Biggest Hype Job

[The Fightfan]

I don't think Gerry Cooney would be close. It seems everyone including HBO name him as the biggest hype job. Jimmy Young beat George Foreman two years before Cooney whooped his ass. Ron Lyle gave everyone problems including the "GREAT" Ali, Cooney took him out in 1 round, Norton was old but sure as hell didn't look it, took him out in 54 seconds. Look at his amatuer background one of the top amatuer fighter's took out the undefeated Cuban. I get sick of this shit on Cooney he went 55-3 in the amatuers and was beaten by the alltime greatest fighter's of all time. Do I need to name them ? Holmes,Foreman,Spinks. Nothing to be ashamed of at all in my book. Gave Holmes a helluva a tough time for the heavyweight crown. If weren't for Holmes saying " if Cooney wasn't white he wouldn't be worth a shit" every 5 mins I think we would look at him a little differently. He did what he had to do and did it by knocking the top ranked oppents out not by desicion.

Who I think is the biggest hype job ever is Tyson pure and simple. He was amazing when he was young but since his return after his imprisonment was even bigger than he originally was and did nothing great whatsoever.

[El Kabong]

OK let's forget Cooney....what about Joe Mesi? That guy had 0 losses and he was still a hype job, hell Nicolay Valuev is a hype job and he barely lost that 1 time!

Gerry Cooney IS a victim of greedy people pushing him forward before he was ready AND as a consequence of being exposed by larry Holmes (a great fighter) his entire career was damaged. Not because he wasn't talented but because mentally and psychologically he was no longer at the top level, he never recovered from his first loss.

[CGM]

I don't think Gerry Cooney would be close. It seems everyone including HBO name him as the biggest hype job. Jimmy Young beat George Foreman two years before Cooney whooped his ass. Ron Lyle gave everyone problems including the "GREAT" Ali, Cooney took him out in 1 round, Norton was old but sure as hell didn't look it, took him out in 54 seconds. Look at his amatuer background one of the top amatuer fighter's took out the undefeated Cuban. I get sick of this shit on Cooney he went 55-3 in the amatuers and was beaten by the alltime greatest fighter's of all time. Do I need to name them ? Holmes,Foreman,Spinks. Nothing to be ashamed of at all in my book. Gave Holmes a helluva a tough time for the heavyweight crown. If weren't for Holmes saying " if Cooney wasn't white he wouldn't be worth a shit" every 5 mins I think we would look at him a little differently. He did what he had to do and did it by knocking the top ranked oppents out not by desicion.

Who I think is the biggest hype job ever is Tyson pure and simple. He was amazing when he was young but since his return after his imprisonment was even bigger than he originally was and did nothing great whatsoever.

Holmes- Cooney was 26 years ago. Do you even remember they hype they gave this guy?

[Violent Demise]

HAHA...wut a Dikk.What goes around comes around potna but Im going to rise above this night

Reid skilled no doubt,slick fawka.But He rode that lone olympian hype all over the networks and burned quick.Just never did it for me,Loved his smashing on usually tough Rupa,what he did to Waaaay past it Brown is what I hold against him.You KNOW that was a mirage.It got ugly at the end with him,getting knocked around by so-so types.

Reid had fantastic skills. And a great right hand. But that eye was a liability. He was basically a one eyed fighter. For him to become a champion and beat some good fighters along the way, to me is highly impressive.

A bunch of idiots like to blame Reid's handlers for rushing him in against Felix Trinidad. They think they did a poor job of handling him. But them idiots don't know shiit about Boxing. I think they did of great job of handling him. Reid was already struggling with fighters he had no business struggling with in sparring. Him losing to a lesser fighter in the ring would not be a surprise. So they took advantage of his undefeated record and title and cashed him out against Felix Trinidad. He took a beating in the fight. But he accounted himself quite well and earned a career high pay day of 2.5 million I belive. If Reid would of lost prior to facing Trinidad there was no way he would earn that much money. It was the right move.

