Lets get something straight!

[Julius Rain]

In all honesty all that matters to me now is PAC winning his 7th weight div championship, I don't care who he fights catch weight or not. I just want him to make history to be the first boxer to do so.

your right man, forget these babies whining. history wont hear them at all but that 7th weight div title will be told loudly.

[Julius Rain]

I just don't see the point. The weight classes exist, so why not just follow what exists instead of trying to find loopholes around them. Pac is at 140, Cotto is at 147. If Manny cannot deal with 147 then he should stick it out at 140. It's a simple logic.

miles do you know cotto wants the fight too? are you guys forgetting that two fighters are agreeing to a catchweight? Yes pac is at 140 and cotto is at 147, why do you think a catchweight is being negotiated

If cotto didnt want the fight i assure you pac would rather stay at 140, same goes with mosley and floyd. Pac is risking to fight above 140 for the big name tough fighters, and he shouldn't be allowed to negotiate a catchweight? Like i said if these bigger fighters didnt want to fight pac, pac wouldn't go above 140.

I thought you guys aren't crediting pacs win over dela hoya at 147, so why do some of you raise your standard of pac. fighting cotto or mosley at 147 is fair? Seriously are you guys forgetting how hard you laughed at anybody that mentioned pac possibly fighting anybody above 140, now the bar has been raise and pac shouldnt have a catchweight above 140 cause he'll clearly have the advantage over any welterweight

[Julius Rain]

so why go looking for them? Esp. when there are rumours about those particular fighter working real hard to hit the maximum weight, unless you think you are trying to catch a soft title/payday.

If boxers come in to these fights light then we expect them to be looking to gain a speed advantage.

People are picking Pac over Cotto (but not Mosely) based on their last fights repectively.

Pac took out a chin up no plan Hatton, Mosely looked reborn against a static Margarito, Cotto had the toughest fight of the three, not because he is the worst of the bunch but because the man opposite him was good, plenty of people picked Berto to win.

A catchweight is fair if both fighters can comfortably make that weight.


It's bad enough they split the orignal weight divisions, now the current crop isn't good enough (for some) they want to split it up even more?

Cotto himself said he could do 145 no problem, in his last bout he weighed in at 146. Pac is unlikely to even weigh in at 144 if he fights above junier weltwer weight. Do you still think its unfair?

Are you guys telling me you guys believe pac would easily beat cotto at any weight below 147? nuthuggers!

Its up to the two fighters and this fight is likely to happen at a catchweight.

Of course he said that. Offer me 10 million dollars and I'll tell you I can make 80 lbs and I'll try my best to do it. Boxers say and do all kinds of things to get marquee fights made.

Just because he can make the weight doesn't mean he's going to be at his best. I think Pac would beat Cotto handily at 147 and that victory would have a lot more credibility than one at 145. Like it or not, if this fight takes place anywhere below 147, it will always have an asterix beside it in many peoples eyes.

yea ofcourse the nuetral fans would be like cotto was shot and couldn't pull the trigger at 145 right?

Pac wins, he gets another big win over a great fighter plus his 7th division title. Thats what the history book would read, not what the bias fans would say

[generalbulldog]

If it's just a catchweight fight no one would really cry foul, it would be another one of those Jones-Trinidad or Pavlik-Hopkins fight.

But a catchweight fight for a world title? lol
That's just a joke.

As Marvin Hagler once said, "if you want to be champion, if you want to take my titles, then I think you better come and take it."

And Pacman should come and take it at 147.

[rjj tszyu]

I don't think it matters. I think Pac will beat Cotto even at 147. Now if someone had told me i'd be saying that 12 months ago I would have laughed in their face.

[The Congressman]

Pac winning a 7th division title at catchweight?.. Sure, I'm with it. He's not gonna get so much credit for it, but that'll be ok for now. Maybe he can fight for the real 147 belt early next year. He hasn't outgrown jr welter yet, so why the rush at 147?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

In all honesty all that matters to me now is PAC winning his 7th weight div championship, I don't care who he fights catch weight or not. I just want him to make history to be the first boxer to do so.

your right man, forget these babies whining. history wont hear them at all but that 7th weight div title will be told loudly.

Wrong.

Is Freddie Roach now deciding what the Welterweight limit should be?

It will not be a 7th weight div. championship because none exist at 145.

