I'm addicted to what-ifs

[ElTerribleMorales]

I feel ya but the point I was tryin to make was that their physicality is comparable and that Foremans imposing size and reach are not really factors in reclation to Lewis.

I'll admit that Foreman was more of a Knockout merchant but if not only because he had power in both hands, then simply because he was more aggressive. But then i think Lennox Lewis would always be more effective and I'm not sure Foreman had ever been hit by a 245lbs powerpuncher .

but we DO know what happened when Lewis got tagged by a solid right hand by a somewhat decent hitter of about the same size as Foreman (Rahman)

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I feel ya but the point I was tryin to make was that their physicality is comparable and that Foremans imposing size and reach are not really factors in reclation to Lewis.

I'll admit that Foreman was more of a Knockout merchant but if not only because he had power in both hands, then simply because he was more aggressive. But then i think Lennox Lewis would always be more effective and I'm not sure Foreman had ever been hit by a 245lbs powerpuncher .

but we DO know what happened when Lewis got tagged by a solid right hand by a somewhat decent hitter of about the same size as Foreman (Rahman)

We already established that Lewis would have to be on his A-game. Lewis was boxing badly and loosing that fight before he got KO'd

[ElTerribleMorales]

I feel ya but the point I was tryin to make was that their physicality is comparable and that Foremans imposing size and reach are not really factors in reclation to Lewis.

I'll admit that Foreman was more of a Knockout merchant but if not only because he had power in both hands, then simply because he was more aggressive. But then i think Lennox Lewis would always be more effective and I'm not sure Foreman had ever been hit by a 245lbs powerpuncher .

but we DO know what happened when Lewis got tagged by a solid right hand by a somewhat decent hitter of about the same size as Foreman (Rahman)

We already established that Lewis would have to be on his A-game. Lewis was boxing badly and loosing that fight before he got KO'd

Lewis was ahead 39-37 on all 3 cards

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I feel ya but the point I was tryin to make was that their physicality is comparable and that Foremans imposing size and reach are not really factors in reclation to Lewis.

I'll admit that Foreman was more of a Knockout merchant but if not only because he had power in both hands, then simply because he was more aggressive. But then i think Lennox Lewis would always be more effective and I'm not sure Foreman had ever been hit by a 245lbs powerpuncher .

but we DO know what happened when Lewis got tagged by a solid right hand by a somewhat decent hitter of about the same size as Foreman (Rahman)

We already established that Lewis would have to be on his A-game. Lewis was boxing badly and loosing that fight before he got KO'd

Lewis was ahead 39-37 on all 3 cards

Was he?!

Okay shame on me but I'm sure it was evident that he was boxing very poorly.

Didn't he have bad preparations or something

[Master]

I feel ya but the point I was tryin to make was that their physicality is comparable and that Foremans imposing size and reach are not really factors in reclation to Lewis.

I'll admit that Foreman was more of a Knockout merchant but if not only because he had power in both hands, then simply because he was more aggressive. But then i think Lennox Lewis would always be more effective and I'm not sure Foreman had ever been hit by a 245lbs powerpuncher .

but we DO know what happened when Lewis got tagged by a solid right hand by a somewhat decent hitter of about the same size as Foreman (Rahman)

We already established that Lewis would have to be on his A-game. Lewis was boxing badly and loosing that fight before he got KO'd

Lewis was ahead 39-37 on all 3 cards

Was he?!

Okay shame on me but I'm sure it was evident that he was boxing very poorly.

Didn't he have bad preparations or something

Yes Lewis was not fully prepared, he was blowing and was stupid to let his hands down. The two KO's at the prime of his career let him down as an ATG.

[BIG H]

Lewis was to busy filming that Nicolas Cage film to be training

[generalbulldog]

If I'm not mistaken the movie that Lewis was busy shooting was Ocean's Eleven and it also had Wlad in it too.

[Taeth]

I feel ya but the point I was tryin to make was that their physicality is comparable and that Foremans imposing size and reach are not really factors in reclation to Lewis.

