Top 10 heavyweights of wlad's era...

[Hulk]

Bruno style was made to order for Tyson which was why he beat him convincingly the second time. The first time he had a fight with Mitch Green, broke his hand, marriage problems and was not ready mentally.

Tucker hurt his hand on Tyson with the uppercut and he had no problems with him, so stop making up Tyson had issues.

Tyson destroyed his opponents, as bad as you may want to make them out to be, he obliterated them like a great fighter that he was.

Wlads holding would only stall the inevitable, which is being beaten by Tyson.

Master how long you reckon it would have taken Tyson to stop Tony Thompson ?

Or Sultan Ibragimov ?

You underrate sultan.

Actually Mike Tyson loved this guy. Tyson said he had simliar hand speed to himself and nice skills. Tyson wanted to be in his corner for the Wlad fight but couldn't leave the state after legal issues.



Ibragimov aka Barney Rubble an olympic silver medallist (more than tyson ever got) who looked about as tough as cream pie.

Very good fighter! not flashy or anything but he fought smart...an intelligent fighter indeed and actually quite slick! Byrd v ibragimov would have been a chess match..

He was good enough to beat everyone not named Klitschko in my view. Always said he is the one heavy who should come back. He had fast hands, power, and could punch or box from his southpaw stance. His performances against briggs and an ageing holyfield were pretty much boxing clinics...and let's not forget he fought his way to a heavyweight unification fight! Wlad gave him massive respect in that fight (boring style clash) but klitschko was aware of iggies ability no doubt...

Oh well. Hope he is happy. took the money and got out with his health and respect in tact, good luck to him.

Did you see his fight with Ray Austin ?

Wasn't exactly Ali-Fraizer.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Why are u focusing on one fight? You can do that with any fighter! Go watch ali v cooper or a 6-0 leon spinks! Go watch frazier vs bonavena and bugner lol

Frazier would not be allowed to fight today anyway on medical grounds due to being blind in one eye his entire career!And if he did it would be at CW probably anyway. A fight from the 70's is irrelevant today, this old timer nonsense is boring.

And actually it was a good scrap:

[Hulk]

Why are u focusing on one fight? You can do that with any fighter! Go watch ali v cooper or a 6-0 leon spinks! Go watch frazier vs bonavena and bugner lol

Frazier would not be allowed to fight today anyway on medical grounds due to being blind in one eye his entire career!And if he did it would be at CW probably anyway. A fight from the 70's is irrelevant today, this old timer nonsense is boring.

And actually it was a good scrap:

Sultan Ibragimov went life and death with Ray Austin who has a lot of heart, but not much else. Both are pretty crap fighters compared to many of the 70's fighters or better yet 90's era heavyweights.

[beenKOed]

Emanuel Steward took the Klitschko
boys to the top level and has kept them there. Jab, jab and then the straight punch. Hold one glove in their face and hit with the other one. Hit 'em on the arms, back them up, if
they get inside hold like super glue. Push them around, out muscle them and don't let them have the center of the ring, ever! Oh yeah, do anything the ref will let you get away with, especially put as much of your weight (lean) on them as possible! Keep them on the ropes as much as possible. This is the formula that Steward has taught them and they have been great students.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Why are u focusing on one fight? You can do that with any fighter! Go watch ali v cooper or a 6-0 leon spinks! Go watch frazier vs bonavena and bugner lol

Frazier would not be allowed to fight today anyway on medical grounds due to being blind in one eye his entire career!And if he did it would be at CW probably anyway. A fight from the 70's is irrelevant today, this old timer nonsense is boring.

And actually it was a good scrap:

Sultan Ibragimov went life and death with Ray Austin who has a lot of heart, but not much else. Both are pretty crap fighters compared to many of the 70's fighters or better yet 90's era heavyweights.

Lary holmes went life and death with a 15-0 tim witherspoon and bummy carl williams(probably lost to both) ibragimov would beat both of them! Ibragimov is better than i.e oleg maskaev who kayoed former lineal champ rahman twice!!

A motivated and fully fit sultan would be competitive in any era, he wasn't in the best shape against austin but i dont know why no one will give him credit for the dismantling of briggs Who Was A Quality Fighter, briggs had just won the WBO heavyweight defeating Liakhovich ffs!

Ibragimov is one of those rare things a southpaw HW champion! But if you would rather tell me that he performed poorly against Austin bla bla bla then...

[El Kabong]

Wlad has fought (and beat) more southpaws than any other heavyweight ever in the history of the sport, I think the total is up around 7 or 8 right now.

