I'm addicted to what-ifs

[Taeth]

I feel ya but the point I was tryin to make was that their physicality is comparable and that Foremans imposing size and reach are not really factors in reclation to Lewis.

I'll admit that Foreman was more of a Knockout merchant but if not only because he had power in both hands, then simply because he was more aggressive. But then i think Lennox Lewis would always be more effective and I'm not sure Foreman had ever been hit by a 245lbs powerpuncher .

but we DO know what happened when Lewis got tagged by a solid right hand by a somewhat decent hitter of about the same size as Foreman (Rahman)

We already established that Lewis would have to be on his A-game. Lewis was boxing badly and loosing that fight before he got KO'd

Lewis was ahead 39-37 on all 3 cards

Was he?!

Okay shame on me but I'm sure it was evident that he was boxing very poorly.

Didn't he have bad preparations or something

Yes Lewis was not fully prepared, he was blowing and was stupid to let his hands down. The two KO's at the prime of his career let him down as an ATG.

How does that stop him from being an ATG? Foreman was ko'ed in his prime by a worn Ali, he looked foolish against Jimmy YOung. Frazier was stopped twice by Foreman. Does that mean they aren't ATG? Lewis beat both guys that beat him, and the McCall fight shouldn't have been stopped.

[TitoFan]

I feel ya but the point I was tryin to make was that their physicality is comparable and that Foremans imposing size and reach are not really factors in reclation to Lewis.

I'll admit that Foreman was more of a Knockout merchant but if not only because he had power in both hands, then simply because he was more aggressive. But then i think Lennox Lewis would always be more effective and I'm not sure Foreman had ever been hit by a 245lbs powerpuncher .

but we DO know what happened when Lewis got tagged by a solid right hand by a somewhat decent hitter of about the same size as Foreman (Rahman)

When Lewis didn't train, cardio has a lot to do with your chin. Look how Lewis did against Tua's punches when they landed, Vitali Klitschko's, Mike Tyson's early on. His chin was more htan good enough, but stylistically he would have never fought FOreman with such reckless abandon as he did against Rahman and the first McCall fight(which shouldn't have been stopped).

Foreman was almost ko'ed by Ron Lyle, and Ali knocked him out, neither of them could hit as hard as Lewis.

My point is that Foreman's advantages were in his size and power when he was younger. He developped more boxing skills later in his career, but in his youth he was a pretty rudimentary fighter.

You mean all ZERO of them? All Lewis caught from Tua in that horrendous borefest was the wind from his winging left hooks as Lennox leaned back and out of reach from Tua, who had no clue as to what to do with Lewis. Bad example.

[generalbulldog]

I would seriously give even a young George a good to decent shot at beating any version of Lewis. Why you ask? Foreman is one of the hardest hitting HWs ever, hell it could be argued that he may be the hardest hitting HW of all time. When you lift a 215 pound Frazier off the canvas with 1 of your uppercuts, that's a hell a lot of power and strength. Lewis too iffy of a chin. Sure young George was reckless, but if he connected it would be lights out on Lewis, best believe that.

Here's another what if concerning Foreman. What if the prime Foreman had the boxing smarts and maturity of the old Foreman? That would be 1 hell of a fighter.

Lewis took hits from Tua fine, and Foreman was also a relatively plodding fighter, how would he have teld with Lennox's jab? Also Lewis was able to land a shot as hard as anyone, and he could have knocked young FOreman out cold.

None of those shots from Tua landed flush, in fact most missed. All I know is McCall and Rahman ko Lewis and I'm willing to bet that Foreman hits much harder than those guys.
And then your other excuse why Lewis got ko was that he hardly train that's why he got ko. Tyson hardly train at all against Douglass and he took massive damage from that fight taking flush shots. Hell even a shot/past his prime Tyson still took massive flush shots from Lewis before going down. Lewis chin at best was average and it isn't granite as you make it out to be. And as I said before, if Prime Foreman connects it's nighty night for Lewis.

[Master]

Lewis did not lose to fighters that he respected, I think he would beat George because Lewis would not allow himself to be complacent as he could not afford to take chances against George. Lewis could even pull a Ruddock like victory because George was crude at times.

[TitoFan]

I have no issues that a focused Lewis would have a good chance against Foreman. And yes... Foreman WAS crude and rudimentary. What I do have a problem with is the argument about Lewis having a granite chin. Tua did NOT test it, and a couple of run-of-the-mill fighters got 1-punch KO's against him. It's OK to be a fan, but keep it realistic.

[Master]

I have no issues that a focused Lewis would have a good chance against Foreman. And yes... Foreman WAS crude and rudimentary. What I do have a problem with is the argument about Lewis having a granite chin. Tua did NOT test it, and a couple of run-of-the-mill fighters got 1-punch KO's against him. It's OK to be a fan, but keep it realistic.

Agreed although Lewis did takes bombs from Mercer.

[Taeth]

I feel ya but the point I was tryin to make was that their physicality is comparable and that Foremans imposing size and reach are not really factors in reclation to Lewis.

I'll admit that Foreman was more of a Knockout merchant but if not only because he had power in both hands, then simply because he was more aggressive. But then i think Lennox Lewis would always be more effective and I'm not sure Foreman had ever been hit by a 245lbs powerpuncher .

but we DO know what happened when Lewis got tagged by a solid right hand by a somewhat decent hitter of about the same size as Foreman (Rahman)

When Lewis didn't train, cardio has a lot to do with your chin. Look how Lewis did against Tua's punches when they landed, Vitali Klitschko's, Mike Tyson's early on. His chin was more htan good enough, but stylistically he would have never fought FOreman with such reckless abandon as he did against Rahman and the first McCall fight(which shouldn't have been stopped).

