Did you guys hear that David Haye is back?

[ross]

Exactly, people who are thought more of than Fury are fighting shite!

Pulev did have a fight lined up, im sure of it! For Feb or March and it was another nobody.

How has Fury hung around doing nothing? Hes been kept hanging on until December, that was only a few weeks ago. They apparently do have something lined up now. It wont be a big name, I doubt that very much but if Wilder can fight Firtha after 30 fights and Pulev fight a complete nobody journeyman and still be regarded higher then im sure Fury wont get any shit for fighting a warm up/stay busy fight

Fury did everything in his power to create the biggest heavyweight fight of the year. Haye did everything in his power to get out of it but now its Furys fault?

Yes and Fury not fighting probably didn't help himself.

Haye is a part time fighter and a NOTORIOUS liar. I've never said any different. If Fury didn't know what Haye was going to pull that's 100% on Fury because he did that shit with Wlad, with Vitali plenty of times. It took Wlad like 4 years to finally fight Haye because that's the way Haye does business.

Pulev has a top notch amateur career behind him. He also beat Tony Thompson (another guy Fury could have fought while he was waiting on Haye). And that is why he's well respected. He also stopped Ustinov who is a huge mofo.

Wilder is regarded highly because of how he has won his fights not who he has beaten. For example, if Fury had blasted out Steve Cunningham or Chisora really early....he might have that little bit of danger about him, but his fights are pedestrian for the most part.

Im only going to reply to the Wilder bit but the best opponent Wilder has faced so far is someone Fury fought in his 16th fight, not his fucking 30th

Wilder hasn't faced anyone that you would be shocked if they got knocked out. Johnson and Cunningham beat him. He landed plenty of shots on Firtha and still only stopped him a round earlier than Fury even though hes a massive puncher and Fury is useless and feather fisted and Fury was a relative novice and Firtha is now older and more tired

[El Kabong]

You're really upset about people sleeping on how bad Tyson Fury is. It'll be ok ross, he'll land a fight sooner or later.

[palmerq]

I dont think haye ever actually retired, I thought he just said retirement is a possibility after the surgery, makes sense that he would get back training before decided wheter to retire or not..

[p4pking]

Exactly, people who are thought more of than Fury are fighting shite!

Pulev did have a fight lined up, im sure of it! For Feb or March and it was another nobody.

How has Fury hung around doing nothing? Hes been kept hanging on until December, that was only a few weeks ago. They apparently do have something lined up now. It wont be a big name, I doubt that very much but if Wilder can fight Firtha after 30 fights and Pulev fight a complete nobody journeyman and still be regarded higher then im sure Fury wont get any shit for fighting a warm up/stay busy fight

Fury did everything in his power to create the biggest heavyweight fight of the year. Haye did everything in his power to get out of it but now its Furys fault?

Yes and Fury not fighting probably didn't help himself.

Haye is a part time fighter and a NOTORIOUS liar. I've never said any different. If Fury didn't know what Haye was going to pull that's 100% on Fury because he did that shit with Wlad, with Vitali plenty of times. It took Wlad like 4 years to finally fight Haye because that's the way Haye does business.

Pulev has a top notch amateur career behind him. He also beat Tony Thompson (another guy Fury could have fought while he was waiting on Haye). And that is why he's well respected. He also stopped Ustinov who is a huge mofo.

Wilder is regarded highly because of how he has won his fights not who he has beaten. For example, if Fury had blasted out Steve Cunningham or Chisora really early....he might have that little bit of danger about him, but his fights are pedestrian for the most part.

Im only going to reply to the Wilder bit but the best opponent Wilder has faced so far is someone Fury fought in his 16th fight, not his fucking 30th

Wilder hasn't faced anyone that you would be shocked if they got knocked out. Johnson and Cunningham beat him. He landed plenty of shots on Firtha and still only stopped him a round earlier than Fury even though hes a massive puncher and Fury is useless and feather fisted and Fury was a relative novice and Firtha is now older and more tired

Wilder might be every bit as overrated as many hope he is, but Johnson() and Cunningham would not beat him. Kevin Johnson doesn't beat anyone, he's fucking garbage.

