how good was lennox lewis

[erics44]

Lewis was and is one of the Greatest heavyweights in history....he beat everyone he fought and would have beaten Wlad much easier if he had trained for him when they fought...Wlad did very well against Lewis due to a few factors

1. Lewis was suppose to fight someone easier that night
2. Lewis under trained
3. Lewis was in that retirement zone

fact is Wlad would have had a very hard nite if Lewis was at his best....Lewis is a true Great and the Klits ARE NOT

job biscuit (anyone got a punture repair kit)!!!

eh eh!!

sorry but Ocean's Eleven wasn't a real fight, Vitali fought Lewis, Wlad didn't, and you can make as many excuses as you want for Lennox but Vitali was getting the best of him once the stoppage came along, and although Lewis has a good resume, the Klitschko's have cleaned out the HW division Lewis did not, he didn't fight other top guys like Ruiz, Byrd, Toney, etc. at the end of his career, and when finally someone was able to go tooth and nail with him he decided to quit, the fact that Vitali retired and came back to have the post retirement career he has against mostly top opposition put's him on par with ANY recent HW champ including Lewis same goes for Wlad

Look at their faces at the end of that fight and then repeat that comment with a straight face.

Technically, yes Vitali was ahead in rounds on the judges scorecards, but Lewis inflicted so much damage that Vitali needed something like 50 stitches and could not continue. That, for me, is far more of an indicator that the round score after 6 rounds in showing who was winiing/won that fight.

And to suggest that Byrd and Ruiz and former 160 pound James Toney were better than the likes of Morrison, McCall, Tua, Tucker, Mercer, a Golota that had just taken Bowe to pieces twice, is laughable

don't really see how it's laughable, seeing how both Ruiz and Byrd did a hell of a lot more than Haye, yet everyone kept trying to play him up as if it was a must do fight for Wlad, whose resume is already stacked, lets face it apart from an old Holyfield, the heavies that Lewis pounded out are just as mediocre as the ones that Wlad and Vitali have stopped, Tua never even won a title hell his ONLY title shot was against Lewis, and well McCall, Morrison, Tucker, Mercer, and well Golota are the Arreola, Chagaev, Haye, Peter, Brewster, and McCline of yesteryear, they did enough to win or challenge for belts yet when they fought actual talent they were stomped

IMO Lewis and ATG don't go together, he doesn't even crack my top 10 yet neither do the Klitschko's

i agree with what you have said in your first paragraph

not even putting lewis in the top 10 all time is a bit daft tho

if you put fighters of latter eras in with fighters of earlier ones then it wouldnt be that fair because the latter eras have the benefits of nutrician and science and evolving techniques and all the experience of yester-years battles, that said maybe this is an unfair statement but

lewis would have beaten all fighters in his history, him on his day them on theirs

Im not saying that to be a biast brit, i dont even count lewis as a true brit

the only fighters in history who would challenge lewis for the best in history would be the klits

[brocktonblockbust]

Instead of regurgitating the opinions of haters and fair weather fans... why don't you watch some of his career and form your opinion on what you see with your own eyes... not what you read or hear from others.

what a stupid assumption you make. Only one regurgitating here is YOU. I couldnt give a rat's ass about haters and fair weather friends. This IS my opinion. YOu need to see a shrink seeing the delusions you are under about where people get their opinions.

[brocktonblockbust]

the only fighters in history who would challenge lewis for the best in history would be the klits

......disturbingly delusional.

[brocktonblockbust]

I'm sure you just make this shit up. Mavrovic never landed a glove on him.

Raucously hysterical that. See you were quite drunk that night, then.

[erics44]

the only fighters in history who would challenge lewis for the best in history would be the klits

......disturbingly delusional.

who would have beaten him?

[brocktonblockbust]

Erics44 you MUST be joking here. OK I'll assume you are not, then. Who would have beaten Lewis?

