The Thrilla in Manilla Documentary

[El Kabong]

Anyone watching this on HBO

[El Kabong]

...it is just tragic the way Ali treated Joe, and Ali gets the praise and the glory and all Joe gets is the satisfaction of beating up Ali in all 3 fights....he lost 2 of them but Frazier hurt him there is no denying that.

[boozeboxer]

the ref was a filipino movie star. Who would have thought.

[XaduBoxer]

the ref was a filipino movie star. Who would have thought.

He's a world class referee, Carlos Padilla ... He's the first preference to referee coz the fight was in Manila, Philippines...
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[:::PSL:::]

the ref was a filipino movie star. Who would have thought.

He's a world class referee, Carlos Padilla ... He's the first preference to referee coz the fight was in Manila, Philippines...
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Yep. He reffed so many high profile world championships.

[the_PRODIGY]

the ref was a filipino movie star. Who would have thought.

You think that's weird? Hell I heard the round girls were the President's daughter.oops

[The Fightfan]

...it is just tragic the way Ali treated Joe, and Ali gets the praise and the glory and all Joe gets is the satisfaction of beating up Ali in all 3 fights....he lost 2 of them but Frazier hurt him there is no denying that.

I watched this documentary and I really got angry. If you choose Ali you were right and if Frazier you were a racist or an uncle Tom. What a crock of shit. Nevermind the fact that Frazier was just a hard nosed blue collared fighter who worked his whole life since he was a kid and Ali was a middle-class school enrolled student who was bred for olympic glory. Something oddley enough when Ali called Frazier an Uncle Tom and a pure nigger. When Frazier was actually treated like a slave his whole life and had to fight for everything he got. I kept saying god damn people were stupid back then. Here is a man who has done nothing to nobody just won the heavyweight crown by KO,and didn't hype himself as "The Greatest" kept his mouth shut and did his job,also helped his friend Ali in need by giving him money when he was flat broke,then get's him back into the ring, then Ali spits back in his face by destroying Frazier's life and Frazier's children from simple childish name calling and the stupid ass media ate the shit up. Fuck everyone who was ever involved with that and thought it was ok. And FUCK Ferdie Pachaceo another piece of shit after that stupid stupid interview last night saying " it was great ". Sorry I'm getting a little pissed off again. But in the end Frazier is still pissed and rightfully so. Fuck Ali for doing that who was his FRIEND in the beginning. He is a backstabbing piece of shit in my mind.

[El Kabong]

Oh I am certainly pissed off about it too...Ali does all this EVIL stuff, he never got called on it, nobody ever said "this is wrong" not even Jesse Jackson who if I'm not mistaken has always been opposed to racism, Bryant Gumbel even WILLINGLY participated in the racism against Joe Frazier with the article "Is Joe Frazier a white champion in black skin"

And yet after doing all this crap Ali makes the money, Ali is the icon, Ali is "The Greatest of All-Time"....and all Joe has is his gym and his comparative good health.

Also guys like Gumbel and Jackson are still around spouting their views on race....you already gave us your views and they were fucking wrong 30 years ago and they are wrong right now!

This documentary described in detail why I have a hard time respecting Muhammed Ali as a person.

[Nameless]

I like Ali as a boxer, hate him as a person and I am unfortunate enough to not have access to HBO at the moment, hopefully it'll be uploaded somewhere eventually so I can see it and give my opinion about the documentary.

[BoomBoom]

Id love to see the documentary. Ill be completely honest, ive always been a fan of Ali and respected him as a person, but I wasnt around during that era so all Ive heard about Ali is the good. Unfortunately, like everything else the media puts its spin on things and ultimately we get cheated out of the ablity to develop our own opinions based on facts.

[rjj tszyu]

Oh I am certainly pissed off about it too...Ali does all this EVIL stuff, he never got called on it, nobody ever said "this is wrong" not even Jesse Jackson who if I'm not mistaken has always been opposed to racism, Bryant Gumbel even WILLINGLY participated in the racism against Joe Frazier with the article "Is Joe Frazier a white champion in black skin"

And yet after doing all this crap Ali makes the money, Ali is the icon, Ali is "The Greatest of All-Time"....and all Joe has is his gym and his comparative good health.

Also guys like Gumbel and Jackson are still around spouting their views on race....you already gave us your views and they were fucking wrong 30 years ago and they are wrong right now!

This documentary described in detail why I have a hard time respecting Muhammed Ali as a person.

It was all gimmicks to sell the fight though. If you watch champions forever you can see that they have a lot of respect for each other.

Also you talk about Ali being beat up in all 3 fights with Joe. Well Joe is a certain top 10 all time great HW. He beat up on everyone he ever fought barring Foreman and that was only because he was tailor made for Foreman. There is no shame at all in being beat up by Smokin' Joe!