[Dark Lord Al]

Haye has proved to be a dick , he did mess fury about , however that doesn't make fury better because he almost fought a former belt holder twice.
As I have said both Haye and fury need to put up and shut up , actually do something in the ring for us to talk about.

Haye is going to do what he wants matter what anyone else thinks.
Fury is the one who should shut up and start fighting. He is not learning much about fighting in the ring if he is not fighting in the ring. If Fury thinks his size is going to carry him to a legit/international belt he's living in a dreamland .
Fury and his team are doing all the this jockeying, looking for the perfect opponent to place Tyson in the best spot for a title shot, when he should be learning his craft by fighting every three or four months.
Everyone knows there is room for improvement in Fury's boxing and everyone (except Fury and his team) knows he is not going to learn it on Twitter or Facebook.
Just shut up and start fighting, things will come your way.

Its Hayes fault Fury hasnt fought for so long!

He was scheduled to face Pulev in the summer but Hayes team offered him a fight which he jumped at! Like he has said, if he had fought Pulev in the eliminator he would still be in no better position now as look at where Pulev is now, in no mans land still. Fury jumped at the chance to beat a big name ex belt holder and be the first man to stop him. Its not Furys fault he hasnt fought. Up till that point he was the busiest top ten heavy in the world actually fighting and beating respectable names.

Who is Pulev fighting next? Who was his last fight? Who is Wilder fighting next? Who was his last fight? Same goes for Chisora.

Totally Haye's fault , nowhere did I suggest it was fury's fault , im just making the point it would be nice to comment on a fight one of these two had rather than , " he would , he could , he beat him so he is better than him " blah blah blah.
As soon as dickhead Haye pulled out a second time fury could have moved on , or are you saying his career is over as nobody wants to fight him ?
Didn't Chisora offer him a rematch and he is European Champ , something fury hasn't won?

[ross]

Haye has proved to be a dick , he did mess fury about , however that doesn't make fury better because he almost fought a former belt holder twice.
As I have said both Haye and fury need to put up and shut up , actually do something in the ring for us to talk about.

Haye is going to do what he wants matter what anyone else thinks.
Fury is the one who should shut up and start fighting. He is not learning much about fighting in the ring if he is not fighting in the ring. If Fury thinks his size is going to carry him to a legit/international belt he's living in a dreamland .
Fury and his team are doing all the this jockeying, looking for the perfect opponent to place Tyson in the best spot for a title shot, when he should be learning his craft by fighting every three or four months.
Everyone knows there is room for improvement in Fury's boxing and everyone (except Fury and his team) knows he is not going to learn it on Twitter or Facebook.
Just shut up and start fighting, things will come your way.

Its Hayes fault Fury hasnt fought for so long!

He was scheduled to face Pulev in the summer but Hayes team offered him a fight which he jumped at! Like he has said, if he had fought Pulev in the eliminator he would still be in no better position now as look at where Pulev is now, in no mans land still. Fury jumped at the chance to beat a big name ex belt holder and be the first man to stop him. Its not Furys fault he hasnt fought. Up till that point he was the busiest top ten heavy in the world actually fighting and beating respectable names.

Who is Pulev fighting next? Who was his last fight? Who is Wilder fighting next? Who was his last fight? Same goes for Chisora.

Totally Haye's fault , nowhere did I suggest it was fury's fault , im just making the point it would be nice to comment on a fight one of these two had rather than , " he would , he could , he beat him so he is better than him " blah blah blah.
As soon as dickhead Haye pulled out a second time fury could have moved on , or are you saying his career is over as nobody wants to fight him ?
Didn't Chisora offer him a rematch and he is European Champ , something fury hasn't won?

Fury is now in a catch 22.

