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[killersheep]

I refuse to rank someone of the basis of a draw so that leaves out Mayol (who hasn't had a meaningful win in three years by the way) and Kayo who hasn't had a win yet this year.

For me its more the fact that he didn't lose to our #1 guy, but I see where your coming from. The rematch looks set... unfortunately Calderon's gonna school him!

I was well aware Marquez was bypassing the pool and into the rankings. There was no mistake. That was the intention. I didn't know it wasn't allowed. So be it. I say leave it vacant

It is allowed for a fighter to bypass the pool, but Marquez has never fought at 108. The Esquer fight was at 115. We have moved him into the pool at 115. The mistake was voting on a guy who had never fought at that weight...

It says right in our rules though "Draws will have no effect on the rankings"

[Galaxy]

The Calderon draw didn't have any effect on our ratings! Except to move Mayol into the pool (remember also that Latimore entered the pool at 154 on a loss). There is a vacancy in which we are voting on Mayol is in the pool & I'm basing my vote on his last performance, won, lost or drawn...

[killersheep]

The Calderon draw didn't have any effect on our ratings! Except to move Mayol into the pool (remember also that Latimore entered the pool at 154 on a loss). There is a vacancy in which we are voting on Mayol is in the pool & I'm basing my vote on his last performance, won, lost or drawn...

The more I dig down on this look at Mayols record of late

We know about the Draw against Calderon, stopped early because of three headbutts.

The fight before that, same story but he won a majority technical decision against Ardin Diale who had a record of 5-1-1.

Before that Suchanya 5-7 where he won by TKO, a man that has yet to beat anyone with any prior pro fights, and most of his wins were against guys that retired after that one fight.

Both fights before that he was stopped by good competition in Hernandez and Solis.

Before that he blasted out Masatugu Okada who until that point hadn't won in three years, and continued to lose to mediocre competition for a few years after that until he retired.

Before that, he lost to who I thought at the time was the man at minimum weight Eagle Kyowa.

There is nothing in there that merits being ranked in the top 10 and that's going back three years. If he had a draw against Calderon but before that he was on some kind of run against opponents worth mentioning you may have a case, but it is a joke to rank someone with his recent track record. It's funny too that even on his biography on Boxrec they are making excuses.......

"After a year of inactivity he had to bolt out from his manager and find ways to fight because he has a family to feed. Then came Canadian match maker Michael Koncz who gave him a title shot in an under card for the Morales- Diaz match in Chicago.
Once again Mayol proved to everyone that he can mix it up with the champion banging him and almost decking the champ. But he was caught with a picture perfect left hook which sent him to the canvas for the count. It was a very frustrating loss for Mayol. What people didn't know was that Mayol had to undergo hell before that match. First, he had no sparring partner. He only sparred with Filipino Mercidito Gesta which is too much for a 108lb fighter like Mayol (Gesta is 133 lbs). Second is they were basically abandoned by his Japanese Manager. Koncz was just a matchmaker so they basically had look out for their own training. Homer Sayson a famous columnist said that sometimes they only ate once a day and they had to walk from their apartment to the gym. In the end, Mayol was malnourished and was not in good shape when he fought Solis. With the loss, the Philippine Boxing Media basically wrote him off until Manny Pacquiao came to his rescue and bought his contract from his Japanese Manager.
Retrieved from "http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Rodel_Mayol"

[Galaxy]

Its not that I don't agree with you, Mayol has not been impressive. But as I said I'm basing my vote on his last performance! Over the completed rounds he performed well against our #1 rated guy & very nearly got the nod... & the fact is he didn't lose! That's good enough for me! He gets my vote!

Can't be that much of a joke as The Ring also rates him.

Latimore got rated in with his last fight being a loss, sure he had the Powell victory also but that's not what got him in, it was how he performed in his last bout with Spinks. Just like Mayol's last performance against Calderon!

[killersheep]

Its not that I don't agree with you, Mayol has not been impressive. But as I said I'm basing my vote on his last performance! Over the completed rounds he performed well against our #1 rated guy & very nearly got the nod... & the fact is he didn't lose! That's good enough for me! He gets my vote!

Can't be that much of a joke as The Ring also rates him.

Latimore got rated in with his last fight being a loss, sure he had the Powell victory also but that's not what got him in, it was how he performed in his last bout with Spinks. Just like Mayol's last performance against Calderon!

I didn't vote for the Latimore spot either. Point of fact is that 108 is a very weak division right now, most of the guys that I would like to consider for this position have moved up. The Ring's rankings don't matter to me in justifying how we rank a fighter.

[Galaxy]

Its not that I don't agree with you, Mayol has not been impressive. But as I said I'm basing my vote on his last performance! Over the completed rounds he performed well against our #1 rated guy & very nearly got the nod... & the fact is he didn't lose! That's good enough for me! He gets my vote!

Can't be that much of a joke as The Ring also rates him.

Latimore got rated in with his last fight being a loss, sure he had the Powell victory also but that's not what got him in, it was how he performed in his last bout with Spinks. Just like Mayol's last performance against Calderon!

I didn't vote for the Latimore spot either. Point of fact is that 108 is a very weak division right now, most of the guys that I would like to consider for this position have moved up. The Ring's rankings don't matter to me in justifying how we rank a fighter.

Just using Latimore as an example, just because you didn't vote doesn't make it any less of a reality.

I agree 108 is extremely weak, hence the reason I voted for a guy who performed well against our best guy & a P4P guy to boot!

