how hurt was cintron really??

[Howlin Mad Missy]

yeah but it was the doctor hovering over him telling him not to.

[piye]

He said he was winded.

[Gandalf]

He said he was winded.

So after having got his breath back 1 or 2 minutes later he could have attempted to move his head or stand up and at least make it clear that he was just winded. With the way he was carrying on you would have expected at least some damage, but he is walking around fine. What kind of person doesn't even attempt to stand up after a minor fall? It makes no sense to me. I'm not someone who wants fighters to come to harm, but this was a minor tumble out of the ring and the fact that he is walking around fine proves it was just that. Those fans should get a refund for that. What a con!

[doublehook2]

Guys, seriously watch the tape again. I don't think Cintron was faking at all, and I don't think he "dove out the ring" as some have suggested.

Keep a few things in mind before you judge this situation. First of all, Williams was attempting to clinch Cintron, but missed Cintron and started to fall down. As Williams was falling down, he tried to grab on to Cintron's arm. And by doing that, as Williams was falling down, he spun Cintron towards the ropes.

Cintron's momentum went hard towards the ropes, the ropes were loose as hell, and he went right through. As he started falling, it looked like he jumped out, but in reality, his legs lifted off the ground because his torso was falling towards the floor outside the ropes. So his legs lifted up and he landed hard on the table, with that monitor or device or whatever, and landed hard on his lower back.

Keep this in mind also : THIS ISN'T WWE. In boxing, you have gloves on, so you can't grab the rope on your way down to slow your momentum. (as WWE wrestlers do when they fall over or through the ropes). So he landed hard because he's wearing boxing gloves that don't allow you to grab the rope to ease your fall. Also, unlike WWE, you don't have padding on the outside of the ropes. There were media people with tables and television monitors and statistical devices on the tables.

Cintron landed hard on that table. And I don't think he was faking, but at the same time he got the wind knocked out of him. He had doctor's surrounding him asking him questions when all he wanted to do with breathe and use his 5 minutes to recover.

It was a crazy funny situation, but it all happened so fast I think too many people are jumping to conclusions criticizing Cintron. All the while IT WAS WILLIAMS WHO MISSED HIS ATTEMPTED CLINCH, WENT DOWN AND GRABBED ONTO CINTRON SPINNING HIM TOWARDS AND THROUGH THE ROPES.

[GAME]

Obviously there was nothing wrong with him. I thought I would wait and see what they would find at the hospital, but obviously there was nothing wrong with him. He wasn't moving at all which would have indicated some kind of possibly serious injury, but the fact that he wouldn't move when there was nothing wrong with him makes me question his motives. He could have got up and taken his time once he had got his breath, but he didn't respond with anything and there he was was on a stretcher and with a neck brace? There would have been no need for any of that carry on had he just got up and saw for himself what the extent of his injuries was. What a joke and what a waste for all those who paid good money to go and see that fight. Disgraceful. He's fine, probably not even a bruised rib.

Yeah I was angry about staying up just to watch that trash. My initial thoughts were Cintron was faking but watching how seriously they took it, I had to question it. I expected to wake up this morning and hear he had been paralysed for life or something severe considering how bad they made it look last night

A NC would have been a fair result but Im glad it went Pauls way cuz I cant imagine him pulling a stunt like that. Kermit probably wasnt aware of the rules and thought it would be a NC if he stayed down. Anyone who has bets on PW should cash em in as soon as cuz theres a chance Cintron could get this result changed.

Barrera - Juarez, Winky - Simon and Brodie - Chi are all fights that had the results changed after it was offcially announced.

[doublehook2]

A NC would have been a fair result but Im glad it went Pauls way cuz I cant imagine him pulling a stunt like that. Kermit probably wasnt aware of the rules and thought it would be a NC if he stayed down. Anyone who has bets on PW should cash em in as soon as cuz theres a chance Cintron could get this result changed.

Barrera - Juarez, Winky - Simon and Brodie - Chi are all fights that had the results changed after it was offcially announced.

Hrmm interesting point. But were those fights in California? I think the rarity of the California rule was the fact that this was a non title fight. I think had it been a title fight, it would have been under different rules and would have been a no contest since the 4th round didn't end. But apparently the rule for California non title fights is it's only a no contest if it ends before the 4th round starts . I had no idea of this rule, and apparently neither did the ref.

