Hamed/Marquez

[Julius Rain]

Old ground.

Barrera had a four fight deal with Warren when he was at 122, that's it. Maybe they (Barrera) thought it would move them closer to a fight with Hamed.

I think the Hamed camp thought Barrera would come to brawl like he did with Morales. Manny Steward joked they picked the wrong fighter when Barrera fought Jesus Salud.

Back to the topic JMM. At the time - JMM who?

Rain. JMM didn't duck Paq He and many others thought he had won, why shouldn't he get a better pay deal?

If Jmm or Jmms camp ever ducked anybody then it had to be pac, they offer jmm a rematch right away but jmm felt/excuse that he wasnt getting a fair share. Then he went to Chris John for a lot less.

If that is so, does it mean Pac is ducking JMM now? JMM wants the rematch and Pac ain't giving it to him.
Remember when Pac first said "No" to ODLH? Does it mean Pac was ducking ODLH? Nope, he just wanted a bigger buck. See what I mean?
Asking for a bigger buck and ducking someone are very different.

you guys are right, i used the word duck too losely and it is disrespectful to a great fighter like jmm.

the first fight could of gone either way and jmm does deserve to get a better deal. but at the time jmm was not as popular and it was a step backwards to go to asia and fight a unknown fighter worldwide, for a mere 30k. Pac was only making a few thousands fighting ledwaba,sanchez and only 30k to fight marco. JMM didn't duck pac but he made a bad decision taking chris johns offer because whatever pacs camp offer was still better.

Chino - Right now pac isn't fighting a chris john for 30k, his fighting a fighter that is one of the if not the most popular fighter worldwide, hatton for millions of dollars. Hatton is a bigger draw then JMM, Pac will make more fighting Hatton and legacy wise as well. JMM is the Greater fighter then Hatton but a win over Hatton is a lot better then a win over JMM right now. Because Pac has already won over JMM and another win would be great but a win over Hatton at 140 is ever GREATER.

[Dark Lord Al]

Hamed ducked JMM , plain and simple.

[Fenster]

Hamed ducked JMM , plain and simple.

Until he offered him the fight and Marquez said NO!!! Plain and simple.

[Dark Lord Al]

Hamed ducked JMM , plain and simple.

Until he offered him the fight and Marquez said NO!!! Plain and simple.

I have spoken to Hamed on this point , and he clearly told me he ducked JMM and would never fight him.

[Fenster]

Hamed ducked JMM , plain and simple.

Until he offered him the fight and Marquez said NO!!! Plain and simple.

I have spoken to Hamed on this point , and he clearly told me he ducked JMM and would never fight him.

I have spoken to Marquez, he clearly told me he didn't feel ready for the "rocket launchers"

Whoomp there it is!!!

[Dark Lord Al]

Until he offered him the fight and Marquez said NO!!! Plain and simple.

I have spoken to Hamed on this point , and he clearly told me he ducked JMM and would never fight him.

I have spoken to Marquez, he clearly told me he didn't feel ready for the "rocket launchers"

Whoomp there it is!!!

You know thats exactly what Marquez told me . So they inadvertently ducked each other WOW !!!

[BIG H]

Only just seen this thread...

Why should Hamed have fought JMM between 97- 2001?? JMM was fighting stiffs at that stage apart from Norwood who beat him!

[C-Lo]

Old ground.

Barrera had a four fight deal with Warren when he was at 122, that's it. Maybe they (Barrera) thought it would move them closer to a fight with Hamed.

I think the Hamed camp thought Barrera would come to brawl like he did with Morales. Manny Steward joked they picked the wrong fighter when Barrera fought Jesus Salud.

Back to the topic JMM. At the time - JMM who?

Rain. JMM didn't duck Paq He and many others thought he had won, why shouldn't he get a better pay deal?

If Jmm or Jmms camp ever ducked anybody then it had to be pac, they offer jmm a rematch right away but jmm felt/excuse that he wasnt getting a fair share. Then he went to Chris John for a lot less.

If that is so, does it mean Pac is ducking JMM now? JMM wants the rematch and Pac ain't giving it to him.
Remember when Pac first said "No" to ODLH? Does it mean Pac was ducking ODLH? Nope, he just wanted a bigger buck. See what I mean?
Asking for a bigger buck and ducking someone are very different.

you guys are right, i used the word duck too losely and it is disrespectful to a great fighter like jmm.

the first fight could of gone either way and jmm does deserve to get a better deal. but at the time jmm was not as popular and it was a step backwards to go to asia and fight a unknown fighter worldwide, for a mere 30k. Pac was only making a few thousands fighting ledwaba,sanchez and only 30k to fight marco. JMM didn't duck pac but he made a bad decision taking chris johns offer because whatever pacs camp offer was still better.

Chino - Right now pac isn't fighting a chris john for 30k, his fighting a fighter that is one of the if not the most popular fighter worldwide, hatton for millions of dollars. Hatton is a bigger draw then JMM, Pac will make more fighting Hatton and legacy wise as well. JMM is the Greater fighter then Hatton but a win over Hatton is a lot better then a win over JMM right now. Because Pac has already won over JMM and another win would be great but a win over Hatton at 140 is ever GREATER.

That's a nice little question. Who would do more for your legacy? Beating Hatton or Marquez. I think beating Marquez would do more for your legacy than Hatton would.

