George Bush nearly pelted with shoes

[Kirkland Laing]

If we hadn't done that they would still be under a fucking tyrant asshole. Do they prefer to be treated like dogs or get a chance at democracy?

Things under that tyrant are probably looking pretty rosy about now.

You can't force people to take up democracy (and if you think there is any real democracy in the West, you're dreaming). Especially in a place with no tradition of democracy. The Middle East has been a quagmire for nearly 100 years due to Western intervention.

Yeah, Saddam only killed 2,000,000 people, including gassing an entire town. It doesn't get much rosier than that unless you think of Lidice under the Nazis.

And we supported him the whole time he was killing all those people. We only stopped supporting him when he invaded Iraq's 19th province which was under the control of another dictator we support.

[Kirkland Laing]

Yeah, Saddam only killed 2,000,000 people, including gassing an entire town. It doesn't get much rosier than that unless you think of Lidice under the Nazis.

Actually most of that death count was us.
Between the sanctions,the fly overs,GW1,and us giving him all those nasty toys for the war with Iran.
We've got our paws all over that,not to mention encouraging the Kurds to revolt and leaving them high and dry.
At least Sadaam kept the lights on,and the plumbing working,which is more then we can seem to pull off.

Actually no, the death count is the responsibility of the person who made a choice to do the killing. You don't blame Smith and Wesson if I go out and shoot a gas station attendant with a .38 Special.

As for encouraging the Kurds, it appears I need a history lesson. Any trustworthy websites you might recommend on that topic?

The King of Jordan actually fired the first shot in the Iran-Iraq war. I used to have the photograph somewhere but it's lost on some hard drive. The war was originally a pan-Arab war against the Iranians and all the Arab leaders backing it were our puppets, like the King of Jordan. They just left most of the fighting to the Iraqis. After Saddam gassed all those Kurds we were still supporting him. Mainly the US government but the British government also built him gas factories and facilities after the Kurds got gassed too.

[Kirkland Laing]

Is the old style kkKlan still alive in the south these days Lyle?

They must be real pissed off if they are.

...I wouldn't know...I figure racism never goes out of style for some people. But I dislike Obama not because he's black but because of his politics....shouldn't you give me props for that?

You support a bunch of guys who relentlessly rob you and don't support people you do much better under. Why is that?

[Andre]

Is the old style kkKlan still alive in the south these days Lyle?

They must be real pissed off if they are.

...I wouldn't know...I figure racism never goes out of style for some people. But I dislike Obama not because he's black but because of his politics....shouldn't you give me props for that?

You support a bunch of guys who relentlessly rob you and don't support people you do much better under. Why is that?

WHY IS THAT? You cannot read a word that Lyle has typed in the past!

He has already told you his side maybe a hundred times , at least a hundred different ways already and you want to start it over yet again ?

Whats up ?you thought of something you forgot to mention last time around?

Go on, you two, take the thread over ...

Orrrr why dont you swap phone numbers that would be one hell of a call.

[Wayne]

Anybody disturbed that yet again our president just STOOD there after the shoes were thrown? If somebody throws shoes at me and I'm in a hostile country I'm getting the fuck outta dodge.

Once again if that was Obama people would be fawning over how courageous he was

Where the hell did you get that from, Lyle? I didn't say a word about Obama and how courageous he would be. This isn't a partisan thing- the PRESIDENT stood there after some douchebag threw his shoes at him. If a psycho like that got in the building how do you know he doesn't have anything on him more lethal? He just stood there. That's as much an indictment of him as it is of the Secret Service for not jumping on him like Ray Lewis. Do you really think I was knocking him because he was Republican? Sheesh, that's some petty bullshit you got there.

[Wayne]

Anybody disturbed that yet again our president just STOOD there after the shoes were thrown? If somebody throws shoes at me and I'm in a hostile country I'm getting the fuck outta dodge.

Once again if that was Obama people would be fawning over how courageous he was

Where the hell did you get that from, Lyle? I didn't say a word about Obama and how courageous he would be. This isn't a partisan thing- the PRESIDENT stood there after some douchebag threw his shoes at him. If a psycho like that got in the building how do you know he doesn't have anything on him more lethal? He just stood there. That's as much an indictment of him as it is of the Secret Service for not jumping on him like Ray Lewis. Do you really think I was knocking him because he was Republican? Sheesh, that's some petty bullshit you got there.