I'll admit that Foreman was more of a Knockout merchant but if not only because he had power in both hands, then simply because he was more aggressive. But then i think Lennox Lewis would always be more effective and I'm not sure Foreman had ever been hit by a 245lbs powerpuncher .

but we DO know what happened when Lewis got tagged by a solid right hand by a somewhat decent hitter of about the same size as Foreman (Rahman)

We already established that Lewis would have to be on his A-game. Lewis was boxing badly and loosing that fight before he got KO'd

Lewis was ahead 39-37 on all 3 cards

Was he?!

Okay shame on me but I'm sure it was evident that he was boxing very poorly.

Didn't he have bad preparations or something

Yes Lewis was not fully prepared, he was blowing and was stupid to let his hands down. The two KO's at the prime of his career let him down as an ATG.

How does that stop him from being an ATG? Foreman was ko'ed in his prime by a worn Ali, he looked foolish against Jimmy YOung. Frazier was stopped twice by Foreman. Does that mean they aren't ATG? Lewis beat both guys that beat him, and the McCall fight shouldn't have been stopped.

[Taeth]

I feel ya but the point I was tryin to make was that their physicality is comparable and that Foremans imposing size and reach are not really factors in reclation to Lewis.

I'll admit that Foreman was more of a Knockout merchant but if not only because he had power in both hands, then simply because he was more aggressive. But then i think Lennox Lewis would always be more effective and I'm not sure Foreman had ever been hit by a 245lbs powerpuncher .

but we DO know what happened when Lewis got tagged by a solid right hand by a somewhat decent hitter of about the same size as Foreman (Rahman)

When Lewis didn't train, cardio has a lot to do with your chin. Look how Lewis did against Tua's punches when they landed, Vitali Klitschko's, Mike Tyson's early on. His chin was more htan good enough, but stylistically he would have never fought FOreman with such reckless abandon as he did against Rahman and the first McCall fight(which shouldn't have been stopped).

Foreman was almost ko'ed by Ron Lyle, and Ali knocked him out, neither of them could hit as hard as Lewis.

My point is that Foreman's advantages were in his size and power when he was younger. He developped more boxing skills later in his career, but in his youth he was a pretty rudimentary fighter.

[TitoFan]

I feel ya but the point I was tryin to make was that their physicality is comparable and that Foremans imposing size and reach are not really factors in reclation to Lewis.

I'll admit that Foreman was more of a Knockout merchant but if not only because he had power in both hands, then simply because he was more aggressive. But then i think Lennox Lewis would always be more effective and I'm not sure Foreman had ever been hit by a 245lbs powerpuncher .

but we DO know what happened when Lewis got tagged by a solid right hand by a somewhat decent hitter of about the same size as Foreman (Rahman)

When Lewis didn't train, cardio has a lot to do with your chin. Look how Lewis did against Tua's punches when they landed, Vitali Klitschko's, Mike Tyson's early on. His chin was more htan good enough, but stylistically he would have never fought FOreman with such reckless abandon as he did against Rahman and the first McCall fight(which shouldn't have been stopped).

Foreman was almost ko'ed by Ron Lyle, and Ali knocked him out, neither of them could hit as hard as Lewis.

My point is that Foreman's advantages were in his size and power when he was younger. He developped more boxing skills later in his career, but in his youth he was a pretty rudimentary fighter.

You mean all ZERO of them? All Lewis caught from Tua in that horrendous borefest was the wind from his winging left hooks as Lennox leaned back and out of reach from Tua, who had no clue as to what to do with Lewis. Bad example.

[Taeth]

I feel ya but the point I was tryin to make was that their physicality is comparable and that Foremans imposing size and reach are not really factors in reclation to Lewis.

