Chuck Wepner's knockdown of Muhammad Ali 1975

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

And you're a complete moron ..

Say's the man who compared 3 time world champ VK to non-title winning kirk johnson punching bag Lou Savarese, gives proof of a bad chin with a kickboxing match and mixes up the word 'Flawed' with 'Floored' and explain's it away as a typo! Plantpot.

I posted the link where he tested positive and was kicked off. Even after he admits it himself

You lost any credibility the moment u started resorting to personal attacks. VK was prescribed a drug for a kickboxing injury by a doctor for a kickboxing incident 20 years ago, now give me the link that states VK and WK have tested positive in pro-boxing? The link u posted is irrelevant and was for an injury in another sport he has freely admitted it, pro boxing nowadays has rigid testing and he has always tested clean. VK is a clean HW.

Careful, you're holding your hero down by latching onto his nuts.

No one cares about Haye or Chisora, one blamed his toe the other should be sectioned. They both got beat by K2 now deal with it! You are a terrible debater with even worse logic. My taxes pay for u....LOL.

Cooney KO Norton in 1. Holmes SD Norton. Cooney KO Holmes. Haye couldn't even KO the weaker chinned one...Chisora couldn't even outbox the 42 year old one who was operating with one arm!

[AdamGB]

No response?...

[AdamGB]

And you're a complete moron ..

Say's the man who compared 3 time world champ VK to non-title winning kirk johnson punching bag Lou Savarese, gives proof of a bad chin with a kickboxing match and mixes up the word 'Flawed' with 'Floored' and explain's it away as a typo! Plantpot.

I posted the link where he tested positive and was kicked off. Even after he admits it himself

You lost any credibility the moment u started resorting to personal attacks. VK was prescribed a drug for a kickboxing injury by a doctor for a kickboxing incident 20 years ago, now give me the link that states VK and WK have tested positive in pro-boxing? The link u posted is irrelevant and was for an injury in another sport he has freely admitted it, pro boxing nowadays has rigid testing and he has always tested clean. VK is a clean HW

How many times?! - Shane Mosely never failed a test, Holyfield didn't either. Pro or Amature.

They're both clean? Right?

Vitali HAS, no matter which way you spin it... Yet you dismiss his failed test, happily buy the bullshit story that he gives and then go on to post an ancient interviews about Evander Holyfield knowing a guy who heard a story about Tyson taking PEDs and claim that it is 'worth a read'.

Yeah... I think when it comes down to speculating over if a fighter is clean - some annecdotal story has much more credibility to it than a failed drug test in a fighter's history does.

Also, if you're going to get on your high horse over another posters grammar then you should probably stop saying 'u' all the time like some 'txtspkn' tweenage girl?

When you have to quibble over whether a mistake was a typo or a Freudian slip then it just shows us hiw weak your argument is...

Desperate for points much?

[TysonBomb]

Philosopher you are the worst nuthugger I've ever encountered.

You need Quitalis quack "physician" to prescribe you progesterone, another steroid, to stop your menstrual bleeding.

[brocktonblockbust]

Philosopher is an acquifer waiting for the deep ocean current to rehydrate the substantia nigra of Muhammad ali.

hey Philosopher, why so cranky all the time mate? Loosen up a bit, will ya?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

How many tests did Shane Mosely fail?

He must have been clean.

Mosley admits he unknowingly took BALCO steroids - boxing - ESPN

Mosley admits he unknowingly (LOL) took BALCO steroids. Well documented. Failed zero tests but admitted to taking them.

America is rife with it. And im still a better popster than u.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Philosopher you are the worst nuthugger I've ever encountered.

You need Quitalis quack "physician" to prescribe you progesterone, another steroid, to stop your menstrual bleeding.

You need to learn that 'Flawed' is a shortcoming in something intangible, an imperfection! It does not mean KTFO.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

How many times?! - Shane Mosely never failed a test, Holyfield didn't either. Pro or Amature.

Mosley admitted to taking them. It's pretty much consensus that Holyfield was a doper (Failed or not).

OJ simpson is innocent.

Vitali HAS, no matter which way you spin it...

Yes he has but not as a professional, he freely admitted it in his Bio which is not the actions of an abuser!

Prescribed by a quack for an injury in another sport 20 years ago which had an adverse affect on his amateur career in boxing. If he was an abuser he would be stripped of his titles and not allowed to compete. Testing is far more advanced now and he has never failed. So he is clean, if u have evidence otherwise please provide it? K2 are strict advocates of testing.