As much as a no contest would have clearly been the fairest decision, something tells me the result won't be changed due to the rule. Then again, apparently the rule also is that you get 5 minutes to recover in a situation like that. So you may be right about cashing in quickly for those who bet on Williams, but at the same time, I don't think it'll be changed since it was a non-title fight and apparently that was the rule.

Still, I have no idea what could or will happen. Other decisions have been appealed and changed. I actually think if the rematch is made, it probably won't be changed. If Williams chooses not to rematch Cintron, then maybe Cintron will appeal and try to get it changed to a no contest. Still, even if the ref wasn't aware of the no contest california rule for non title fights, if it is in fact a rule, then I don't see any reason why it would be changed.

Maybe perhaps Cintron could argue that he didn't get 5 minutes, and that could make it a no contest. Lots of things up in the air here.

[Nameless]

I was in bed and haven't see the whole but the way you speak about it it sounds like a much controversial episode, I'll find the fight and come back with my opinion on the matter.

[ono]

I agree he should have stood up if he wasn't seriously hurt.

I don't know why he would fake though.

He was winning the fight and not getting hurt in there or hit clean.

He's been sparring with Andre Dirrell

[doublehook2]

I was in bed and haven't see the whole but the way you speak about it it sounds like a much controversial episode, I'll find the fight and come back with my opinion on the matter.

Ha. Definitely watch it. I can guarantee that you've never seen anything like it...ever. Let us know your thoughts after you watch it.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

A NC would have been a fair result but Im glad it went Pauls way cuz I cant imagine him pulling a stunt like that. Kermit probably wasnt aware of the rules and thought it would be a NC if he stayed down. Anyone who has bets on PW should cash em in as soon as cuz theres a chance Cintron could get this result changed.

Barrera - Juarez, Winky - Simon and Brodie - Chi are all fights that had the results changed after it was offcially announced.

Hrmm interesting point. But were those fights in California? I think the rarity of the California rule was the fact that this was a non title fight. I think had it been a title fight, it would have been under different rules and would have been a no contest since the 4th round didn't end. But apparently the rule for California non title fights is it's only a no contest if it ends before the 4th round starts . I had no idea of this rule, and apparently neither did the ref.

As much as a no contest would have clearly been the fairest decision, something tells me the result won't be changed due to the rule. Then again, apparently the rule also is that you get 5 minutes to recover in a situation like that. So you may be right about cashing in quickly for those who bet on Williams, but at the same time, I don't think it'll be changed since it was a non-title fight and apparently that was the rule.

Still, I have no idea what could or will happen. Other decisions have been appealed and changed. I actually think if the rematch is made, it probably won't be changed. If Williams chooses not to rematch Cintron, then maybe Cintron will appeal and try to get it changed to a no contest. Still, even if the ref wasn't aware of the no contest california rule for non title fights, if it is in fact a rule, then I don't see any reason why it would be changed.

Maybe perhaps Cintron could argue that he didn't get 5 minutes, and that could make it a no contest. Lots of things up in the air here.

how can they not know the rules they are fighting under?

Cintron's people need to complain or at least threaten on sue whoever set up the ring

[JazMerkin]

Classic. The 'I saw two angles on a TV replay so I can decide how badly he was hurt' boxing fan mantra. I think Cintron, just like Dirrell, is having his previous behaviour held against him. Everyone in the arena, the Dr, the Ref & HBO all said Cintron wanted to continue. Considering how he fell on that monitor, I wouldn't be surprised if he was winded, but the doc can't take a risk with a possible punctured lung. I had it 2-1 Cintron at that point, I don't know how anyone could claim to have accurately scored that 4th round seeing as it was only 30 seconds old. Once again (after wrap-gate), the CSAC shows itself to be a complete joke, both with its implementation of rules and the fact they hadn't even tied the ropes together. That whole episode single-handedly displayed everything wrong with boxing.

[boozeboxer]

We all knew he was a bitch after Margarito. This is simply more of the same, but props for a creative way to quit.

[fan johnny]

A NC would have been a fair result but Im glad it went Pauls way cuz I cant imagine him pulling a stunt like that. Kermit probably wasnt aware of the rules and thought it would be a NC if he stayed down. Anyone who has bets on PW should cash em in as soon as cuz theres a chance Cintron could get this result changed.

Barrera - Juarez, Winky - Simon and Brodie - Chi are all fights that had the results changed after it was offcially announced.