FIRST OF ALL 2 people ALREADY DID BEAT HIM DO YOU REMEMBER BOY?? Oliver McCall is one person who WOULD HAVE beaten him as well as someone named Hasim Rahman.
But let's skip those 2 nobodies and talk about some SOMEBODIES.

Let's start with the 100% surefire losses for ol' Lummox:

1. BIG George Foreman would have smoked Lewis in 3 rounds, any year, even in his comeback.
2. Prime Joe Louis would have no problem with Lennox, easy UD at the very least.
3. Cassius Clay prime would have made Lewis look the real slouch that he is.
4. Larry Holmes would SMOKE Lewis, the stamina he had, Lewis would be huffing and puffing by the 7th, Holmes would just tee-off with that long right he loved so much.

Need I go on? Even guys like prime Cleveland Williams, or prime Tyson had a 50-60% chance to smoke him. PLLLLLLLLLLLLLLeeeeeeeeeeease.

[erics44]

Erics44 you MUST be joking here. OK I'll assume you are not, then. Who would have beaten Lewis?

FIRST OF ALL 2 people ALREADY DID BEAT HIM DO YOU REMEMBER BOY?? Oliver McCall is one person who WOULD HAVE beaten him as well as someone named Hasim Rahman.
But let's skip those 2 nobodies and talk about some SOMEBODIES.

Let's start with the 100% surefire losses for ol' Lummox:

1. BIG George Foreman would have smoked Lewis in 3 rounds, any year, even in his comeback.
2. Prime Joe Louis would have no problem with Lennox, easy UD at the very least.
3. Cassius Clay prime would have made Lewis look the real slouch that he is.
4. Larry Holmes would SMOKE Lewis, the stamina he had, Lewis would be huffing and puffing by the 7th, Holmes would just tee-off with that long right he loved so much.

Need I go on? Even guys like prime Cleveland Williams, or prime Tyson had a 50-60% chance to smoke him. PLLLLLLLLLLLLLLeeeeeeeeeeease.

unfortunately mate, i disagree

and even if they would have beaten lewis, you are suggesting it would be easy for them? do you really think a fight with lewis would have been easy for anyone?

cummon man lets try and think objectively

[brocktonblockbust]

this link is for the idiot AdamGB who thinks I got the opinion about Mav rocking Lewis frm haters and fair weather friends. Sounds like AdamGB is eating hallucinogenic mushrooms.

Note round 7 how the 200 pound light-hitting vegetarian Mavrovic really staggers Lewis with about a 12 punch combination. Yeah AdamGB, I know its tough to understand how a person can form their own opinion; you better work on that knee-jerk reaction you have that people who disagree with you must have gotten their opinion from "haters".

[erics44]

this link is for the idiot AdamGB who thinks I got the opinion about Mav rocking Lewis frm haters and fair weather friends. Sounds like AdamGB is eating hallucinogenic mushrooms.

Note round 7 how the 200 pound light-hitting vegetarian Mavrovic really staggers Lewis with about a 12 punch combination. Yeah AdamGB, I know its tough to understand how a person can form their own opinion; you better work on that knee-jerk reaction you have that people who disagree with you must have gotten their opinion from "haters".

i just watched round 7 and i didnt notice

what time of the round was he staggered?

[brocktonblockbust]

and there's Lewis with 12 secs left in Rd 7 doing what he does best: holding Mav around the neck with his left arm, and firing rabbit punches with the right. Funny how Lewis and Bruno, both UK fighters, really truly LOVED this tactic. Lewis knocked out many an opponent either like this, or in his other favorite manner as he knocked out Mike Grant: holding his opponent in a headlock with his left, and throwing the uppercut underneath for the KO.