Hatton would be a great win because he is from a weightclass people didn't see Pacquiao competing in, but in a P4P basis, Marquez is much more than Hatton is...

[Fenster]

Old ground.

Barrera had a four fight deal with Warren when he was at 122, that's it. Maybe they (Barrera) thought it would move them closer to a fight with Hamed.

I think the Hamed camp thought Barrera would come to brawl like he did with Morales. Manny Steward joked they picked the wrong fighter when Barrera fought Jesus Salud.

Back to the topic JMM. At the time - JMM who?

Rain. JMM didn't duck Paq He and many others thought he had won, why shouldn't he get a better pay deal?

If that is so, does it mean Pac is ducking JMM now? JMM wants the rematch and Pac ain't giving it to him.
Remember when Pac first said "No" to ODLH? Does it mean Pac was ducking ODLH? Nope, he just wanted a bigger buck. See what I mean?
Asking for a bigger buck and ducking someone are very different.

you guys are right, i used the word duck too losely and it is disrespectful to a great fighter like jmm.

the first fight could of gone either way and jmm does deserve to get a better deal. but at the time jmm was not as popular and it was a step backwards to go to asia and fight a unknown fighter worldwide, for a mere 30k. Pac was only making a few thousands fighting ledwaba,sanchez and only 30k to fight marco. JMM didn't duck pac but he made a bad decision taking chris johns offer because whatever pacs camp offer was still better.

Chino - Right now pac isn't fighting a chris john for 30k, his fighting a fighter that is one of the if not the most popular fighter worldwide, hatton for millions of dollars. Hatton is a bigger draw then JMM, Pac will make more fighting Hatton and legacy wise as well. JMM is the Greater fighter then Hatton but a win over Hatton is a lot better then a win over JMM right now. Because Pac has already won over JMM and another win would be great but a win over Hatton at 140 is ever GREATER.

That's a nice little question. Who would do more for your legacy? Beating Hatton or Marquez. I think beating Marquez would do more for your legacy than Hatton would.

Hatton would be a great win because he is from a weightclass people didn't see Pacquiao competing in, but in a P4P basis, Marquez is much more than Hatton is...

P4P is mythical nonsense.

Of course beating Hatton - one of the BIGGEST stars in boxing and the undisputed king at 140 - enhances Pac's legacy over ANOTHER Marquez win.

How can that even be up for debate?

[C-Lo]

you guys are right, i used the word duck too losely and it is disrespectful to a great fighter like jmm.

the first fight could of gone either way and jmm does deserve to get a better deal. but at the time jmm was not as popular and it was a step backwards to go to asia and fight a unknown fighter worldwide, for a mere 30k. Pac was only making a few thousands fighting ledwaba,sanchez and only 30k to fight marco. JMM didn't duck pac but he made a bad decision taking chris johns offer because whatever pacs camp offer was still better.

Chino - Right now pac isn't fighting a chris john for 30k, his fighting a fighter that is one of the if not the most popular fighter worldwide, hatton for millions of dollars. Hatton is a bigger draw then JMM, Pac will make more fighting Hatton and legacy wise as well. JMM is the Greater fighter then Hatton but a win over Hatton is a lot better then a win over JMM right now. Because Pac has already won over JMM and another win would be great but a win over Hatton at 140 is ever GREATER.

That's a nice little question. Who would do more for your legacy? Beating Hatton or Marquez. I think beating Marquez would do more for your legacy than Hatton would.

Hatton would be a great win because he is from a weightclass people didn't see Pacquiao competing in, but in a P4P basis, Marquez is much more than Hatton is...

P4P is mythical nonsense.

Of course beating Hatton - one of the BIGGEST stars in boxing and the undisputed king at 140 - enhances Pac's legacy over ANOTHER Marquez win.

How can that even be up for debate?

I wasn't looking at it over "another" Marquez victory. I was looking at it in a general perspective. If Pacquiao does win against Hatton, years from now looking at his resume and seeing a win over Marquez and a win over Hatton, which one would be better?

But I agree, at this point and time, a win over Hatton would be bigger than having another win against Marquez.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Fenster.
You're being a tool in this thread.

Fact.

[Fenster]

Fenster.
You're being a tool in this thread.

Fact.

Well yeah.. anyone that ends a sentence with the word FACT when it's clearly NOT fact is obviously being a tool. Fact.

[Dark Lord Al]

Fenster.
You're being a tool in this thread.

Fact.

Well yeah.. anyone that ends a sentence with the word FACT when it's clearly NOT fact is obviously being a tool. Fact.

That statement is a FACT , and thats a FACT.
Im also being a tool in this thread - FACT!!

[Julius Rain]

Fenster.
You're being a tool in this thread.

Fact.

Well yeah.. anyone that ends a sentence with the word FACT when it's clearly NOT fact is obviously being a tool. Fact.

That statement is a FACT , and thats a FACT.
Im also being a tool in this thread - FACT!!

Fact That!

[GAME]

What I will say about Marquez is that when the stars were in their prime ( Barrera , Morales, Naseem ) He was hardly known and losing to guys like Norwood. But when teh stars have aged, only now has Marquez become noticed.

Its abit like Wvlad is a top heavyweight now but if he was a round a decade ago , I dont think he would be as successful