Let me add to this.

It is also an indictment of Bush that in times of panic he freezes. But the comment has nothing to do with Obama and how smooth his nuts are.

[Kirkland Laing]

...I wouldn't know...I figure racism never goes out of style for some people. But I dislike Obama not because he's black but because of his politics....shouldn't you give me props for that?

You support a bunch of guys who relentlessly rob you and don't support people you do much better under. Why is that?

WHY IS THAT? You cannot read a word that Lyle has typed in the past!

He has already told you his side maybe a hundred times , at least a hundred different ways already and you want to start it over yet again ?

Whats up ?you thought of something you forgot to mention last time around?

Go on, you two, take the thread over ...

Orrrr why dont you swap phone numbers that would be one hell of a call.

He won't reply. He's upset that I started the Shoe Intifada against George Bush, who right now owns a pair of my old trainers.

[El Kabong]

I support the Republicans because I'm for low taxes, less spending (I'm not pleased with how much they spent which is why they are out of power now), and I like owning guns legally of course.

Now just because I usually support Republicans it doesn't mean I am 100% Republican, I am a Registered Indepedent and voted in the Democratic Primary in NC and many of my views are socially liberal....I just don't buy into the whole political correctness bullcrap though.



KillFace, W just got shoes thrown at him, it was a secure room, nobody (aside from the security detail) had weapons. George W. Bush showed that he wasn't a whimp and he wasn't going to let one person keep him from doing his job as President. It makes W look weak if something so minor makes him flee the room, and it inspires people to fight the Americans to some extent. The hypotheticals I mention with Obama are more due to the manner in which he is covered by the press and yes there is a hell of a difference, you can't tell me otherwise.

[CFH]

I support the Republicans because I'm for low taxes, less spending (I'm not pleased with how much they spent which is why they are out of power now), and I like owning guns legally of course.

Now just because I usually support Republicans it doesn't mean I am 100% Republican, I am a Registered Indepedent and voted in the Democratic Primary in NC and many of my views are socially liberal....I just don't buy into the whole political correctness bullcrap though.



KillFace, W just got shoes thrown at him, it was a secure room, nobody (aside from the security detail) had weapons. George W. Bush showed that he wasn't a whimp and he wasn't going to let one person keep him from doing his job as President. It makes W look weak if something so minor makes him flee the room, and it inspires people to fight the Americans to some extent. The hypotheticals I mention with Obama are more due to the manner in which he is covered by the press and yes there is a hell of a difference, you can't tell me otherwise.

I don't know why I bother posting in these threads anymore, but here goes.

Bush had no one to blame but himself for the way he has been treated in the press. Following Sept. 11, he was treated like a Greek God by the media; and by almost everyone else. However, almost everything he has done since then can be categorized as, as best, a series of complete cluster-fucks, and at worse, imperialistic military aggression which has resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of people. [/end rant]

[Wayne]

I support the Republicans because I'm for low taxes, less spending (I'm not pleased with how much they spent which is why they are out of power now), and I like owning guns legally of course.

Now just because I usually support Republicans it doesn't mean I am 100% Republican, I am a Registered Indepedent and voted in the Democratic Primary in NC and many of my views are socially liberal....I just don't buy into the whole political correctness bullcrap though.



KillFace, W just got shoes thrown at him, it was a secure room, nobody (aside from the security detail) had weapons. George W. Bush showed that he wasn't a whimp and he wasn't going to let one person keep him from doing his job as President. It makes W look weak if something so minor makes him flee the room, and it inspires people to fight the Americans to some extent. The hypotheticals I mention with Obama are more due to the manner in which he is covered by the press and yes there is a hell of a difference, you can't tell me otherwise.

But that's got nothing to do with what I was referring to. I'd rather be a living punk than a brave fool (in this instance). There is absolutely nothing to gain from the prez being assassinated by some reporter and I seriously doubt he was showing a brave face by just standing there. He looked like an idiot in headlights. I would say the same thing if Obama or Clinton had done that. It just looked dumb. I don't even know the correct thing to do there, but Secret Service should have swarmed his ass and they weren't around. It should have been one shoe and then he vanished.

