Tyson Fury wants to fight the UFC Heavyweight champion?

[p4pking]

Maybe, but not much. Grappling is a far more organic thing than boxing, you can bet Fury would be able to handle most people who didn't train seriously on the ground, just on account of being huge and bullish. The skillset required is FAR easier to hone and a lot, if not most of it, boils down to genetics. Wheras JDS may train in boxing, but he's never had a pro fight, or dedicated a whole training camp to just dealing with punches. I'd imagine he's never sparred a relevant HW boxer etc. Klitschko has been doing that for his entire life and it the best big man in the world at it. It's absolutely ridiculous for Dos Santos to have said that.

Not denying it was rediculous for Dos Santos to say that. I think it's downright chicken-shit to call a guy out when you know full well you would never be able to fight him.

You're underestimating grappling though. I've trained grappling, not to any impressive degree, but enough to know that being huge and bullish works against you against anyone who knows what they are doing because grappling is about skill, technique and leverage, not just simply using brute strength which will tire you out in 30 seconds. Big, bullish guys are at an even bigger advantage on their back. If a big guy like Fury gets put on his back, he ain't getting back up.

I think it runs parallel to boxing in terms of skill and technique required. A guy going on "organic" grappling skills will get schooled by someone who knows what they are doing, much like someone going on "organic" punching instincts will get schooled by someone who trains and understands the sweet science.

All I'm saying is JDS has an astronomically larger boxing skillbase than Fury would have a grappling skillbase.

I didn't mean to dismiss the skill level required to be a serious wrestler etc. However, there are no organic punching instincts, that was my whole point. Grappling is very much different. If you have the right type of coordination and fast twich muscles etc its a tremendous advantage over someone who hasn't, even if they are more skilled. Boxing, or any hand to hand combat is a very finite thing which must be learned. You could be an absolute freak of nature athlete and get your ass whipped something fierce by someone who was simply more composed or accustomed to seeing punches come at them. Watch your average street fight, people absolutely panic and becoming completely unnerved. This is something you still see in a lot of UFC fights imo, with guys who are less than stellar on their feet.

[erics44]

ha, you small stiff idiot tits

i think its quite funny

[Silkeyjoe]

In mma you have so many different disciplines you can fall on if one is failing. In boxing you only have punching.

That was true for MMA years ago, but the sport has evolved now to the point where you have to be REALLY, REALLY good at everything. If you have a weakness, someone's going to exploit it.

That's BS! There's only a handful of fighters in the UFC who are really really good at everything, most are just good at their original discipline and wouldn't stand a chance if entered a comp in another field they are "good" in

[Silkeyjoe]

I really don't know enough about Fury to make a judgement. Cain hits like a truck though, his punch was measured on Sport Science as having 2230lbs of force or around there. All it takes is one on the button.

Love the way the UFC throw cheap shots at boxing all the time "that's higher then any boxer we've tested"

[Silkeyjoe]

Maybe, but not much. Grappling is a far more organic thing than boxing, you can bet Fury would be able to handle most people who didn't train seriously on the ground, just on account of being huge and bullish. The skillset required is FAR easier to hone and a lot, if not most of it, boils down to genetics. Wheras JDS may train in boxing, but he's never had a pro fight, or dedicated a whole training camp to just dealing with punches. I'd imagine he's never sparred a relevant HW boxer etc. Klitschko has been doing that for his entire life and it the best big man in the world at it. It's absolutely ridiculous for Dos Santos to have said that.

Not denying it was rediculous for Dos Santos to say that. I think it's downright chicken-shit to call a guy out when you know full well you would never be able to fight him.

You're underestimating grappling though. I've trained grappling, not to any impressive degree, but enough to know that being huge and bullish works against you against anyone who knows what they are doing because grappling is about skill, technique and leverage, not just simply using brute strength which will tire you out in 30 seconds. Big, bullish guys are at an even bigger advantage on their back. If a big guy like Fury gets put on his back, he ain't getting back up.

I think it runs parallel to boxing in terms of skill and technique required. A guy going on "organic" grappling skills will get schooled by someone who knows what they are doing, much like someone going on "organic" punching instincts will get schooled by someone who trains and understands the sweet science.

All I'm saying is JDS has an astronomically larger boxing skillbase than Fury would have a grappling skillbase.

