there or was ranked there prior

[The Fightfan]

Complete B.S. IMO. He fought MONTE BARRETT who is an unranked fighter. He has talked nothing but s**t about everyone in this heavyweight division but has yet to fight any of the ranked fighter's.

[Rantcatrat]

Daxx, What are your feelings on Pac being ranked high at 135,147 by ring magazine after 1 fight at each weight

What were his Pac's opponents ranked at those weights when he fought them? I have to agree, however, to have Pac ranked at 47' is a little bit weird. But, at 135, his first fight was against a belt-holder, albeit the weakest of the lot, but nonetheless a top five-seven ranked fighter. And wasn't Marquez, who Pac beat, already ranked in the top five in that division?

[Jody Lane]

I just picked up a copy of Boxing Monthly and David Haye is ranked 4th in the world at Heavyweight

1. Wlad
2. Vitali
3. Chagaev
4. Haye
5. Valuev
6. Ibragimov
7. Peter
8. Provetkin
9. Ruiz
10. JC Gomez

How can you have 2 fights and be ranked 4th I think he has done a good job getting his name about and getting the fight with Wlad, but no way can he be ranked this high after a fight with Barret

What do you think?

Looking at the six below him, I think number four isn't unreasonable

[JT Rock]

Daxx, What are your feelings on Pac being ranked high at 135,147 by ring magazine after 1 fight at each weight

What were his Pac's opponents ranked at those weights when he fought them? I have to agree, however, to have Pac ranked at 47' is a little bit weird. But, at 135, his first fight was against a belt-holder, albeit the weakest of the lot, but nonetheless a top five-seven ranked fighter. And wasn't Marquez, who Pac beat, already ranked in the top five in that division?

JMM is the ring champ at 135 weight... DLH wasnt ranked or fought at 147 for 10 years

[Kev]

Daxx, What are your feelings on Pac being ranked high at 135,147 by ring magazine after 1 fight at each weight

What were his Pac's opponents ranked at those weights when he fought them? I have to agree, however, to have Pac ranked at 47' is a little bit weird. But, at 135, his first fight was against a belt-holder, albeit the weakest of the lot, but nonetheless a top five-seven ranked fighter. And wasn't Marquez, who Pac beat, already ranked in the top five in that division?

Why is it weird though, I mean it's all boxing it's not as if a lower weight class is a different sport. The idea that all of the things of you do in a lower weight class mean nothing when you step up is frankly bizarre.

Manny is the best fighter in the world, a multiple weight champ and just annihilated Oscar De La Hoya at 147, if that gives him a place in the top 10 I see nothing wrong with that.

Don't know if he's rated higher than Collazo, Berto, Clottey or the like but if he is I have no problem with it at all. When Collazo, Berto or Clottey blow a fighter like Oscar away let me know

[Youngblood]

One thing about David Haye. He sure gets people talking. Even when he isn't talking silliness. Hence this thread. I think it's good stuff for boxing and the HW division.

[kingfrnk]

Daxx, What are your feelings on Pac being ranked high at 135,147 by ring magazine after 1 fight at each weight

What were his Pac's opponents ranked at those weights when he fought them? I have to agree, however, to have Pac ranked at 47' is a little bit weird. But, at 135, his first fight was against a belt-holder, albeit the weakest of the lot, but nonetheless a top five-seven ranked fighter. And wasn't Marquez, who Pac beat, already ranked in the top five in that division?

Why is it weird though, I mean it's all boxing it's not as if a lower weight class is a different sport. The idea that all of the things of you do in a lower weight class mean nothing when you step up is frankly bizarre.

Manny is the best fighter in the world, a multiple weight champ and just annihilated Oscar De La Hoya at 147, if that gives him a place in the top 10 I see nothing wrong with that.

Don't know if he's rated higher than Collazo, Berto, Clottey or the like but if he is I have no problem with it at all. When Collazo, Berto or Clottey blow a fighter like Oscar away let me know

JTrock just had it right. Oscar hasnt been ranked at 147 in around 10 years. So why should Pacman be ranked at 147 when he didnt beat a ranked 147 fighter.