Pavlik bitching about Hopkins: he isnt even good

[intoccabile]

Bhop boxed, bhop took more chances, finally we see Bhop fight. It has been a long time since we have seen Bhop just bring it. He looked fresh all night long. I would love to see Bhop Calzaghe 2. I think this version of Bhop would give Calzaghe a much better run for his money.

You see thats it, I think he felt He had to initiate and under no circumstances let Pavlik get going.A case in point that watching a great boxer/tactician in action over 12 is just as nice as seeing a big KO,well Imo.All he was missing was a pointer and an over head projector in there.A clinic.Joe should focus on Jones,Should he win who knows but honestly,I'm not keen on a rematch.One that was mentioned was Hopkins/Dawson....that has me with raised eyebrow's.

one that would never happen, hopkins is smart. He wants big money, not to ruin up and comers. Another huge win for dawson would put him in serious money contention but who else could dawson possibly beat that makes people want to see him and nard.

As it stands now, he's just a young guy with skill but he's not a draw.

[Gandalf]

Pavlik said that quite soon after the fight. He had just lost his first fight and was probably a little shellshocked regarding what happened out there.

His words should not be picked apart. They are the musings of a person who has just been given a big jolt. You shouldnt read too much into what he says here.

[Kel]

Bhop boxed, bhop took more chances, finally we see Bhop fight. It has been a long time since we have seen Bhop just bring it. He looked fresh all night long. I would love to see Bhop Calzaghe 2. I think this version of Bhop would give Calzaghe a much better run for his money.

How? Calzaghe forced him to fight at a greater pace than he likes, this gave Bernard no time to think in there and find the shots because as soon as he saw an opening he was getting flurried by Joe, stopping his attack, the same way Hopkins stopped pavliks attack, he took away his best weapon.

[CFH]

Pavlik said that quite soon after the fight. He had just lost his first fight and was probably a little shellshocked regarding what happened out there.

His words should not be picked apart. They are the musings of a person who has just been given a big jolt and. You shouldnt read too much into what he says here.

Word.

[Spicoli]

Bhop boxed, bhop took more chances, finally we see Bhop fight. It has been a long time since we have seen Bhop just bring it. He looked fresh all night long. I would love to see Bhop Calzaghe 2. I think this version of Bhop would give Calzaghe a much better run for his money.

You see thats it, I think he felt He had to initiate and under no circumstances let Pavlik get going.A case in point that watching a great boxer/tactician in action over 12 is just as nice as seeing a big KO,well Imo.All he was missing was a pointer and an over head projector in there.A clinic.Joe should focus on Jones,Should he win who knows but honestly,I'm not keen on a rematch.One that was mentioned was Hopkins/Dawson....that has me with raised eyebrow's.

one that would never happen, hopkins is smart. He wants big money, not to ruin up and comers. Another huge win for dawson would put him in serious money contention but who else could Dawson possibly beat that makes people want to see him and nard.

As it stands now, he's just a young guy with skill but he's not a draw.

Talk about the ultimate crossroads.Hopkins can be as cunning a businessman as he is a fighter and although stellar Saturday night,he is looking for a short term big bank exit within at least a year Imo.As a fan, I hope anyway.Pretty much rides On Calzaghe/Jones.Should Jones pull it off vs. Calzaghe....he and Hopkins logically and monetarily could do nice numbers and generate huge fan interest in the rematch??

Agree on Dawson.I was impressed vs.Tarver and he is finding his own but who does he fight in the interim as the dust settles....Rematch with Johnson..??..I think Johnson is due for it but not sure Dawson & camp would see the Cents in it.Good question.They will bring someone he can look impressive against but I do think stylistically,Hop's and Dawson would be a nice go.Shite,as stubborn as Hopkins is,I doubt he will retire soon anyway.

[HOMETOWN CHAMP]

This is Pavliks first loss so he probably is going to be in denial for a little while most boxers are always in denial when it comes to a loss.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Pavlik lost all 12 rounds, in my opinion. He should work on throwing pitter pat punches against speedier opposition. He was trying to extend his lanky punches against hopkins, but hopkins was just too quick. It was almost like tarver/dawson redux. Tarver and pavlik both looked like they were moving in sloooooooo motion.

[BIG H]

I gotta say that he really didn't look right in there. I rewatched the Miranda and 1st Taylor fights yesterday and that just wasn't the same guy in there. And it's not just because of the shots he was taking, Taylor was hitting him with great shots but he just kept coming forward and throwing shots. It was a strange performance.

I also thought he wasn't himself. Even if he wasn't landing anything solid, Pavlik would usually just throw. He wasn't landing anything on Taylor during their second fight but he just kept throwing. I'm assuming Hopkins' shots were hurting Pavlik and he was just trying to be cautious.

so im guessing theres gonna be another thread call "That wasnt Pavlik in the ring?"