I didn't mean to dismiss the skill level required to be a serious wrestler etc. However, there are no organic punching instincts, that was my whole point. Grappling is very much different. If you have the right type of coordination and fast twich muscles etc its a tremendous advantage over someone who hasn't, even if they are more skilled. Boxing, or any hand to hand combat is a very finite thing which must be learned. You could be an absolute freak of nature athlete and get your ass whipped something fierce by someone who was simply more composed or accustomed to seeing punches come at them. Watch your average street fight, people absolutely panic and becoming completely unnerved. This is something you still see in a lot of UFC fights imo, with guys who are less than stellar on their feet.

Well said, always thought that about a lot of UFC fighters, seem scared to get hit a lot of the time and rush in just hoping for a clinch. Then if they get floored go into fetal position to cover up waiting for ref to jump in

[beenKOed]

Maybe, but not much. Grappling is a far more organic thing than boxing, you can bet Fury would be able to handle most people who didn't train seriously on the ground, just on account of being huge and bullish. The skillset required is FAR easier to hone and a lot, if not most of it, boils down to genetics. Wheras JDS may train in boxing, but he's never had a pro fight, or dedicated a whole training camp to just dealing with punches. I'd imagine he's never sparred a relevant HW boxer etc. Klitschko has been doing that for his entire life and it the best big man in the world at it. It's absolutely ridiculous for Dos Santos to have said that.

Not denying it was rediculous for Dos Santos to say that. I think it's downright chicken-shit to call a guy out when you know full well you would never be able to fight him.

You're underestimating grappling though. I've trained grappling, not to any impressive degree, but enough to know that being huge and bullish works against you against anyone who knows what they are doing because grappling is about skill, technique and leverage, not just simply using brute strength which will tire you out in 30 seconds. Big, bullish guys are at an even bigger advantage on their back. If a big guy like Fury gets put on his back, he ain't getting back up.

I think it runs parallel to boxing in terms of skill and technique required. A guy going on "organic" grappling skills will get schooled by someone who knows what they are doing, much like someone going on "organic" punching instincts will get schooled by someone who trains and understands the sweet science.

All I'm saying is JDS has an astronomically larger boxing skillbase than Fury would have a grappling skillbase.

How would you know?

Whos to say that Fury isn't a little mma weekend warrior? Watches all the mma shows and does a little training at his gym?

Ill tell you this. Most mma fighters will not train boxing with any decent boxers because they dont like to get hit, whereas grappling, you may get tied up but you wont take those sharp stinging punches. I used to box and have done freestyle karate and trained with brazilian jiu jitsu practitioners and my uncle is a trainer in tradidional jiu jitsu and none of them would ever step foot in the boxing gym and attempt to spar, whereas myself and other boxers are more than willing and enjoy stepping over and learning new things and trying other things out. Whether this is a trend everywhere I don't know but I get the feeling that most martial artists (I know boxing is a martial art and quite possibly the first ever) think f themselves as "above" boxing and for one reason or another just plain refise to even step foot in a boxing specific gym, whereas boxers are quite open to traini g alongside them? Go figure...

Think you're wrong about MMA fighters thinking they're above boxers, they always go to boxers when they want to improve their standup. Almost always.
It's pretty simple really, if it's a boxing match the boxer will have the advantage. If it's an MMA fight the the MMA fighter will have the advantage. IMO.
The only boxer I'd give a real chance to, in the heavyweights, is Wlad because of his kickboxing background, that is if it was an MMA type fight. I can see him throwing an elbow or two also.

[bzkfn]

Think you're wrong about MMA fighters thinking they're above boxers, they always go to boxers when they want to improve their standup. Almost always.
It's pretty simple really, if it's a boxing match the boxer will have the advantage. If it's an MMA fight the the MMA fighter will have the advantage. IMO.
The only boxer I'd give a real chance to, in the heavyweights, is Wlad because of his kickboxing background, that is if it was an MMA type fight. I can see him throwing an elbow or two also.

This is very true. For example, GSP trains standup with Freddie Roach, and I heard Nick Diaz does a fair bit of sparring with Andre Ward.

[boyla]

Fury is a unfinished product.

But to suggest MMA fighters would walk over fury in one round is naive.

If it was so easy, MMA fighters would switch to boxing, because it is a much higher pay day if you are at the top.

I do not see anything wrong with this baiting, I for one would certainly watch and be entertained.

[Beanflicker]

How would you know?

Whos to say that Fury isn't a little mma weekend warrior? Watches all the mma shows and does a little training at his gym?