Fact

[Diane]

In all honesty all that matters to me now is PAC winning his 7th weight div championship, I don't care who he fights catch weight or not. I just want him to make history to be the first boxer to do so.

your right man, forget these babies whining. history wont hear them at all but that 7th weight div title will be told loudly.

Well since all you Pac fans think Manny walks on water, and since you're so confident in your man's abilities, then you should have no problem with him fighting for that 7th title at 147.

If Manny beats Cotto at 147, I'll have absolutely no problem giving him credit for it, but when Cotto beats Manny, will you Pac fans be able to do the same, without whining?

[Pavlik]

In all honesty all that matters to me now is PAC winning his 7th weight div championship, I don't care who he fights catch weight or not. I just want him to make history to be the first boxer to do so.

your right man, forget these babies whining. history wont hear them at all but that 7th weight div title will be told loudly.

Well since all you Pac fans think Manny walks on water, and since you're so confident in your man's abilities, then you should have no problem with him fighting for that 7th title at 147.

If Manny beats Cotto at 147, I'll have absolutely no problem giving him credit for it, but when Cotto beats Manny, will you Pac fans be able to do the same, without whining?

we're not whining and do not think PAC walks on water Ma'am.

[generalbulldog]

Alright, maybe Cotto should agree to a catch weight of 146 1/2 pounds on the scale for the welterweight titles. I say that's a pretty fair catch weight.

[fan johnny]

In all honesty all that matters to me now is PAC winning his 7th weight div championship, I don't care who he fights catch weight or not. I just want him to make history to be the first boxer to do so.

your right man, forget these babies whining. history wont hear them at all but that 7th weight div title will be told loudly.

Well since all you Pac fans think Manny walks on water, and since you're so confident in your man's abilities, then you should have no problem with him fighting for that 7th title at 147.

If Manny beats Cotto at 147, I'll have absolutely no problem giving him credit for it, but when Cotto beats Manny, will you Pac fans be able to do the same, without whining?

If Cotto wins he'll get credit, just as if Pac wins he'll get credit. This stuff about the weight is just nonsense.....

[Howlin Mad Missy]

your right man, forget these babies whining. history wont hear them at all but that 7th weight div title will be told loudly.

Well since all you Pac fans think Manny walks on water, and since you're so confident in your man's abilities, then you should have no problem with him fighting for that 7th title at 147.

If Manny beats Cotto at 147, I'll have absolutely no problem giving him credit for it, but when Cotto beats Manny, will you Pac fans be able to do the same, without whining?

If Cotto wins he'll get credit, just as if Pac wins he'll get credit. This stuff about the weight is just nonsense.....

unless you're the one struggling to cut weight.

[Julius Rain]

In all honesty all that matters to me now is PAC winning his 7th weight div championship, I don't care who he fights catch weight or not. I just want him to make history to be the first boxer to do so.

your right man, forget these babies whining. history wont hear them at all but that 7th weight div title will be told loudly.

Well since all you Pac fans think Manny walks on water, and since you're so confident in your man's abilities, then you should have no problem with him fighting for that 7th title at 147.

If Manny beats Cotto at 147, I'll have absolutely no problem giving him credit for it, but when Cotto beats Manny, will you Pac fans be able to do the same, without whining?

REally diane? really? i know when others resort to comments like that they are offended somehow. But yes i do think pac has a good chance even at 147. What do you think pacs chances are at a catchweight? do you think its a sealed win? i didnt think so.

[killersheep]

Catchweights should not be for titles period. The belt is for fighters that can make 141-147 at the weigh-in. The 145 limit is not the Welterweight limit and therefore should not be for the WELTERWEIGHT title. If Cotto and PAC want to fight at a catchweight fine, but you cannot justify it being for a title other than you want your boy to get his 7th div title. If PAC wants a 7th division title fight someone within the limits of the seventh division, not some made-up limit.

[Julius Rain]

Catchweights should not be for titles period. The belt is for fighters that can make 141-147 at the weigh-in. The 145 limit is not the Welterweight limit and therefore should not be for the WELTERWEIGHT title. If Cotto and PAC want to fight at a catchweight fine, but you cannot justify it being for a title other than you want your boy to get his 7th div title. If PAC wants a 7th division title fight someone within the limits of the seventh division, not some made-up limit.

If a champ agrees to it then a title can be on the line at a catchweight. Just like in the past fighters have agreed to a catchweight to put two division titles on the line.

Come on guys this isnt the first time its going to happen.