I have a side question, though: what punishment does everyone think this guy should get. I heard something like 8 years. Now I'm upset that someone dared to do such a thing at our leader (despite my criticism, I'm not cool with somebody doing that), but I think 8 years is excessive. But then again, he knows the country he lives in. Just like that American kid who marked up the cars in Argentina and got caned, maybe this guy just is getting what he asked for.

[CFH]

I support the Republicans because I'm for low taxes, less spending (I'm not pleased with how much they spent which is why they are out of power now), and I like owning guns legally of course.

Now just because I usually support Republicans it doesn't mean I am 100% Republican, I am a Registered Indepedent and voted in the Democratic Primary in NC and many of my views are socially liberal....I just don't buy into the whole political correctness bullcrap though.



KillFace, W just got shoes thrown at him, it was a secure room, nobody (aside from the security detail) had weapons. George W. Bush showed that he wasn't a whimp and he wasn't going to let one person keep him from doing his job as President. It makes W look weak if something so minor makes him flee the room, and it inspires people to fight the Americans to some extent. The hypotheticals I mention with Obama are more due to the manner in which he is covered by the press and yes there is a hell of a difference, you can't tell me otherwise.

But that's got nothing to do with what I was referring to. I'd rather be a living punk than a brave fool (in this instance). There is absolutely nothing to gain from the prez being assassinated by some reporter and I seriously doubt he was showing a brave face by just standing there. He looked like an idiot in headlights. I would say the same thing if Obama or Clinton had done that. It just looked dumb. I don't even know the correct thing to do there, but Secret Service should have swarmed his ass and they weren't around. It should have been one shoe and then he vanished.

I have a side question, though: what punishment does everyone think this guy should get. I heard something like 8 years. Now I'm upset that someone dared to do such a thing at our leader (despite my criticism, I'm not cool with somebody doing that), but I think 8 years is excessive. But then again, he knows the country he lives in. Just like that American kid who marked up the cars in Argentina and got caned, maybe this guy just is getting what he asked for.

I'm not at all familiar with Iraqi laws and customs, but 8 years seems extremely harsh to me. No one was ever in any real danger, it was a political act/statement - nothing more.

[Mar]

...amazing this guy was damn near a hero and now he's over there crying like a little bitch. Reguardless of who the pres is...(and i don't even vote) or how you feel or don't feel about the guy this shat was crazy, after all the time the secret service or whatever sits around doing nothing they finally have a chance to gun some clown down, anyhow anyone being killed is bad but if someone deserved it...i didn't see him chuckin shoes at the previous leaders there who were cutting off thier heads and whatever else. Take that fucker to jail, throw some shoes in there.

[Kirkland Laing]

In the Iranian capital Tehran, hard-line Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati praised the act at Friday prayers, calling it the "Shoe Intifada."
Jannati proposed people in Iraq and Iran should carry shoes in further anti-American demonstrations.
"This should be a role model," he said.


Shoe-tossing journalist was beaten, Iraqi judge says - International Herald Tribune

Come up with your own lines turban boy, I came up with the Shoe Intifada first. And fired the first shot in it. Well, the second.

[AdamGB]

Shoes in Iraq? good god! people carrying shoes!...

If the place somehow doesn't descent into total Anarchy after this outrage then I bet the US will immediately pull out because they will find the act of shoe carrying so outrageously offensive.

I'm not even in Iraq and my morals have been shaken to the core!

[Kirkland Laing]

The shoe hurled at President George W. Bush has sent sales soaring at the Turkish maker as orders pour in from Iraq, the U.S. and Iran. The brown, thick-soled “Model 271” may soon be renamed “The Bush Shoe” or “Bye-Bye Bush,” Ramazan Baydan, who owns the Istanbul-based producer Baydan Ayakkabicilik San. & Tic., said in a telephone interview today.
“We’ve been selling these shoes for years but, thanks to Bush, orders are flying in like crazy,” he said. “We’ve even hired an agency to look at television advertising.”



Baydan has received orders for 300,000 pairs of the shoes since the attack, more than four times the number his company sold each year since the model was introduced in 1999. The company plans to employ 100 more staff to meet demand, he said.


Bloomberg.com: Europe

You know what to get me for Christmas now.