Ill tell you this. Most mma fighters will not train boxing with any decent boxers because they dont like to get hit, whereas grappling, you may get tied up but you wont take those sharp stinging punches. I used to box and have done freestyle karate and trained with brazilian jiu jitsu practitioners and my uncle is a trainer in tradidional jiu jitsu and none of them would ever step foot in the boxing gym and attempt to spar, whereas myself and other boxers are more than willing and enjoy stepping over and learning new things and trying other things out. Whether this is a trend everywhere I don't know but I get the feeling that most martial artists (I know boxing is a martial art and quite possibly the first ever) think f themselves as "above" boxing and for one reason or another just plain refise to even step foot in a boxing specific gym, whereas boxers are quite open to traini g alongside them? Go figure...

I'll agree 100% that a lot of grapplers don't want to get hit. That's the biggest adjustment when grapplers start training MMA: getting rid of the natural reaction to flinch, turn away from a strike, and getting their bodies used to being hit. Getting hit sucks, no question.

JDS is more than a "weekend warrior" who watches a few boxing matches on TV and trains on the weekend. JDS's particular camp trains with a lot of pro's and the Brazilian olympic boxing squad, in fact there is footage on Youtube of JDS sparring with an Olympian. He is a stablemate of Anderson Silva, who of course trained extensively for a period with Freddie Roach at the Wild Card gym. Are these guys ready to go take on a Klitschko or a Sergio Martinez? No, but they're no slouches when it comes to boxing.

Just because you were open minded, doesn't mean that attitude is universal. I've posted on MMA and boxing forums for over 10 years and I've had to defend MMA to boxing fans and defend boxing to MMA fans countless times. Generally speaking, those into boxing think the grappling game is a bunch of nonsense and don't like to partake in it. There are obvious exceptions, as the UFC has featured a few ex-pro boxers who made the switch successfully, but there is a general ignorance in the boxing community to everything that isn't boxing.

[Beanflicker]

That's BS! There's only a handful of fighters in the UFC who are really really good at everything, most are just good at their original discipline and wouldn't stand a chance if entered a comp in another field they are "good" in

Being "really good" at something doesn't mean you're the best in the world at it. That's nearly impossible. Can you think of ANY athlete who was world class at two sports? Bo Jackson and Deon Sanders are the only two I can think of (football and baseball).

There have been tons of MMA fighters who have fought pro boxing with success, there are tons of MMA fighters who have gone into ADCC and other grappling tournements and dominated.

To have any success in the UFC, you have to have good standup skills, wrestling skills and submission skills, or else you don't last long.

[Beanflicker]

I didn't mean to dismiss the skill level required to be a serious wrestler etc. However, there are no organic punching instincts, that was my whole point. Grappling is very much different. If you have the right type of coordination and fast twich muscles etc its a tremendous advantage over someone who hasn't, even if they are more skilled. Boxing, or any hand to hand combat is a very finite thing which must be learned. You could be an absolute freak of nature athlete and get your ass whipped something fierce by someone who was simply more composed or accustomed to seeing punches come at them. Watch your average street fight, people absolutely panic and becoming completely unnerved. This is something you still see in a lot of UFC fights imo, with guys who are less than stellar on their feet.

There are definitely organic punching instincts, you only need to Youtube "street fights" to see a bunch of guys who never trained a day in their lives throwing bombs at each other and knocking each other out.

Athleticism is a big part of any sport, guys like Roy Jones have dominated guys with superior technical skills with freak speed and strength.

With boxing or grappling, athleticism is useless without the superior technique to guide it, at least if you're going against someone who knows what they are doing.

[TysonBomb]

lol Tyson Fury is trash talking

Tyson Fury is famous for this

[Master]

lol Tyson Fury is trash talking

Tyson Fury is famous for this

If you watch that closely the opponent ducked. He was not suppose to do that.

[beenKOed]

lol Tyson Fury is trash talking

Tyson Fury is famous for this

If you watch that closely the opponent ducked. He was not suppose to do that.

We realize what happened but it's still pretty damned funny. I, especially like that surprised look on his face.
Are you saying Fury wasn't supposed to hit himself or his opponent wasn't supposed to duck? This is really starting to make me laugh. Thanks, I like to start my day with a good laugh.

[AdamGB]

lol Tyson Fury is trash talking

Tyson Fury is famous for this

If you watch that closely the opponent ducked. He was not suppose to do that.

Yeah... but come on!! How many times do you see a boxer evade a punch in your average boxing card? Probably hundreds. When was the last time your somebody miss and punch their own face!

Nobody thought he was trying to do it on purpose!