Foreman was almost ko'ed by Ron Lyle, and Ali knocked him out, neither of them could hit as hard as Lewis.

My point is that Foreman's advantages were in his size and power when he was younger. He developped more boxing skills later in his career, but in his youth he was a pretty rudimentary fighter.

You mean all ZERO of them? All Lewis caught from Tua in that horrendous borefest was the wind from his winging left hooks as Lennox leaned back and out of reach from Tua, who had no clue as to what to do with Lewis. Bad example.

Watch the fight, Tua lands a hard punch in that fight. Lewis did out box him, but Tua wasn't able to one punch Lewis despite the fact he probably hit harder than anyone the heavyweight division has ever seen. Tyson also hit Lewis with a clean left hook in the first round of hteir fight. Tyson may have lost form, but never power.

Also Oliver McCall when he was mentally sound was absolute nightmare, you go look up stories about him at his best, and he was a really big guy could hit hard, and he was a mean muther fucker. He was one of those guys where it didn't translate to his career, but also that fight Lennox wasn't knocked out, it was a bad call IMO by the ref.

Against Rahman he was winning the fihgt, he got complacent and he was tired because he didn't train hard and he was caught with a punch he didn't see coming.

[Spicoli]

I have no issues that a focused Lewis would have a good chance against Foreman. And yes... Foreman WAS crude and rudimentary. What I do have a problem with is the argument about Lewis having a granite chin. Tua did NOT test it, and a couple of run-of-the-mill fighters got 1-punch KO's against him. It's OK to be a fan, but keep it realistic.

Agreed although Lewis did takes bombs from Mercer.

Lewis gets a bad rap for chin I believe. I take Holyfields left hook over anything McCall could put on. He was caught clean as are many but Tyson,Morrison (both near end yeh),Tua,Ruddock all had legit bricks and Lewis delt. Also faced the same two who sparked him and even though McCall was a sobbing schoolgirl Lewis was not moved by either guy again.

[TitoFan]

I have no issues that a focused Lewis would have a good chance against Foreman. And yes... Foreman WAS crude and rudimentary. What I do have a problem with is the argument about Lewis having a granite chin. Tua did NOT test it, and a couple of run-of-the-mill fighters got 1-punch KO's against him. It's OK to be a fan, but keep it realistic.

Agreed although Lewis did takes bombs from Mercer.

Oh, Lewis could take a punch. After all, he did fight Tyson and Vitali, two very hard punchers in their time. But using the Tua fight as an argument is ridiculous. Had Tua reached him with his vaunted left hooks, Lewis would've gone down. Also, Lewis's chin was never his best attribute. His best attributes were his boxing ability (when he was focused) and his own power. If the focused Lewis had faced Foreman, he would've probably won with these skills. But he'd have to stay away from Foreman's power shots, 'cause I could certainly see Foreman being able to stun or drop Lewis.

[TitoFan]

I feel ya but the point I was tryin to make was that their physicality is comparable and that Foremans imposing size and reach are not really factors in reclation to Lewis.

I'll admit that Foreman was more of a Knockout merchant but if not only because he had power in both hands, then simply because he was more aggressive. But then i think Lennox Lewis would always be more effective and I'm not sure Foreman had ever been hit by a 245lbs powerpuncher .

but we DO know what happened when Lewis got tagged by a solid right hand by a somewhat decent hitter of about the same size as Foreman (Rahman)

When Lewis didn't train, cardio has a lot to do with your chin. Look how Lewis did against Tua's punches when they landed, Vitali Klitschko's, Mike Tyson's early on. His chin was more htan good enough, but stylistically he would have never fought FOreman with such reckless abandon as he did against Rahman and the first McCall fight(which shouldn't have been stopped).

Foreman was almost ko'ed by Ron Lyle, and Ali knocked him out, neither of them could hit as hard as Lewis.

My point is that Foreman's advantages were in his size and power when he was younger. He developped more boxing skills later in his career, but in his youth he was a pretty rudimentary fighter.

You mean all ZERO of them? All Lewis caught from Tua in that horrendous borefest was the wind from his winging left hooks as Lennox leaned back and out of reach from Tua, who had no clue as to what to do with Lewis. Bad example.

Watch the fight, Tua lands a hard punch in that fight. Lewis did out box him, but Tua wasn't able to one punch Lewis despite the fact he probably hit harder than anyone the heavyweight division has ever seen. Tyson also hit Lewis with a clean left hook in the first round of hteir fight. Tyson may have lost form, but never power.

Also Oliver McCall when he was mentally sound was absolute nightmare, you go look up stories about him at his best, and he was a really big guy could hit hard, and he was a mean muther fucker. He was one of those guys where it didn't translate to his career, but also that fight Lennox wasn't knocked out, it was a bad call IMO by the ref.

Against Rahman he was winning the fihgt, he got complacent and he was tired because he didn't train hard and he was caught with a punch he didn't see coming.

I wouldn't watch this fight again if they paid me... the first time was bad enough. You say Tua "lands a hard punch in that fight." I beg to differ, but even if he did, one punch does not an iron chin prove. So spare me the Tua fight as an example of how good Lennox's chin was. He WAS NOT tested on that day.