I still stand by Tony Thompson as being an ok fighter, I would fancy his chances vs smaller heavyweights, I think Wlad just took an all business approach to the fight and scared the shit out of him. Wlad's whole "Are you 100% healthy because I don't want to hear any bullcrap excuses after the fight" rant probably put Thompson on warning that he was about to get his ass kicked and psychologically I think Thompson is a weak fighter on the championship level. Give Thompson Chirs Byrd's guts and THEN you'd have something!

Sultan Ibragimov was an ok guy, too heavy for cruiser and not big enough for heavyweight. He was quick, and very crafty, and he made the fight vs Wlad ugly, but in order to give himself a chance to win he had to. He didn't have huge power to blast opponents out of the water, he relied on handspeed and that just didn't work vs Wlad who stalked him down for 12 rounds and any time Wlad tried for a KO Sultan would cling on for dear life or run away.

[Hulk]

Why are u focusing on one fight? You can do that with any fighter! Go watch ali v cooper or a 6-0 leon spinks! Go watch frazier vs bonavena and bugner lol

Frazier would not be allowed to fight today anyway on medical grounds due to being blind in one eye his entire career!And if he did it would be at CW probably anyway. A fight from the 70's is irrelevant today, this old timer nonsense is boring.

And actually it was a good scrap:

Sultan Ibragimov went life and death with Ray Austin who has a lot of heart, but not much else. Both are pretty crap fighters compared to many of the 70's fighters or better yet 90's era heavyweights.

Lary holmes went life and death with a 15-0 tim witherspoon and bummy carl williams(probably lost to both) ibragimov would beat both of them! Ibragimov is better than i.e oleg maskaev who kayoed former lineal champ rahman twice!!

A motivated and fully fit sultan would be competitive in any era, he wasn't in the best shape against austin but i dont know why no one will give him credit for the dismantling of briggs Who Was A Quality Fighter, briggs had just won the WBO heavyweight defeating Liakhovich ffs!

Ibragimov is one of those rare things a southpaw HW champion! But if you would rather tell me that he performed poorly against Austin bla bla bla then...

You're an idiot aren't you....

Sultan Ibragimov being better than Tim Witherspoon or a prime Oleg Maskaev is delusional.

You are living in denial brah.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Why are u focusing on one fight? You can do that with any fighter! Go watch ali v cooper or a 6-0 leon spinks! Go watch frazier vs bonavena and bugner lol

Frazier would not be allowed to fight today anyway on medical grounds due to being blind in one eye his entire career!And if he did it would be at CW probably anyway. A fight from the 70's is irrelevant today, this old timer nonsense is boring.

And actually it was a good scrap:

Sultan Ibragimov went life and death with Ray Austin who has a lot of heart, but not much else. Both are pretty crap fighters compared to many of the 70's fighters or better yet 90's era heavyweights.

Lary holmes went life and death with a 15-0 tim witherspoon and bummy carl williams(probably lost to both) ibragimov would beat both of them! Ibragimov is better than i.e oleg maskaev who kayoed former lineal champ rahman twice!!

A motivated and fully fit sultan would be competitive in any era, he wasn't in the best shape against austin but i dont know why no one will give him credit for the dismantling of briggs Who Was A Quality Fighter, briggs had just won the WBO heavyweight defeating Liakhovich ffs!

Ibragimov is one of those rare things a southpaw HW champion! But if you would rather tell me that he performed poorly against Austin bla bla bla then...

You're an idiot aren't you....

Sultan Ibragimov being better than Tim Witherspoon or a prime Oleg Maskaev is delusional.

You are living in denial brah.

Ignorance is bliss!! Let me educate you...

You do know that maskaev was knocked out in 2 rounds by lance whitaker don't you? Ibragimov easily stopped whitaker in 7!

Ibragimov also stopped javier mora in 1 round , mora beat the shit out of kirk johnson who holds a stoppage win over maskaev too!

You are just trying to make out ibragimov is shitter because oleg maskaev kayoed rahman twice! And seen as rahman knocked out the great lennox lewis it hurts to having to admit that in truth rahman was basically a one trick pony hence you convince yourselves that anyone with a win over rahman must be better than ibragimov (even though they never fought) because he kayoed the great lennox!

Truth is there is no way ibragimov would lose to bummy american corey sanders let alone get kayoed by him like maskaev did.

No evidence to suggest ibragimov is a worse fighter than oleg, on the contrary in fact!!

As for witherspoon...snipes, pinklon thomas, smith, martin, donald, thunder, ribalta, tubbs etc he lost most of them! Im a witherspoon fan, tyson should have fought him!! But to suggest ibragimov (who only lost to savon at the 2000 olympics on points) and is a slick southpaw champ with a great chin would not give witherspoon all kinds of problems is just silly! Timmy was (arguably) outboxed by greg page twice ffs!

