Miguel Cotto says Floyd Mayweather Jr will have to Answer

[piye]

This is nonsense!!! Floyd has proven himself the best of our generation! and he deserves credit for that! the; man is now retired move on seriously these guys on boxing forums annoy me!

The thing is these forums are more of a popularity contest than anything as if it was about accomplishments and skill you would not be challenging Floyd.

[donnydarkoIRL]

This is nonsense!!! Floyd has proven himself the best of our generation! and he deserves credit for that! the; man is now retired move on seriously these guys on boxing forums annoy me!

The thing is these forums are more of a popularity contest than anything as if it was about accomplishments and skill you would not be challenging Floyd.

Ricky Hatton is my favourite active fighter.

Floyd is the fighter I try to emulate.
Certainly, Floyd gets criticsed, but remeber, in the back of everyone's minds they know he is the best and the more they criticise the more you know its true.

[El Kabong]

This is nonsense!!! Floyd has proven himself the best of our generation! and he deserves credit for that! the; man is now retired move on seriously these guys on boxing forums annoy me!

The thing is these forums are more of a popularity contest than anything as if it was about accomplishments and skill you would not be challenging Floyd.

Corrales, Castillo, maybe even Chavez and Hatton...I can see an argument that you're correct piye


BUT

Gatti, Baldomir, and Mitchell were past their primes or never even had primes AND the fact that Miguel Cotto has fought virtually the same competition as Floyd (different fights vs "the best" but virtually the same otherwise) and Margarito has been itching for a (and deserving of) fight for a looooong time and what does Floyd do? He fights Ricky Hatton at a weight where Ricky is useless!


So there IS truth to Floyd trying to cover his ass and protect that 0 in the loss column for as long as possible. Is there a coincidence that Cotto-Margarito happened and no one wanted Floyd-De la Hoya II and then Floyd retired suddenly? I don't think so, I think Floyd knew if he was to stick around he'd HAVE to fight either Cotto or Margarito OR both.....but when in the history of boxing have we given a boxer (the self proclaimed greatest of all-time) this much SLACK when he obviously has very legitimate competition which could only add to his legacy but yes Floyd is a pussy....if you can call any prize fighter a pussy it's got to be Floyd

[Chino]

Not sure if we can compare Cotto's (the most loved boxer around here) resume with ODLH and Mayweather (the most hated of the forum). Lots of people got excited when he faced Gomez which was not really someone we can compare with Mayweather, Hatton, Pac, ODLH, etc. People were like "Oh my gawd! Cotto beat the great Gomez!". Also faced 2 guys passed their primes. Sometimes I think he's overrated. Cotto finally faced a guy who was in his prime and looked what happened.

Floyd even turned down HBO's contract for a few million. More than 20 million for ODLH, 15 million for Hatton, and then face a guy who would give him way less? Nobody in his right mind would fight a guy for way less money. It would be smart to let Cotto build up his name but look at him, he lost so bad that it makes it more difficult for that to happen. Gotta come back. Still, I find it hard to see a guy who gets exposed on all his fights (cuts, jaw/chin, rocked, tires halfway, way slower than Mayweather, etc.) to beat a guy (Mayweather) who has yet to show a clear weakness/flaw. No matter how much I wish Cotto beat Mayweather, I just can't see it.

[truth32]

if floyd is a pussy for retireing because he wasn't gettin credit for anything he was doing then cotto is also a pussy because even though he got in the ring with margo his style of fighting that night let us all know he wanted no part of margo in the ring.
as for floyd fighting hatton he was trying to get that fight after he faught gatti hatton didnt want it then called floyd out after he beat a old castillo floyd just steped up to the plate and gave hatton what he wanted but he could have easily said hatton is a joke because he didnt want to fight me years ago for whatever reason.
you cotto fans cant see it but your boy is weak in alot of areas floyd is not floyd said cotto is to slow he is a converted south paw like oscar floyds deffence is perfect for blocking that left cottos punches are to wide and he makes to many mistakes all valid points some one please give me a valid point on how cotto can beat floyd.
wait let me, because he is bigger and stronger and can slow floyd down maybe even ko him not do you know how many bigger stronger guys he has faught and beat what makes cotto so diffrent.

ps. can we actually see cotto beat some one good please.