He needs a fight but just a warm up. He cant risk going in to another important match when his head will probably still be elsewhere. He is having a journeyman next up, they have said that. Then they are looking at Chisora apparently.

They have spent thousands on the past two camps and wouldnt want to pay what Warren would want to fight Chisora straight off for essentially going over old ground. Chisora has done well to remain relevant over the opponents he has faced recently but lets be honest, the level of fighter hasnt increased since he fought Scott. If anything it has regressed and hes been hurt by these fighters. I think Chisora has reached his level and if Fury is what I think he is then he stops Chisora this time round.

[p4pking]

Haye has proved to be a dick , he did mess fury about , however that doesn't make fury better because he almost fought a former belt holder twice.
As I have said both Haye and fury need to put up and shut up , actually do something in the ring for us to talk about.

Haye is going to do what he wants matter what anyone else thinks.
Fury is the one who should shut up and start fighting. He is not learning much about fighting in the ring if he is not fighting in the ring. If Fury thinks his size is going to carry him to a legit/international belt he's living in a dreamland .
Fury and his team are doing all the this jockeying, looking for the perfect opponent to place Tyson in the best spot for a title shot, when he should be learning his craft by fighting every three or four months.
Everyone knows there is room for improvement in Fury's boxing and everyone (except Fury and his team) knows he is not going to learn it on Twitter or Facebook.
Just shut up and start fighting, things will come your way.

Its Hayes fault Fury hasnt fought for so long!

He was scheduled to face Pulev in the summer but Hayes team offered him a fight which he jumped at! Like he has said, if he had fought Pulev in the eliminator he would still be in no better position now as look at where Pulev is now, in no mans land still. Fury jumped at the chance to beat a big name ex belt holder and be the first man to stop him. Its not Furys fault he hasnt fought. Up till that point he was the busiest top ten heavy in the world actually fighting and beating respectable names.

Who is Pulev fighting next? Who was his last fight? Who is Wilder fighting next? Who was his last fight? Same goes for Chisora.

Totally Haye's fault , nowhere did I suggest it was fury's fault , im just making the point it would be nice to comment on a fight one of these two had rather than , " he would , he could , he beat him so he is better than him " blah blah blah.
As soon as dickhead Haye pulled out a second time fury could have moved on , or are you saying his career is over as nobody wants to fight him ?
Didn't Chisora offer him a rematch and he is European Champ , something fury hasn't won?

Fury is now in a catch 22.

He needs a fight but just a warm up. He cant risk going in to another important match when his head will probably still be elsewhere. He is having a journeyman next up, they have said that. Then they are looking at Chisora apparently.

They have spent thousands on the past two camps and wouldnt want to pay what Warren would want to fight Chisora straight off for essentially going over old ground. Chisora has done well to remain relevant over the opponents he has faced recently but lets be honest, the level of fighter hasnt increased since he fought Scott. If anything it has regressed and hes been hurt by these fighters. I think Chisora has reached his level and if Fury is what I think he is then he stops Chisora this time round.

Progress!

[ross]

Haye has proved to be a dick , he did mess fury about , however that doesn't make fury better because he almost fought a former belt holder twice.
As I have said both Haye and fury need to put up and shut up , actually do something in the ring for us to talk about.

Haye is going to do what he wants matter what anyone else thinks.
Fury is the one who should shut up and start fighting. He is not learning much about fighting in the ring if he is not fighting in the ring. If Fury thinks his size is going to carry him to a legit/international belt he's living in a dreamland .
Fury and his team are doing all the this jockeying, looking for the perfect opponent to place Tyson in the best spot for a title shot, when he should be learning his craft by fighting every three or four months.
Everyone knows there is room for improvement in Fury's boxing and everyone (except Fury and his team) knows he is not going to learn it on Twitter or Facebook.
Just shut up and start fighting, things will come your way.

Its Hayes fault Fury hasnt fought for so long!