Read it again: Sultan ibragimov 22-1-1. The former WBO heavyweight champion. Fought his way up to a unification fight with wlad. Has an olympic silver, world amateur silver and european bronze. Noteable wins include shannon briggs, javier mora (who beat up kirk johnson) lance whitaker who stopped oleg maskaev and outpointed monte barrett (big lance was coming into his fight with iggy with only one very SD loss!) ibragimov easily outpointed an ageing holyfield too.

So how is ibragimov anything other than a world class operator? He might look about as tough as cream pie but appearances can be deceptive ask superheavyweights whitaker and briggs!

So sorry but your'e the one living in cloud cuckoo land mate not me....take your rose coloured nostalgia blinkers off! Keep living in fantasy land...

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Very good fighter.

[TitoFan]

Why are u focusing on one fight? You can do that with any fighter! Go watch ali v cooper or a 6-0 leon spinks! Go watch frazier vs bonavena and bugner lol

Frazier would not be allowed to fight today anyway on medical grounds due to being blind in one eye his entire career!And if he did it would be at CW probably anyway. A fight from the 70's is irrelevant today, this old timer nonsense is boring.

And actually it was a good scrap:

Sultan Ibragimov went life and death with Ray Austin who has a lot of heart, but not much else. Both are pretty crap fighters compared to many of the 70's fighters or better yet 90's era heavyweights.

Lary holmes went life and death with a 15-0 tim witherspoon and bummy carl williams(probably lost to both) ibragimov would beat both of them! Ibragimov is better than i.e oleg maskaev who kayoed former lineal champ rahman twice!!

A motivated and fully fit sultan would be competitive in any era, he wasn't in the best shape against austin but i dont know why no one will give him credit for the dismantling of briggs Who Was A Quality Fighter, briggs had just won the WBO heavyweight defeating Liakhovich ffs!

Ibragimov is one of those rare things a southpaw HW champion! But if you would rather tell me that he performed poorly against Austin bla bla bla then...

You're an idiot aren't you....

Sultan Ibragimov being better than Tim Witherspoon or a prime Oleg Maskaev is delusional.

You are living in denial brah.

Ignorance is bliss!! Let me educate you...

You do know that maskaev was knocked out in 2 rounds by lance whitaker don't you? Ibragimov easily stopped whitaker in 7!

Ibragimov also stopped javier mora in 1 round , mora beat the shit out of kirk johnson who holds a stoppage win over maskaev too!

You are just trying to make out ibragimov is shitter because oleg maskaev kayoed rahman twice! And seen as rahman knocked out the great lennox lewis it hurts to having to admit that in truth rahman was basically a one trick pony hence you convince yourselves that anyone with a win over rahman must be better than ibragimov (even though they never fought) because he kayoed the great lennox!

Truth is there is no way ibragimov would lose to bummy american corey sanders let alone get kayoed by him like maskaev did.

No evidence to suggest ibragimov is a worse fighter than oleg, on the contrary in fact!!

As for witherspoon...snipes, pinklon thomas, smith, martin, donald, thunder, ribalta, tubbs etc he lost most of them! Im a witherspoon fan, tyson should have fought him!! But to suggest ibragimov (who only lost to savon at the 2000 olympics on points) and is a slick southpaw champ with a great chin would not give witherspoon all kinds of problems is just silly! Timmy was (arguably) outboxed by greg page twice ffs!

Read it again: Sultan ibragimov 22-1-1. The former WBO heavyweight champion. Fought his way up to a unification fight with wlad. Has an olympic silver, world amateur silver and european bronze. Noteable wins include shannon briggs, javier mora (who beat up kirk johnson) lance whitaker who stopped oleg maskaev and outpointed monte barrett (big lance was coming into his fight with iggy with only one very SD loss!) ibragimov easily outpointed an ageing holyfield too.

So how is ibragimov anything other than a world class operator? He might look about as tough as cream pie but appearances can be deceptive ask superheavyweights whitaker and briggs!

So sorry but your'e the one living in cloud cuckoo land mate not me....take your rose coloured nostalgia blinkers off! Keep living in fantasy land...

This is all well and good. An argument that will never be won by either side, because stats will be skewed out of convenience.
But here's the REAL question:


What did Ibragimov do when in the ring with Wlad??





Answer: Absolutely jack shit!!!!!


So under that premise..... the Wlad-Sultan fight means absolutely ZILCH to me, except that it gave me the best night's sleep I had had in a long time. And Sultan's other accomplishments also mean little to me. Because when he had his day in the sun....... he did a wonderful David Haye impression.