Clearly you can not deny his skills.No boubt about it.But I think you sumed it up perfectly right there.Thats my point,he was riding with skills yes...but had emmence backing/buildup...and yes Hype stemming from the gold at the Olympics.I mean,who doesn't.The networks could not get to him fast enough and he was in the limelight from dayone.Clearly he was talented but could not totally meet the level of expections that his handlers and Media set for him.He was all balls in with Tito,fought like a champion...but he was done after that.

If Reid wouldn't of had that eye problem he would never of fought Trinidad when he did. But he had to. Doctors estimated he would have about a year before the eyelid impeded his vision enough to make boxing too dangerous. He had no choice but to cash out. And that's why I never consider David Reid a bust. He was handicapped Boxer.

[Violent Demise]

HAHA...wut a Dikk.What goes around comes around potna but Im going to rise above this night

Reid skilled no doubt,slick fawka.But He rode that lone olympian hype all over the networks and burned quick.Just never did it for me,Loved his smashing on usually tough Rupa,what he did to Waaaay past it Brown is what I hold against him.You KNOW that was a mirage.It got ugly at the end with him,getting knocked around by so-so types.

Reid had fantastic skills. And a great right hand. But that eye was a liability. He was basically a one eyed fighter. For him to become a champion and beat some good fighters along the way, to me is highly impressive.

A bunch of idiots like to blame Reid's handlers for rushing him in against Felix Trinidad. They think they did a poor job of handling him. But them idiots don't know shiit about Boxing. I think they did of great job of handling him. Reid was already struggling with fighters he had no business struggling with in sparring. Him losing to a lesser fighter in the ring would not be a surprise. So they took advantage of his undefeated record and title and cashed him out against Felix Trinidad. He took a beating in the fight. But he accounted himself quite well and earned a career high pay day of 2.5 million I belive. If Reid would of lost prior to facing Trinidad there was no way he would earn that much money. It was the right move.

I agree i don't think David Reid was a hype job either he was a good fighter, with good handspeed/slickness ETC. I have watched a few of his fights and he did struggle against people like Kevin Kelly who is only decent.

But then he did comeback and beat Keith Mullings who despite the record, wern't a bad fighter himself he had a win over Terry Norris. Granted it wasn't a prime Terry Norris but i see that fight, and Terry Norris still performed well in that fight.

And he was ahead but he got hurt and floored in round 8, and never recovered in the next round. Keith Mullings actually was only beat convincingly by Winky Wright, Steve Roberts, that was shocking to see Keith Mullings stopped so early against Steve Roberts.

But anyway i thought David Reid was doing pretty good after 6 rounds against Felix Trinidad, i thought he was possibly ahead by 1 round. And he scored a decent knockdown, but after that it all went downhill and he got battered.

But he still showed heart especially in the later rounds when he fought back, overall i think it was a hell of an achievement to win rounds and go 12 rounds against a prime Felix Trinidad. And even if he wouldn't of fought him the eye would always be a problem, and he wouldn't of had a long career anyway.

Didn't he get the eye injury in the Olympics or something ? i remember hearing about that somewhere but i can't remember. By the way what is David Reid doing now anyway ?

He got it at the Pan American Games. A year before the Olympics. It was against Daniel Santos. A punch to the eye did the damage. It caused the muscle in his eye lid to lose its elasticity. Making it sag. 4 surgeries couldn't fix the problem. Last I heard (which was a couple of years ago) Reid was doing alright. He made about 8 million in his career. Apparently he kept most of it.

[Fenster]

Yep. Fenster never lies.

An eye witness account there of Vitali getting knocked unconcious by Pele Reid. Fact.

That's why it's laughable when these know-nothings say Haye can't KO Vitali

...let me know when it's going to be legal for David Haye to kick in a boxing match buddy.

Vitali's BOXING RECORD speaks for itself he's never been down, he's never been counted out, he has RARELY been hurt and even then only by the BIGGEST of punchers.

The ever reliable Lyle

[El Kabong]

Well Fenster, I just wanted to make it clear

You cannot kick in a BOXING match....FACT

[rjj tszyu]

David Haye

Yeah of course he is!

The former undisputed Cruiserweight champion and future heavyweight champ. Looks like he's got Wlad at Stamford bridge on June 20th.