Hrmm interesting point. But were those fights in California? I think the rarity of the California rule was the fact that this was a non title fight. I think had it been a title fight, it would have been under different rules and would have been a no contest since the 4th round didn't end. But apparently the rule for California non title fights is it's only a no contest if it ends before the 4th round starts . I had no idea of this rule, and apparently neither did the ref.

As much as a no contest would have clearly been the fairest decision, something tells me the result won't be changed due to the rule. Then again, apparently the rule also is that you get 5 minutes to recover in a situation like that. So you may be right about cashing in quickly for those who bet on Williams, but at the same time, I don't think it'll be changed since it was a non-title fight and apparently that was the rule.

Still, I have no idea what could or will happen. Other decisions have been appealed and changed. I actually think if the rematch is made, it probably won't be changed. If Williams chooses not to rematch Cintron, then maybe Cintron will appeal and try to get it changed to a no contest. Still, even if the ref wasn't aware of the no contest california rule for non title fights, if it is in fact a rule, then I don't see any reason why it would be changed.

Maybe perhaps Cintron could argue that he didn't get 5 minutes, and that could make it a no contest. Lots of things up in the air here.

how can they not know the rules they are fighting under?

Cintron's people need to complain or at least threaten on sue whoever set up the ring

In the interview, Cintron already set up the informal challenge. He stated he didn't understand why didn't they give him the 5 minutes as is stated in the rules. If the Commission asked Williams, weather or not he'd have any problem with a NC and a rematch, I wonder what his response is? He already responded "he didn't want a win like that" post fight. The issue is, does the Doctor(s) ruling takes precedent over the 5 minute rule. I would think if the Doctor says the fighter can't continue rather than the fighter saying it, then the fighter has no say. If the rule is vague, and doesn't specify where the judgment originates from, then a formal challenge has a chance overturning the win to a NC.

According to Cintron and what was apparent, Cintron was not given the opportunity by the doctor's to return to the ring. The whole thing may even be mute, if Doctor(s) took the decision away from the Commission.

[Spicoli]

First thing is any man who,or woman,who climbs through the ropes earns respect and has heart......at the beginning.Have to respect them and its the actions and dictates that occur as it goes that ask questions of that heart.You answer it one way or the other and the arm chair fans are left to decide,rightfully so but not always accurately.Fact of the matter is NO one will know how hurt he was and this question always happens when a dodgy circumstance rises.But a mans history follows him,he sets patterns to be judged by and all you can do is draw your own conclusions.Some fighters walk through hell with busted eyes and god knows what else not to be denied the right to go on,attempt to win and show some self determination.Some milk,take advantage of circumstances and look to walk out of doors that have been opened.No,I dont know that this is what was in his head,just as I nor anyone else who's being fair can say what would have happened if,when,might,could have...the fight continued.Speculation...all.

We dont know what was in his head.I dont get punched in the face for a living.But as previously stated I believe its past catching up to him,as has happened with other fighters.You get a pass by the almighty money paying fans once,maybe twice,but its the boy who cried wolfe...no pun intended...mind set.The Dr's did attend promptly and regardless of fandom we should all be thankful of that,and they may have been as much covering their azzes as they were being careful of injury...cynical thinking?Sure.But the bottom line is if I'm carrying on a full conversation and raising my voice in objection and not moving a muscle to act on it...well.I'm not being strapped in if I dont want to be.Did he insist on standing..were they sitting on his chest?

Would be interesting to know when was the fight officially 'waved' off.Did a count startAnyone know?

[:::PSL:::]

The cry-babyitch was fakin' it big time, and the ring doctor had no choice but to play it safe whether he believed Cintron or not.

Anyways, I thought it was a very competitive fight.

Why exactly would someone fake an injury so they could lose a fight on the cards?

Of course he wasn't faking don't be ridiculous.

He got hurt and couldn't continue, and then got screwed over with a stupid points loss.

People hold the Martinez draw against him but he wasn't a judge, that wasn't his fault, and he did take that fight at only two weeks notice.

He came to win tonight, and was boxing well up to the unfortunate incident.

The first 45 seconds, I believe he was in pain but not in great deal. C'mon man. He couldn't suck the pain up? If he really wanted to continue, then at least he should've showed some effort to get up. He was acting like he got paralized or something.

That's the fourth fight I've seen him biitch like that. HBO should ban him their programs.