[TitoFan]

if floyd is a pussy for retireing because he wasn't gettin credit for anything he was doing then cotto is also a pussy because even though he got in the ring with margo his style of fighting that night let us all know he wanted no part of margo in the ring.
as for floyd fighting hatton he was trying to get that fight after he faught gatti hatton didnt want it then called floyd out after he beat a old castillo floyd just steped up to the plate and gave hatton what he wanted but he could have easily said hatton is a joke because he didnt want to fight me years ago for whatever reason.
you cotto fans cant see it but your boy is weak in alot of areas floyd is not floyd said cotto is to slow he is a converted south paw like oscar floyds deffence is perfect for blocking that left cottos punches are to wide and he makes to many mistakes all valid points some one please give me a valid point on how cotto can beat floyd.
wait let me, because he is bigger and stronger and can slow floyd down maybe even ko him not do you know how many bigger stronger guys he has faught and beat what makes cotto so diffrent.

ps. can we actually see cotto beat some one good please.

a) are you still here?
b) if so..... why?

[Chino]

if floyd is a pussy for retireing because he wasn't gettin credit for anything he was doing then cotto is also a pussy because even though he got in the ring with margo his style of fighting that night let us all know he wanted no part of margo in the ring.

After a few round that Cotto noticed that his jab, uppercut, body punch, hooks, etc. were having no effect in Margarito and started to run out of gas, I somehow noticed that as well.

you cotto fans cant see it but your boy is weak in alot of areas

I don't remember a Cotto fan ever daring himself to mention a weakness in Cotto, and he has so many. Sure, many are fast to mention how terrible ODLH and Mayweather are but has Cotto accomplished as much as both of them? Does Cotto have a similar resume? I don't think so. These are the people that start so many threads about "Mayweather is afraid of Cotto...ODLH is afraid of Cotto...Look at Cotto's greatness...Cotto looks so cool wearing Nike...No way Margarito will ever have a chance to make Cotto sweat..."

ps. can we actually see cotto beat some one good please.

I like Cotto, don't get me wrong, I can tell you the qualities I see in him as I already have in other threads but fans simply ignore his flaws which are seen in all his fights. He fights 2 guys pass their primes, and also a guy like Gomez who made lots of Cotto fans get all excited about that victory but later on he finally gets in the ring with someone who's in his prime and look what happened.
I can see Cotto coming back and beating a couple more Gomez's or even a big name that may not be pass his prime but beating Mayweather? I doubt it as much as I wish it happened.

[TitoFan]

if floyd is a pussy for retireing because he wasn't gettin credit for anything he was doing then cotto is also a pussy because even though he got in the ring with margo his style of fighting that night let us all know he wanted no part of margo in the ring.

After a few round that Cotto noticed that his jab, uppercut, body punch, hooks, etc. were having no effect in Margarito and started to run out of gas, I somehow noticed that as well.

you cotto fans cant see it but your boy is weak in alot of areas

I don't remember a Cotto fan ever daring himself to mention a weakness in Cotto, and he has so many. Sure, many are fast to mention how terrible ODLH and Mayweather are but has Cotto accomplished as much as both of them? Does Cotto have a similar resume? I don't think so. These are the people that start so many threads about "Mayweather is afraid of Cotto...ODLH is afraid of Cotto...Look at Cotto's greatness...Cotto looks so cool wearing Nike...No way Margarito will ever have a chance to make Cotto sweat..."

ps. can we actually see cotto beat some one good please.

I like Cotto, don't get me wrong, I can tell you the qualities I see in him as I already have in other threads but fans simply ignore his flaws which are seen in all his fights. He fights 2 guys pass their primes, and also a guy like Gomez who made lots of Cotto fans get all excited about that victory but later on he finally gets in the ring with someone who's in his prime and look what happened.
I can see Cotto coming back and beating a couple more Gomez's or even a big name that may not be pass his prime but beating Mayweather? I doubt it as much as I wish it happened.

Your dislike of Cotto practically oozes out of your pores. Nothing wrong with that.... we all have our favorites. You've long since established a biased toward the Mexican fighters, as I'll admit to being biased toward the Puerto Rican fighters. And you're a bit more knowledgeable in your arguments than "the truth-boy".

But you're pretty harsh in your assessment of Cotto, IMO. Flaws? All fighters have them. But for years, Cotto has been accused of being: a. robotic (now that's a laugh), b. weak-chinned (disagree there also... it was the volume of punches he took from Margarito that finally did him in). You give him no credit for out-jabbing and out-boxing the masterful Mosley. No... Mosley is over-the-hill and should probably be on Medicare by now. Well... boxing experts other than you and me graded Mosley pretty highly on his efforts against Cotto. And Judah was past his prime? What is he.... all of 30 by now?