Not from me fella, coz I couldn't give a shit! I've got no allegiance to Pavlick whatsoever, just an objective observation that from the 1st bell he looked different to previous fights.

[BIG H]

He was at his best. Said he felt perfectly fine going in, inbetween rounds, everything.
Says there is a mysterious ghost that tied his hands down after the bell and he couldn't move his arms to punch though.

It's an excuse. He's never been in the ring with a fighter who can pick him apart and take away all his tools before - the only logical answer now is " I dont know what happened. I felt perfectly fine, i just couldn't punch or throw a punch".

Thats the lack of experience talking.

When did an opponents lateral movement stop a fighter trying to throw punches ?


I must have missed the ghost tying his hands down part
He said he didn't know why he didn't fight his best. He said he was in shape, not tired, felt fine, just couldn't do what he normally does. Maybe it was because Bhop was so good, but maybe it was because he had an off night and Bhop was good. Don't know, but he didn't sound like he bitched about Bhop.

I have played basketball games where I just missed shots i've made a million times and it felt like I couldn't make a basket. Not injured, no problems, got positions to take the shots and should have made them just didn't. When I lose that way I am pissed and complain alot. Not about the other team or players, just about how I played. Losing sucks always, but it's worse when you didn't play your best. That's how Kelly sounded to me. He acknowledged he got his butt kicked, but complained about how he fought, not how Hopkins fought.

How would an experienced fighters complain? Bhop cheated, I was sick, the ref interfered, I won but the judges don't like me, HBO made sure their fighter won, I was robbed, I got a fukked up promoter, I overtrained, I was shooting a movie??

I don't see how it was "lack of experience" talking. Those excuses above were by experienced guys like Bhop, Hatton, Judah, Lennox......

I was being sarcastic with the ghost tying his hands rofl.
And it was a lack of experience talking because he doesn't know what was wrong in there.
What was wrong is he's never fought a fighter with lateral movement, someone who can take his tools from him
the way bhop did. Did you see teh SCARED look on his face after the 12th round? During the scuffle, teh way he backed up with absolute
horror in his eyes? Did you see the look of disbelief and humble afterwards?

Its the first time he felt USELESS. .and there are many fighters who can make people feel this way, Bhop being one of them.
He's never had that happen before, he's never had that EXPERIENCE in the ring before. So his only arguement is " It can't be that he was too crafty, i mean.. taylor beat him twice! I beat taylor twice! taylor and calzaghe hit him at will! I just couldnt get anything going.. i dont know.. i tjust wasnt me "

This is the lack of experience talking. When you say you dont know why you didn't beat someone that someone you had beaten beat, thats lack of experience.

When did an opponents lateral movement stop a fighter trying to throw punches??

Hopkins completely did a job on the guy and was different class, but Pavlick didn't thrown anything from the first bell. Go and watch the Miranda fight and watch how Pavlick starts. Don't get me wrong I don't rate Pavlick, but I do think he was in part master of his own downfall. I honestly think he was scared.

[skel1983]

why talk shit about his fans. every fighter has die hard fans. Calzaghe, pavlik, pacman, bhop, roy jones, cotto, margarito, etc etc. but that doesnt mean there dickheads it just means that they really like there fighter thats it. there will always be DIE HARD fans or as u call em DICKHEADS so get used to it.

A % of Pavliks fans were the worst i had ever seen. You were pretty bad your drunk ravings. Bit of a bummer him losing like that.

I always said how can a guy with no footwork and a chin that poor really be picked over Calzaghe?

its not like calzaghe can beat pavlik because bernard beat pavlik. joe is no where as slick as hopkins, so he will get hit. and i hope u dont think calzaghe can ko kelly, cause he has no power at all. and how is his chin poor he took a beatin all 12 rounds and never went down once.

Defintly wouldnt knock him out, stop him? Possibly beat him up defintly, Calzaghe is way to much for Pavlik.

[Bomp]

Pavlik said that quite soon after the fight. He had just lost his first fight and was probably a little shellshocked regarding what happened out there.

His words should not be picked apart. They are the musings of a person who has just been given a big jolt and. You shouldnt read too much into what he says here.

Word.

guys are right, no point bagging Pavlik for these comments. what do you expect him to say? That he's not worthy or something

He's probably never felt so low in his life, very very few people would have been more gracious in that situation.

He is certainly in denial though, this SHOULD be a reality check for him to make some real adjustments. I think he also lost some of the hunger after the first Taylor fight, which is really bad for a pressure fighter when they lose that 'walk through anything' attitude, he was really weary of being hit by Hopkins and there was no real relaxation after that.

We'll see what Pavlik is made of in his next couple of fights.

[ono]

I like Pavlik it was just after the fight so you can let it slip.

It was his dickhead fans.

I wouldn't go as far as calling them dick heads but it got pretty bad on here at one point with all the nut-hugging. Main reason i haven't been on in ages....it was getting all a little bit silly, especially after the Lockett fight.