I'll admit that Foreman was more of a Knockout merchant but if not only because he had power in both hands, then simply because he was more aggressive. But then i think Lennox Lewis would always be more effective and I'm not sure Foreman had ever been hit by a 245lbs powerpuncher .

but we DO know what happened when Lewis got tagged by a solid right hand by a somewhat decent hitter of about the same size as Foreman (Rahman)

When Lewis didn't train, cardio has a lot to do with your chin. Look how Lewis did against Tua's punches when they landed, Vitali Klitschko's, Mike Tyson's early on. His chin was more htan good enough, but stylistically he would have never fought FOreman with such reckless abandon as he did against Rahman and the first McCall fight(which shouldn't have been stopped).

Foreman was almost ko'ed by Ron Lyle, and Ali knocked him out, neither of them could hit as hard as Lewis.

My point is that Foreman's advantages were in his size and power when he was younger. He developped more boxing skills later in his career, but in his youth he was a pretty rudimentary fighter.

You mean all ZERO of them? All Lewis caught from Tua in that horrendous borefest was the wind from his winging left hooks as Lennox leaned back and out of reach from Tua, who had no clue as to what to do with Lewis. Bad example.

Watch the fight, Tua lands a hard punch in that fight. Lewis did out box him, but Tua wasn't able to one punch Lewis despite the fact he probably hit harder than anyone the heavyweight division has ever seen. Tyson also hit Lewis with a clean left hook in the first round of hteir fight. Tyson may have lost form, but never power.

Also Oliver McCall when he was mentally sound was absolute nightmare, you go look up stories about him at his best, and he was a really big guy could hit hard, and he was a mean muther fucker. He was one of those guys where it didn't translate to his career, but also that fight Lennox wasn't knocked out, it was a bad call IMO by the ref.

Against Rahman he was winning the fihgt, he got complacent and he was tired because he didn't train hard and he was caught with a punch he didn't see coming.

[TitoFan]

I feel ya but the point I was tryin to make was that their physicality is comparable and that Foremans imposing size and reach are not really factors in reclation to Lewis.

I'll admit that Foreman was more of a Knockout merchant but if not only because he had power in both hands, then simply because he was more aggressive. But then i think Lennox Lewis would always be more effective and I'm not sure Foreman had ever been hit by a 245lbs powerpuncher .

but we DO know what happened when Lewis got tagged by a solid right hand by a somewhat decent hitter of about the same size as Foreman (Rahman)

When Lewis didn't train, cardio has a lot to do with your chin. Look how Lewis did against Tua's punches when they landed, Vitali Klitschko's, Mike Tyson's early on. His chin was more htan good enough, but stylistically he would have never fought FOreman with such reckless abandon as he did against Rahman and the first McCall fight(which shouldn't have been stopped).

Foreman was almost ko'ed by Ron Lyle, and Ali knocked him out, neither of them could hit as hard as Lewis.

My point is that Foreman's advantages were in his size and power when he was younger. He developped more boxing skills later in his career, but in his youth he was a pretty rudimentary fighter.

You mean all ZERO of them? All Lewis caught from Tua in that horrendous borefest was the wind from his winging left hooks as Lennox leaned back and out of reach from Tua, who had no clue as to what to do with Lewis. Bad example.

Watch the fight, Tua lands a hard punch in that fight. Lewis did out box him, but Tua wasn't able to one punch Lewis despite the fact he probably hit harder than anyone the heavyweight division has ever seen. Tyson also hit Lewis with a clean left hook in the first round of hteir fight. Tyson may have lost form, but never power.

Also Oliver McCall when he was mentally sound was absolute nightmare, you go look up stories about him at his best, and he was a really big guy could hit hard, and he was a mean muther fucker. He was one of those guys where it didn't translate to his career, but also that fight Lennox wasn't knocked out, it was a bad call IMO by the ref.

Against Rahman he was winning the fihgt, he got complacent and he was tired because he didn't train hard and he was caught with a punch he didn't see coming.

I wouldn't watch this fight again if they paid me... the first time was bad enough. You say Tua "lands a hard punch in that fight." I beg to differ, but even if he did, one punch does not an iron chin prove. So spare me the Tua fight as an example of how good Lennox's chin was. He WAS NOT tested on that day.