But again... I understand your intense dislike. You see... I've always had the same dislike for De La Hoya. I only grudgingly give him his dues. But suffice it to say I will not be making a pilgrimage to his bronze statue wherever the hell that is.

[Chino]

Your dislike of Cotto practically oozes out of your pores

There's a difference between disliking a boxer and simply acknowledging his weaknesses. Check this out, I like ODLH but I won't fear talking about his weaknesses. When he fought Forbes, remember my comments? And yet, I like ODLH regardless of me mentioning certain flaws even WHEN HE WON! Disliking and even hating a boxer is what I see here everyday with topics about how ODLH is so terrible for doing this and that, for Mayweather for being so terrible about this and that. I am not talking about Cotto being a chicken or whatever. All I am talking about are his clear weaknesses/flaws which many Cotto fans somehow can't dare themselves mention.

Nothing wrong with that.... we all have our favorites.

And some of us even talk about our favorite boxers' weaknesses/flaws.

Flaws? All fighters have them

What keeps Cotto fans from talking about them? I talk about my favorite boxers' flaws as well, not only the good things.

b. weak-chinned (disagree there also... it was the volume of punches he took from Margarito that finally did him in)

In many of his fights (if not all) he gets rocked, cut, tired half-way through, etc. Volume? It was round 2 when he went to sit on the ropes after a body punch. Mouth opened from early on.

And Judah was past his prime? What is he.... all of 30 by now?

Age has nothing to do with someone being in their prime or not. Look at Hopkins.

But again... I understand your intense dislike. You see... I've always had the same dislike for De La Hoya. I only grudgingly give him his dues. But suffice it to say I will not be making a pilgrimage to his bronze statue wherever the hell that is.

You are not the only one around here who dislikes ODLH. There are lots of threads every week about how terrible ODLH is. Still, nobody says a thing. Then you have me here observe Cotto's weaknesses/flaws, resume, etc. and I get negative reps, a nasty message here and there in my inbox, etc. Talk about fans getting all sensitive. And I am not even talking about him in a derrogatory way as people do with ODLH or Mayweather ("He's a pussy...he's a faggit...Oscar de la Fishnets...Oscar is an idiot..." and so on) which seem acceptable. If someone ever started a thread "Cotto is overrated, we saw that a few weeks ago" or whatever I can guarantee lots of people wouldn't be happy at all. Start another thread about how terrible ODLH and Mayweather are and everybody will be fine with that.

[TitoFan]

Well Chino.... I'm happy to be able to have a disagreement with a ODLH fan and not get into a war of insults. If we all liked the same fighters, boxing would pretty damn boring now, wouldn't it.

I noticed you didn't respond to my comments on Mosley, so I take it you agreed. And about Judah... remember that although he'd been KO'ed by Kostya Tszyu (happy moment in my life), he'd never been beaten up like that before. Miguel was the first one to really put him through the meat grinder. It is now after his loss to Clottey, that Judah is beginning to look the worse for the wear.

As for talking about Cotto's flaws..... I got no problem with that. He tends to run a bit low on the gas tank a little too much (Mosley, Margarito)... and he's a bit too susceptible to the uppercut. But to me, the pluses FAR outweigh the minuses. He's progressed light-years in his boxing skills and speed. He can box AND he can bang. He also has that warrior mentality and gives it all he's got out there in the ring. There's a reason why so many people love to see him fight. Not to mention the fact that he's a class act in and out of the ring, and leaves the trash-talking to Judah.... er..... others.

[Chino]

Same here man. I don't see it necessary to insult you or your favorite boxer(s) to make my point and I see you do the same so its all good.

I noticed you didn't respond to my comments on Mosley, so I take it you agreed

I didn't see either dominating completely. I was giving Cotto the edge on that one but I am not sure if we can say that Mosley is the same one we saw against ODLH I. Same thing with Judah who was coming from a loosing streak (and recently lost).

As for talking about Cotto's flaws..... I got no problem with that. He tends to run a bit low on the gas tank a little too much (Mosley, Margarito)... and he's a bit too susceptible to the uppercut.

About the uppercut, well, we saw that a few weeks ago but if he gets cut easily and rocked I guess there's something he has to work on with his defense. Or maybe his offense is pretty much his defense.