[JT Rock]

I like Pavlik it was just after the fight so you can let it slip.

It was his dickhead fans.

why talk shit about his fans. every fighter has die hard fans. Calzaghe, pavlik, pacman, bhop, roy jones, cotto, margarito, etc etc. but that doesnt mean there dickheads it just means that they really like there fighter thats it. there will always be DIE HARD fans or as u call em DICKHEADS so get used to it.

A % of Pavliks fans were the worst i had ever seen.

I find that comical coming from you, the most delusional abrasive Calzaghe fan around here...

[intoccabile]

When did an opponents lateral movement stop a fighter trying to throw punches ?


I must have missed the ghost tying his hands down part
He said he didn't know why he didn't fight his best. He said he was in shape, not tired, felt fine, just couldn't do what he normally does. Maybe it was because Bhop was so good, but maybe it was because he had an off night and Bhop was good. Don't know, but he didn't sound like he bitched about Bhop.

I have played basketball games where I just missed shots i've made a million times and it felt like I couldn't make a basket. Not injured, no problems, got positions to take the shots and should have made them just didn't. When I lose that way I am pissed and complain alot. Not about the other team or players, just about how I played. Losing sucks always, but it's worse when you didn't play your best. That's how Kelly sounded to me. He acknowledged he got his butt kicked, but complained about how he fought, not how Hopkins fought.

How would an experienced fighters complain? Bhop cheated, I was sick, the ref interfered, I won but the judges don't like me, HBO made sure their fighter won, I was robbed, I got a fukked up promoter, I overtrained, I was shooting a movie??

I don't see how it was "lack of experience" talking. Those excuses above were by experienced guys like Bhop, Hatton, Judah, Lennox......

I was being sarcastic with the ghost tying his hands rofl.
And it was a lack of experience talking because he doesn't know what was wrong in there.
What was wrong is he's never fought a fighter with lateral movement, someone who can take his tools from him
the way bhop did. Did you see teh SCARED look on his face after the 12th round? During the scuffle, teh way he backed up with absolute
horror in his eyes? Did you see the look of disbelief and humble afterwards?

Its the first time he felt USELESS. .and there are many fighters who can make people feel this way, Bhop being one of them.
He's never had that happen before, he's never had that EXPERIENCE in the ring before. So his only arguement is " It can't be that he was too crafty, i mean.. taylor beat him twice! I beat taylor twice! taylor and calzaghe hit him at will! I just couldnt get anything going.. i dont know.. i tjust wasnt me "

This is the lack of experience talking. When you say you dont know why you didn't beat someone that someone you had beaten beat, thats lack of experience.

When did an opponents lateral movement stop a fighter trying to throw punches??

Hopkins completely did a job on the guy and was different class, but Pavlick didn't thrown anything from the first bell. Go and watch the Miranda fight and watch how Pavlick starts. Don't get me wrong I don't rate Pavlick, but I do think he was in part master of his own downfall. I honestly think he was scared.

Calzaghe needs to have his feet planted to throw, thats how he fights.
He only throws punches when he is set. Bhops lateral movement prevented Kelly from ever getting set thus preventing him to throw punches. Understand now?

Whenever bhop wasn't moving, he was engaging first.. forcing kelly to go into defense.
He made kelly respectful (with power ), confused (with movement) and defensive (with activity). He never once let Kelly Sit on his shots, which is the ONLY time kelly throws punches.

I've said it before the fight and will say it once more. Kelly only throws when the target is standing infront of him waiting, on the ropes, or in a corner. He will look silly the moment he fights someone who won't stay there long enough to get anything off. Bhop was that person, THATS why kelly couldn't punch.

As for the comment about him being scared - He looked like he saw a ghost after the fight.. He looked so horrified, it was amazing. Then he looked like he wanted to cry.
So that could very well be the case. But bhop made kelly very respectful.. kelly sought a plan B (which he didn't have) therefore was out of options. His trainer kept whispering to him in the corner " Be active.. activity is how Calzaghe won ", But calzaghe doesn't need to be set to throw.. he just throws punches regardless. Thats the difference, i guess.

[killersheep]

I'm gonna cut Kelly some slack here, he was definately in the spotlight in a place he didn't plan for, everything that may be irrational in his head was surfacing there. Give him some time and I'm sure he will have a better assessment of the situation.

I spent the weekend kinda skipping Saddoboxing to avoid the worst clashes here.

I fully expected Pavlik to slowly break down B-Hop to a close, but controversial decision.

I have never been so wrong in a prediction. Kelly looked out of his element for the first time in all the fights I've seen. B-Hop fought like he was 25 years old. Truly a triumph for B-Hop and a big kudos for him.

I think if Calzaghe beats Jones, a rematch between B-Hop and JC would be a great draw, hopefully with an undercard that doesn't include Dib or Luevano.