[match]

Oh I am certainly pissed off about it too...Ali does all this EVIL stuff, he never got called on it, nobody ever said "this is wrong" not even Jesse Jackson who if I'm not mistaken has always been opposed to racism, Bryant Gumbel even WILLINGLY participated in the racism against Joe Frazier with the article "Is Joe Frazier a white champion in black skin"

And yet after doing all this crap Ali makes the money, Ali is the icon, Ali is "The Greatest of All-Time"....and all Joe has is his gym and his comparative good health.

Also guys like Gumbel and Jackson are still around spouting their views on race....you already gave us your views and they were fucking wrong 30 years ago and they are wrong right now!

This documentary described in detail why I have a hard time respecting Muhammed Ali as a person.

"I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong...They never called me n!gger."--Muhammad Ali

If you're smart enough to understand this quote, you should be smart enough to realize why Ali (as well as millions of Black people) were pissed off and why this thread is so asinine.

[Lance Uppercut]

Oh I am certainly pissed off about it too...Ali does all this EVIL stuff, he never got called on it, nobody ever said "this is wrong" not even Jesse Jackson who if I'm not mistaken has always been opposed to racism, Bryant Gumbel even WILLINGLY participated in the racism against Joe Frazier with the article "Is Joe Frazier a white champion in black skin"

And yet after doing all this crap Ali makes the money, Ali is the icon, Ali is "The Greatest of All-Time"....and all Joe has is his gym and his comparative good health.

Also guys like Gumbel and Jackson are still around spouting their views on race....you already gave us your views and they were fucking wrong 30 years ago and they are wrong right now!

This documentary described in detail why I have a hard time respecting Muhammed Ali as a person.

"I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong...They never called me n!gger."--Muhammad Ali

If you're smart enough to understand this quote, you should be smart enough to realize why Ali (as well as millions of Black people) were pissed off and why this thread is so asinine.

Yea, a thread about a boxing documentary, on a boxing forum, where people have different opinions. That is "so asinine."

[Hulk]

...it is just tragic the way Ali treated Joe, and Ali gets the praise and the glory and all Joe gets is the satisfaction of beating up Ali in all 3 fights....he lost 2 of them but Frazier hurt him there is no denying that.

I watched this documentary and I really got angry. If you choose Ali you were right and if Frazier you were a racist or an uncle Tom. What a crock of shit. Nevermind the fact that Frazier was just a hard nosed blue collared fighter who worked his whole life since he was a kid and Ali was a middle-class school enrolled student who was bred for olympic glory. Something oddley enough when Ali called Frazier an Uncle Tom and a pure nigger. When Frazier was actually treated like a slave his whole life and had to fight for everything he got. I kept saying god damn people were stupid back then. Here is a man who has done nothing to nobody just won the heavyweight crown by KO,and didn't hype himself as "The Greatest" kept his mouth shut and did his job,also helped his friend Ali in need by giving him money when he was flat broke,then get's him back into the ring, then Ali spits back in his face by destroying Frazier's life and Frazier's children from simple childish name calling and the stupid ass media ate the shit up. Fuck everyone who was ever involved with that and thought it was ok. And FUCK Ferdie Pachaceo another piece of shit after that stupid stupid interview last night saying " it was great ". Sorry I'm getting a little pissed off again. But in the end Frazier is still pissed and rightfully so. Fuck Ali for doing that who was his FRIEND in the beginning. He is a backstabbing piece of shit in my mind.

I honestly thought the documentary was bias in Fraizer's favor heavily.

I like Fraizer better so doesn't bother me but I'm just sayin thats what I saw.

[Majesty]

From the documentaries around the first fight him and Frazier were both going at it verbally. Ali was much more hardcore in what he was saying but didn't Frazier refer to Ali as "Cassius" during the first fight hype as well?

The main fact is, Ali then and Ali now and Frazier then and Frazier now. Ali moved on and made strides to be a better person after his boxing career which is why he is "the greatest"

Joe still holds onto 30 years ago and only reconciles with Ali if there is money involved and then reniggs it.

Nothing those two have done should be excused by anyone.

The difference is Ali has nothing to be excused for now, he's tried, and done all he can to make things right. Frazier is intent on still having some, and thats his fault.

watching the documentary would make you think the third fight crowd was pro Frazier all night

But when I watch the fight on ESPN Classic they booed at the start and Ali started making faces and pretending to cry and they began cheering. And they cheered even more when Ali and Frazier were talking trash in the ring introductions and I think Ali was saying "I'm gonna kick your ass" And Frazier was saying something back.

But it wasn't a pro Frazier only crowd as the documentary would let you think, they cheered at all the high spots, not just when Frazier did something.