But to me, the pluses FAR outweigh the minuses. He's progressed light-years in his boxing skills and speed. He can box AND he can bang

Has a good stance. He has a jab and KO power in his punches, no doubt. He can brawl too if he needs to.

There's a reason why so many people love to see him fight. Not to mention the fact that he's a class act in and out of the ring, and leaves the trash-talking to Judah.... er..... others.

Oh yeah, another good thing about him. See, I don't enjoy seeing Mexican boxers loose against Pac. It's not one, or two, but a long streak already (don't agree with the Marquez decisions, but oh well). When he fights a Mexican, I think "Oh gawd, not another one please". But when I hear Pac talk after/before the fights, I don't feel THAT BAD. Nice humble likeable guy. If Pac was a trashtalker I would feel even worse after beating Mexicans and acquiring that nick "The Mexican Assassin". Same thing with Cotto. Someone can trashtalk to him all he wants, he does his talking in the ring and does it quite well.

[truth32]

i was getting to the point but i can push facts if you want cottos chin is not weak because margo cottos chin is weak because zab rocked him corley rocked him and some other guy but i dont even know his name lol. dont get me wrong i dont diss like cotto just think he is alittle over hyped imo its not who he has beat its the way he fights that pulled his fan base. i see clottey beating cotto paul williams beating cotto and also andre berto in a year or 2 i think cotto is just like zab pretty good but he will never get over that hump to make him great

[JT Rock]

he'd never been beaten up like that before. Miguel was the first one to really put him through the meat grinder. It is now after his loss to Clottey, that Judah is beginning to look the worse for the wear.

I disagree with you there Tito.. If you remember Floyd after taking 4 rounds to really get into a groove was digging and raking Judah to the body and scoring with the straight right, at the end of round 10 Floyd hurt Judah in the corner. Zab was tired and hurt looking for a breather fouled Mayweather in the infamous brawl.. Mayweather was beating up and breaking down Judah pretty damn good with sharp accurate punches, the majority fealt the Judah was gonna get stopped in round 11 if it wasnt for the low blow and back of the head punch.. So Cotto was finished what Mayweather started a year earlier

[truth32]

he'd never been beaten up like that before. Miguel was the first one to really put him through the meat grinder. It is now after his loss to Clottey, that Judah is beginning to look the worse for the wear.

I disagree with you there Tito.. If you remember Floyd after taking 4 rounds to really get into a groove was digging and raking Judah to the body and scoring with the straight right, at the end of round 10 Floyd hurt Judah in the corner. Zab was tired and hurt looking for a breather fouled Mayweather in the infamous brawl.. Mayweather was beating up and breaking down Judah pretty damn good with sharp accurate punches, the majority fealt the Judah was gonna get stopped in round 11 if it wasnt for the low blow and back of the head punch.. So Cotto was finished what Mayweather started a year earlier

i agree what is tito talking about zab looked really good against clottey he was out working him clottey was just to big and 2 strong for zab.

i got a question for you cotto fans because i would guess most the people posting in this thread are cotto fans y are we even still talkin a cotto mayweather fight they dont compare cotto just got knocked out who has heard anything about him since then?

[Puya]

he'd never been beaten up like that before. Miguel was the first one to really put him through the meat grinder. It is now after his loss to Clottey, that Judah is beginning to look the worse for the wear.

I disagree with you there Tito.. If you remember Floyd after taking 4 rounds to really get into a groove was digging and raking Judah to the body and scoring with the straight right, at the end of round 10 Floyd hurt Judah in the corner. Zab was tired and hurt looking for a breather fouled Mayweather in the infamous brawl.. Mayweather was beating up and breaking down Judah pretty damn good with sharp accurate punches, the majority fealt the Judah was gonna get stopped in round 11 if it wasnt for the low blow and back of the head punch.. So Cotto was finished what Mayweather started a year earlier

i agree what is tito talking about zab looked really good against clottey he was out working him clottey was just to big and 2 strong for zab.

i got a question for you cotto fans because i would guess most the people posting in this thread are cotto fans y are we even still talkin a cotto mayweather fight they dont compare cotto just got knocked out who has heard anything about him since then?

Cotto did a very competitive fight. The only thing that saved Margo to got KOed was his crazy chin. Cotto was boxing great and landing at will with Power shot, too bad he trusted his power witch had no effect on Margarito.