[RozzySean]

I don't think Gerry Cooney would be close. It seems everyone including HBO name him as the biggest hype job. Jimmy Young beat George Foreman two years before Cooney whooped his ass. Ron Lyle gave everyone problems including the "GREAT" Ali, Cooney took him out in 1 round, Norton was old but sure as hell didn't look it, took him out in 54 seconds. Look at his amatuer background one of the top amatuer fighter's took out the undefeated Cuban. I get sick of this shit on Cooney he went 55-3 in the amatuers and was beaten by the alltime greatest fighter's of all time. Do I need to name them ? Holmes,Foreman,Spinks. Nothing to be ashamed of at all in my book. Gave Holmes a helluva a tough time for the heavyweight crown. If weren't for Holmes saying " if Cooney wasn't white he wouldn't be worth a shit" every 5 mins I think we would look at him a little differently. He did what he had to do and did it by knocking the top ranked oppents out not by desicion.

Who I think is the biggest hype job ever is Tyson pure and simple. He was amazing when he was young but since his return after his imprisonment was even bigger than he originally was and did nothing great whatsoever.

Holmes- Cooney was 26 years ago. Do you even remember they hype they gave this guy?

I'm old enought to remember all the hype. He did get plenty of it, but he was a good fighter who had some accomplishments under his belt, not just at the amateur, but also at the pro level. The fact is the fight with Holmes with overhyped and because of the racial tension mixed into the thing, it makes him seem like a big white hype job. That fact is, had Cooney been black, with his accomplishments, they would have still been talking about Cooney as a credible and dangerous opponent. Cooney had the most feared left hook in the division at the time and it was with good reason. He had sparked, Young, Lyle, and Norton in order, in a grand total of 6 rounds. The division was somewhat thin at the time, and Cooney was one of the better opponents Holmes fought.

Cooney made a fairly close fight of it. Without those points for low blows, he was even or close too it on the cards. If Holmes has taken out Cooney in 5-6 rounds or Cooney had never been in the fight, you could call Cooney the greatest hype job, but to call him that is an insult to a good fighter who was taken advantage of by gready management.

[Spicoli]

Reid had fantastic skills. And a great right hand. But that eye was a liability. He was basically a one eyed fighter. For him to become a champion and beat some good fighters along the way, to me is highly impressive.

A bunch of idiots like to blame Reid's handlers for rushing him in against Felix Trinidad. They think they did a poor job of handling him. But them idiots don't know shiit about Boxing. I think they did of great job of handling him. Reid was already struggling with fighters he had no business struggling with in sparring. Him losing to a lesser fighter in the ring would not be a surprise. So they took advantage of his undefeated record and title and cashed him out against Felix Trinidad. He took a beating in the fight. But he accounted himself quite well and earned a career high pay day of 2.5 million I belive. If Reid would of lost prior to facing Trinidad there was no way he would earn that much money. It was the right move.

Clearly you can not deny his skills.No boubt about it.But I think you sumed it up perfectly right there.Thats my point,he was riding with skills yes...but had emmence backing/buildup...and yes Hype stemming from the gold at the Olympics.I mean,who doesn't.The networks could not get to him fast enough and he was in the limelight from dayone.Clearly he was talented but could not totally meet the level of expections that his handlers and Media set for him.He was all balls in with Tito,fought like a champion...but he was done after that.

If Reid wouldn't of had that eye problem he would never of fought Trinidad when he did. But he had to. Doctors estimated he would have about a year before the eyelid impeded his vision enough to make boxing too dangerous. He had no choice but to cash out. And that's why I never consider David Reid a bust. He was handicapped Boxer.

Agreed here,He was definatly not a bust...he had substance and ability.Has to be commended for not only over coming opponents but legitament obstacles going into each and every fight.You could see the lid getting worse and worse as he went on.He started catching alot of straight shots and balance was becoming spotty.If I remember correctly,there was some talk about him facing Fellow Philadelphian Hopkins...that would have been bad.