[erics44]

and there's Lewis with 12 secs left in Rd 7 doing what he does best: holding Mav around the neck with his left arm, and firing rabbit punches with the right. Funny how Lewis and Bruno, both UK fighters, really truly LOVED this tactic. Lewis knocked out many an opponent either like this, or in his other favorite manner as he knocked out Mike Grant: holding his opponent in a headlock with his left, and throwing the uppercut underneath for the KO.

you have some deap issues mate

maybe you need to find another way to spend your time

these boxing discussions dont seam to be doing anything for your mental stability

[brocktonblockbust]

0:59 the left hook definitely lights him up for a sec, you can see him buckle slightly before he fires his own left hook. Then clearly the uppercut at 0:50 takes some rib out of him and he goes back to the ropes, getting hit at 0:46 with a nice 1-2. He is clearly not in good shape in those moments. Then at 0:40 there is another nice 3 punch combo he gets hit with. Then a few more before he lands a geat counter right to back Mav off of him.

My point is Mav is a light hitter. No way does Lewis take those shots from a Foreman or a Cleveland Williams.

[Otley]

Lewis ducked Ruiz, Byrd and Toney?

Lets get some things in perspective.

1. No-one gave a shit about Lewis-Byrd. Don King, Byrd's promoter, paid Lewis $1million dollars to give up the IBF title, so Byrd-Holyfield could happen, whilst Lewis was contemplating retirement.

2. Ruiz turned down a Lewis fight on the date he fought Grant. Then got himself involved in the Holyfield WBA shit and lost to Jones. Ruiz being a serious challenger to Lewis is ridiculous.

3. Lewis basically retired after beating Tyson. He was only hanging around for a possible Tyson rematch and massive $30 million pot.

The date Lewis fought Vitali on was originally meant to be a Lewis/Tyson doubleheader. Tyson-Maskaev, Lewis-Johnson HBO PPV. However, Tyson pulled out. This is when Klitschko came into the picture. He fights on Lewis's undercard to set up a POSSIBLE match between the two. But Johnson pulls out so Lewis accepts Klitschko (to stop himself losing a fortune on the promotion).

For people that say they had the same preperation is just ridiculous.

Vitali was 31, a young hungry challenger trying to redeem the Klitschko name. He was seen as a coward. Wlad had just been splattered by Sanders. Lewis was 38, hadn't fought for a year, and spent that time contemplating retirement. Clearly their careers were in completely opposite places. Vitali was entering the fight of his life, with everything to gain and nothing to lose. Lewis was trying to save himself from losing a fortune against a guy that meant nothing to him.

Had Lewis lost there's no doubt there would have been a rematch. He didn't. And didn't need to prove anything against a fighter from a different generation to him.

I agree with everything you say fella...great reply......so in YOUR FACE LEWIS HATERS......for christ sakes.....LEWIS was a brilliant Champion and top 10 ALL-TIME GREAT......and he had a touch of CLASS about him inside and outside the ring.....so you sad peasents who diss this GREAT man should grow up


job biscuit (There will NEVER ever b ANOTHER Great man like LEWIS)!!!!!


eh eh!!!

[erics44]

0:59 the left hook definitely lights him up for a sec, you can see him buckle slightly before he fires his own left hook. Then clearly the uppercut at 0:50 takes some rib out of him and he goes back to the ropes, getting hit at 0:46 with a nice 1-2. He is clearly not in good shape in those moments. Then at 0:40 there is another nice 3 punch combo he gets hit with. Then a few more before he lands a geat counter right to back Mav off of him.

My point is Mav is a light hitter. No way does Lewis take those shots from a Foreman or a Cleveland Williams.

i can say for certain that if we were talking about a fighter you liked (or didnt dislike) those punches wouldnt have rocked him, in fact you would probably be singing his praises, saying how little affect they had

[brocktonblockbust]

you have some deap issues mate

maybe you need to find another way to spend your time

these boxing discussions dont seam to be doing anything for your mental stability

Standard British "come-back" when the plain truth is put before their eyes. Just change the subject and try to lambast other party's in typical British distraction strategy. Wont you people EVER come out from behind your pomposity?