Yeah... I think when it comes down to speculating over if a fighter is clean - some annecdotal story has much more credibility to it than a failed drug test in a fighter's history does.

I did not state Tyson was on them Holyfield did. If anyone was a candidate for roid rage though it was Tyson. The 80'S were rife with it.

Also, if you're going to get on your high horse over another posters grammar then you should probably stop saying 'u' all the time like some 'txtspkn' tweenage girl?

U know what? I rather appreciate the concern. U missed an apostrophe though.

When you have to quibble over whether a mistake was a typo or a Freudian slip then it just shows us hiw weak your argument is...

Desperate for points much?

My quibble with him was he compared VK to Savarese! And he also labelled WK an abuser too! I think my argument that those 2 statements are quite absurd is pretty solid! Do u not agree? I was just emphasising what an eejit he really is! Try reading the entire argument next time...

I seem to just open my mouth and upset people without realising it, apparantly :-) LOL.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Philosopher is an acquifer waiting for the deep ocean current to rehydrate the substantia nigra of Muhammad ali.

hey Philosopher, why so cranky all the time mate? Loosen up a bit, will ya?

Gosh you certainly are a friendly bunch, I think i enjoy it here.

[Master]

Philosopher is an acquifer waiting for the deep ocean current to rehydrate the substantia nigra of Muhammad ali.

hey Philosopher, why so cranky all the time mate? Loosen up a bit, will ya?

Gosh you certainly are a friendly bunch, I think i enjoy it here.

You are welcome.

[AdamGB]

Philosopher are you really that dense? You choose to believe that testing is more advanced in this age, but you choose to ignore that DRUGS are a lot more advanced. There is more money to be made cheating than there is in testing, which area do you think gets more money and research?!... The drug labs are ALWAYS a step ahead.

Are you really missing my point regarding Shane Mosely?! He admitted to using PEDs... But he never failed one of your so called advanced tests.
Not failing a test is not a get out of jail free card. Boxing's tests are weak and the fact that they are scheduled make masking and cycling very easy.

'More advanced'... lol

"I did not state Tyson was on them Holyfield did."

Fuck off, don't feed me that shit... You post two seperate threads (one about 'evan fields, an old and exhausted issue and some annecdotal, ancient interview) about 90s fighters and PEDs... and you expect us not to see an ulterior motive or agenda? You think that an OLD interview about Holyfield saying that a guy says that Tyson took PEDs is 'worth talking about', but Vitali failing a drugs test is easily dismissed by you? Not biased at all are you?

You actually buy 'to treat an injury'? You'll actually believe Holyfield's excuse that he was using to treat hormone problems and injuries... right? Being unbiased and all.

'Roid rage' is more annecdotal shit. Give a little arsehole roids, he becomes a big arsehole. Never been shown in a scientific study.

When teenage tyson was robbing people, beating up garbage men and womanizing before he'd even boxed he had roid rage?

[AdamGB]

And im still a better popster than u.

Starting a sentence with a conjunction, not capitalising 'I', missing the apostrophe in 'im' and still saying 'u'.

Following your lead I should be saying how stupid you are and that 'my tax pays for you', but I'll give the the benefit of the doubt and assume that you were being ironic in some vague way?

(I'll let 'popster' slide as I'm guessing it's either a typo or something that weird people say. Unless you're a pop musician?).

[brocktonblockbust]

thats nothing, he once wrote "He say's...."

rule: only use the apostrophe for a possessive or a contraction such as he is=he's

SAY'S just doesnt mean anything.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

And im still a better popster than u.

Starting a sentence with a conjunction, not capitalising 'I', missing the apostrophe in 'im' and still saying 'u'.

Following your lead I should be saying how stupid you are and that 'my tax pays for you', but I'll give the the benefit of the doubt and assume that you were being ironic in some vague way?

(I'll let 'popster' slide as I'm guessing it's either a typo or something that weird people say. Unless you're a pop musician?).

Thank you.To respond to that tirade would be to invite more drama. I like drama.

Adam i have long since learnt that any post correcting an error in another post will contain at least one error itself (mine included). It should not be too hard to find an example of your own faux pas. Excessive usage of the word 'the' stand's out! Fail. LOL.

Im glad you've set aside this special time for us both though. What are u trying to do score points?Grammar nazi!

[AdamGB]

My grammar doesn't need to be perfect... You're the one who originally brought grammar in to the discussion, not me.

Can I point out your hypocrisy with a typo present? I'd say yes.

I'm happy for you that I made that typo though (and probably your day), as it's all you seem to have been able to come back with (nothing relevant to anything remotely topical )... Your heart must have jumped when you saw it!