[CGM]

I don't think Gerry Cooney would be close. It seems everyone including HBO name him as the biggest hype job. Jimmy Young beat George Foreman two years before Cooney whooped his ass. Ron Lyle gave everyone problems including the "GREAT" Ali, Cooney took him out in 1 round, Norton was old but sure as hell didn't look it, took him out in 54 seconds. Look at his amatuer background one of the top amatuer fighter's took out the undefeated Cuban. I get sick of this shit on Cooney he went 55-3 in the amatuers and was beaten by the alltime greatest fighter's of all time. Do I need to name them ? Holmes,Foreman,Spinks. Nothing to be ashamed of at all in my book. Gave Holmes a helluva a tough time for the heavyweight crown. If weren't for Holmes saying " if Cooney wasn't white he wouldn't be worth a shit" every 5 mins I think we would look at him a little differently. He did what he had to do and did it by knocking the top ranked oppents out not by desicion.

Who I think is the biggest hype job ever is Tyson pure and simple. He was amazing when he was young but since his return after his imprisonment was even bigger than he originally was and did nothing great whatsoever.

Holmes- Cooney was 26 years ago. Do you even remember they hype they gave this guy?

I'm old enought to remember all the hype. He did get plenty of it, but he was a good fighter who had some accomplishments under his belt, not just at the amateur, but also at the pro level. The fact is the fight with Holmes with overhyped and because of the racial tension mixed into the thing, it makes him seem like a big white hype job. That fact is, had Cooney been black, with his accomplishments, they would have still been talking about Cooney as a credible and dangerous opponent. Cooney had the most feared left hook in the division at the time and it was with good reason. He had sparked, Young, Lyle, and Norton in order, in a grand total of 6 rounds. The division was somewhat thin at the time, and Cooney was one of the better opponents Holmes fought.

Cooney made a fairly close fight of it. Without those points for low blows, he was even or close too it on the cards. If Holmes has taken out Cooney in 5-6 rounds or Cooney had never been in the fight, you could call Cooney the greatest hype job, but to call him that is an insult to a good fighter who was taken advantage of by gready management.

Fair enough, Cooney wasn't that bad. He didn't do that bad against Holmes, but 2 of 3 cards were generous to him IMO. Holmes was never in danger. Sure he was one of Holmes bigger challengers, but not his toughest fight, but he was the most hyped challenger. But point taken.

[GeorgeForeman8]

Oscar De la Hoya, every time he steps up and fights a white or black fighter he loses but most of the time he gets a gift descision. You know why he gets it and I know why he gets it but i wont say it because i will get banned.

Rocky Marciano. number 1 he is a cruiserweight or a slightly bigger than average light heavyweight yet to this day little kids like some of you still think he could beat true 205 plus pound heavyweights not to mention the best guys he beat in his career were pushing 40 or started their careers as middleweights

Both Klitschko's. No heavyweights in the last 30 years has fought so many bums but recieved so much praise. Vitali beat Danny Williams a bum only known because he beat a washed up Mike Tyson. Corrie Sanders a joke fighter who is only known because he knocked out the glass chinned Wladimir. Byrd a middleweight made Vitali quit because he hurt his arm. Juan Carlos Gomez was a blown up cruiserweight with no skills. Sam Peter is a fat overweight slob who best wins came over Olev Maskeav another bum who gets knocked out every time he steps up

Wladimir was knocked out by Ross Purity a club fighter, Lamont Brewster another bum who is only known because he knocked out Wlad. The list goes on and on with the bums this joke fights but I actually seen some dumb dumb say Wlad and Vitali could both knock out a prime George Foreman. Simply amusing

[BIG H]

Oscar De la Hoya, every time he steps up and fights a white or black fighter he loses but most of the time he gets a gift descision. You know why he gets it and I know why he gets it but i wont say it because i will get banned.

DelaHoya has been on both sides of dodgy decisions. He was robbed against Mosely in the 2nd fight & he beat Tito imo.

[jon09]

Edison Miranda
Antonio Margarito-As of now all his wins are tainted.
Sam Peter
Hasim Rahman
Zab Judah
Antonio Tarver- His mouth and 1 highlight knockout keep him around.
O'neil Bell
David Tua

[JazMerkin]

Almost any vaguely competent white American Heavyweight. I think the media start hearing the tune to Rocky as soon as they see them get into the ring. Regardless of whether they're actually any good.