[El Kabong]

David Haye copied Sultan's tactics EXACTLY...he even "retired" like Sultan did, although Haye has since come back.

[Spicoli]

David Haye copied Sultan's tactics EXACTLY...he even "retired" like Sultan did, although Haye has since come back.

I was wondering about that. Beats father time himself in Holyfield then comes up totally narcoleptic with Wlad and then...poof? At 33 off first loss. Was he permanently injured in that one? Javier Mora. Wow.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

I have only been posting on here a while and im already sensing a pattern emerging with a few posters...tito no offense friend but take a bit of simple advice, stop watching him then! If he bores you so much! You seem to have seen a lot of his fights for a man who is bored to death by him! And you seem to take every opportunity to show your disaproval with the old cliche "i like wlad but....." thing!! Iggy v wlad was a boring fight, but they are men cut from the same cloth, they are cautious, intelligent fighters who produced a horrid style clash (calzaghe v hopkins was terrible!) Don't judge either man on this particular unification fight.

"What did Ibragimov do when in the ring with Wlad??" Same thing as everyone does against prime wlad, lost! However he put on a better display than anyone since peter 1.

"This guy is very intelligent and a very good fighter, her doesn't look impressive, but he is very effective, I will not underestimate him, he won the silver medal at the Olympics.

Manny – "I understand what you are saying, looking at (Sultan) him closely, I think he will be the best fighter Wladimir fought in his pro career; he is not a big guy but he knows how to win big fights over big guys, has hand speed, he explodes and moves away quickly, he makes most big guys' size a handicap, I told Wlad this will be the best you have fought. We are not taking him lightly."

-Wlad and manny steward in 2008.

[TitoFan]

I have only been posting on here a while and im already sensing a pattern emerging with a few posters...tito no offense friend but take a bit of simple advice, stop watching him then! If he bores you so much! You seem to have seen a lot of his fights for a man who is bored to death by him! And you seem to take every opportunity to show your disaproval with the old cliche "i like wlad but....." thing!! Iggy v wlad was a boring fight, but they are men cut from the same cloth, they are cautious, intelligent fighters who produced a horrid style clash (calzaghe v hopkins was terrible!) Don't judge either man on this particular unification fight.

"What did Ibragimov do when in the ring with Wlad??" Same thing as everyone does against prime wlad, lost! However he put on a better display than anyone since peter 1.

"This guy is very intelligent and a very good fighter, her doesn't look impressive, but he is very effective, I will not underestimate him, he won the silver medal at the Olympics.

Manny – "I understand what you are saying, looking at (Sultan) him closely, I think he will be the best fighter Wladimir fought in his pro career; he is not a big guy but he knows how to win big fights over big guys, has hand speed, he explodes and moves away quickly, he makes most big guys' size a handicap, I told Wlad this will be the best you have fought. We are not taking him lightly."

-Wlad and manny steward in 2008.

You seem to have taken exception to my posts from the very beginning, so I'll extend the same courtesy to you regarding my posts: "Stop reading them, then."

You need to understand something, my "friend". Not everyone that does not worship Wladimir Klitschko hates him. Some of us have been around long enough to remember when the HW division was exciting, and yearn for those days to return. If you take that as a slight on Wlad, go right ahead.

I've done nothing but heap praise on Wlad, concentrating instead on criticizing the effort of his opponents. But obviously this bothers you also. I'm only "knowledgeable" if I cave to your belief that this is the most exciting time in the history of the heavyweights, and that Wlad has been in some competitive, spell-binding, fingernail-biting battles, with some formidable opponents. So sorry to disappoint you.

I keep watching the fights because I love boxing, and because I hold on to the hopes that someone will step into the ring to actually fight Wlad, instead of looking for a soft place to land, and collect a paycheck.

Again I reiterate the problem with extreme fanatism: You either love the guy and worship the ground he walks on..... or you're a hater and unworthy of any consideration. I encourage you to go back through my posts about Wlad and dig up any unwarranted hate you can find. I also encourage you to remove your blinders and realize that the HW division has seen better days.

I've been on your personal agenda from the beginning. Care to discuss what your basic problem is?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

It's a bit pointless to not read what is said on my thread isn't it? Don't take things so personal, im just making certain evaluations on what i have read so far.

Im sorry you are not entertained though, there's me thinking this is the art of boxing and the goal is to perfect the sweet science to the point that you become nearly inpenetrable. I'm sorry wlad's genius leaves you befuddled.

Do you think i.e joe frazier would pose a threat in this era?