Again just using The Ring Ratings as an example, just because you disagree with something doesn't make it a joke. We all have different opinions & we're not always going to agree, which makes the voting system so good imo

But I stand by my initial vote, Mayol fought pretty much even up with Calderon (our #1 & also on the P4P) over the completed rounds. Its not his fault the fight was stopped (I feel he would have lost had it continued), but as it is he could have easily got the decision, he stepped in the ring, fought the best in the division & didn't leave with a loss. In a weak division that's more than enough to earn a vacant position.

[killersheep]

Its not that I don't agree with you, Mayol has not been impressive. But as I said I'm basing my vote on his last performance! Over the completed rounds he performed well against our #1 rated guy & very nearly got the nod... & the fact is he didn't lose! That's good enough for me! He gets my vote!

Can't be that much of a joke as The Ring also rates him.

Latimore got rated in with his last fight being a loss, sure he had the Powell victory also but that's not what got him in, it was how he performed in his last bout with Spinks. Just like Mayol's last performance against Calderon!

I didn't vote for the Latimore spot either. Point of fact is that 108 is a very weak division right now, most of the guys that I would like to consider for this position have moved up. The Ring's rankings don't matter to me in justifying how we rank a fighter.

Just using Latimore as an example, just because you didn't vote doesn't make it any less of a reality.

I agree 108 is extremely weak, hence the reason I voted for a guy who performed well against our best guy & a P4P guy to boot!

Again just using The Ring Ratings as an example, just because you disagree with something doesn't make it a joke. We all have different opinions & we're not always going to agree, which makes the voting system so good imo

But I stand by my initial vote, Mayol fought pretty much even up with Calderon (our #1 & also on the P4P) over the completed rounds. Its not his fault the fight was stopped (I feel he would have lost had it continued), but as it is he could have easily got the decision, he stepped in the ring, fought the best in the division & didn't leave with a loss. In a weak division that's more than enough to earn a vacant position.

I apologize for going overboard with the joke statement. I am making my case strongly because we have a tie (a tie with very little time left.)
As it stands now VD is going to have to break the tie and if he sticks with leave it vacant he essentially gets a triple vote on this. I am fine with the decision he has made, but it would be good to at least have another person vote on it.

[Spicoli]

Always good to hash it out yeah.I'm going the predictable route.Don't we have Mayol/Calderon rematch in 30 days?A few other meaningful ones also.I vote we leave em vacant

[Violent Demise]

Its not that I don't agree with you, Mayol has not been impressive. But as I said I'm basing my vote on his last performance! Over the completed rounds he performed well against our #1 rated guy & very nearly got the nod... & the fact is he didn't lose! That's good enough for me! He gets my vote!

Can't be that much of a joke as The Ring also rates him.

Latimore got rated in with his last fight being a loss, sure he had the Powell victory also but that's not what got him in, it was how he performed in his last bout with Spinks. Just like Mayol's last performance against Calderon!

Latimore fight went 12 rounds. It was a complete effort. It was also a fight many (myself included) felt he should of got the win.

Mayol did well for 6 rounds. Half a fight. There's no telling what would of happened in the 2nd half of the fight. I can't rank him based on a incomplete effort.

I didn't vote for the Latimore spot either. Point of fact is that 108 is a very weak division right now, most of the guys that I would like to consider for this position have moved up. The Ring's rankings don't matter to me in justifying how we rank a fighter.

Just using Latimore as an example, just because you didn't vote doesn't make it any less of a reality.

I agree 108 is extremely weak, hence the reason I voted for a guy who performed well against our best guy & a P4P guy to boot!

Again just using The Ring Ratings as an example, just because you disagree with something doesn't make it a joke. We all have different opinions & we're not always going to agree, which makes the voting system so good imo

But I stand by my initial vote, Mayol fought pretty much even up with Calderon (our #1 & also on the P4P) over the completed rounds. Its not his fault the fight was stopped (I feel he would have lost had it continued), but as it is he could have easily got the decision, he stepped in the ring, fought the best in the division & didn't leave with a loss. In a weak division that's more than enough to earn a vacant position.

I apologize for going overboard with the joke statement. I am making my case strongly because we have a tie (a tie with very little time left.)
As it stands now VD is going to have to break the tie and if he sticks with leave it vacant he essentially gets a triple vote on this. I am fine with the decision he has made, but it would be good to at least have another person vote on it.

Leave it vacant

[Galaxy]

This poll has now closed. The results are as follows:

The #9 position remains vacant by a vote of 3 points for leave it vacant to 2 points for Rodel Mayol & 1 point Edren Dapudong

[Galaxy]

Should Rafael Concepcion remain in the pool after being defeated by Nonito Donaire (now our #9)?

He came in way overweight & lost by quite a wide decision... I think he should be removed

[Galaxy]

With Nonito Donaire entering at #9 after defeating Rafael Concepcion we only have one more position to fill at this weight, so who should it be?

Jose Lopez/ Marvin Sonosona winner Sep 4
Roberto Vasquez/ Drian Francisco Oct 3
Hernan Marquez after his recent win over Juan Esquer
Or leave it vacant

[Violent Demise]

I thought we agreed it was the Jose Lopez-Marvin Sonosona winner

[Violent Demise]

Fukk. I voted wrong. I agree that he needs to be removed

[Galaxy]

Fukk. I voted wrong. I agree that he needs to be removed

No worries mate, we'll count your vote as removal