He was scheduled to face Pulev in the summer but Hayes team offered him a fight which he jumped at! Like he has said, if he had fought Pulev in the eliminator he would still be in no better position now as look at where Pulev is now, in no mans land still. Fury jumped at the chance to beat a big name ex belt holder and be the first man to stop him. Its not Furys fault he hasnt fought. Up till that point he was the busiest top ten heavy in the world actually fighting and beating respectable names.

Who is Pulev fighting next? Who was his last fight? Who is Wilder fighting next? Who was his last fight? Same goes for Chisora.

Totally Haye's fault , nowhere did I suggest it was fury's fault , im just making the point it would be nice to comment on a fight one of these two had rather than , " he would , he could , he beat him so he is better than him " blah blah blah.
As soon as dickhead Haye pulled out a second time fury could have moved on , or are you saying his career is over as nobody wants to fight him ?
Didn't Chisora offer him a rematch and he is European Champ , something fury hasn't won?

Fury is now in a catch 22.

He needs a fight but just a warm up. He cant risk going in to another important match when his head will probably still be elsewhere. He is having a journeyman next up, they have said that. Then they are looking at Chisora apparently.

They have spent thousands on the past two camps and wouldnt want to pay what Warren would want to fight Chisora straight off for essentially going over old ground. Chisora has done well to remain relevant over the opponents he has faced recently but lets be honest, the level of fighter hasnt increased since he fought Scott. If anything it has regressed and hes been hurt by these fighters. I think Chisora has reached his level and if Fury is what I think he is then he stops Chisora this time round.

Progress!

Because I think he stops Chisora this time round?

Fury has progressed, Chisora hasnt. Those last few fighters Chisora faced, Fury would get laughed at for fighting.

[p4pking]

No, because you accept that it's just what you are hoping for I can't imagine liking any fighter as much as you do Fury, it's really something. How can you possibly be confident he won't completely bottle it against a good puncher who doesn't give up a whole lot of weight. You are reduced to claiming that Cunningham has some kind of punch at HW, instead of just admitting Fury doesn't have a great chin and makes himself an easy target at times.

I do agree he'd beat Chisora again though, even if Chisora comes in much better prepared he isn't a puncher, Fury has improved since then as well, and has the better skills.

[ross]

No, because you accept that it's just what you are hoping for I can't imagine liking any fighter as much as you do Fury, it's really something. How can you possibly be confident he won't completely bottle it against a good puncher who doesn't give up a whole lot of weight. You are reduced to claiming that Cunningham has some kind of punch at HW, instead of just admitting Fury doesn't have a great chin and makes himself an easy target at times.

I do agree he'd beat Chisora again though, even if Chisora comes in much better prepared he isn't a puncher, Fury has improved since then as well, and has the better skills.

No, read it again, its what I think.

I think Fury has progressed to the point that instead of being the out of shape clumsy fighter he was he's now less clumsy and has better fitness and puts more punches together and I also think he's going to be able to put that together and put an impressive display and stop Chisora.

If however he struggles to a decision win maybe I have thought a bit too much of him. I don't think this is the case or I wouldn't have stuck my neck out and argued otherwise. I don't mind either way. I like a fighter who wants to fight. I don't think any less of other fighters who have lost in the past, as long as they have tried to get the best available fights which Fury has done. He was going to fight Pulev but got offered Haye, who is the better fighter? Pulev or Haye? Fury also could have treaded water fighting low level euro fghters like Chisora and Pulev but he's trying to get in the mix to fight the top names. He wanted Wilder but sky sports didn't. Like Peter Fury has said, Tyson is a big threat to anyone and they want a price to match the threat and unless there is TV backing with big money these fights are very hard to make. Maloney couldn't let Price fight Fury as in his own words, he had a contract with sky that wouldn't allow it, although that turned out to be shit. Maloney knew Prices short comings.

There is a lot of bullshit talked about Fury but when Peter Fury explains everything you never hear the retractors/promoters/managers come back and dispute what he has said because they cant.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uUa2L8_vxEI