Haye Fans Gather Round: What's the winning formula?

[Memphis]

LOL Memf, where's he animated Giff then?! lol

No seriously, the horse is officially dead and beat I know... but to be fair, Austin was already moving before Wlad planted his feet and then Austin dipped in reaction as Wlad threw the shot (as you've illustrated).

The point I was making was aimed at the angle. HF was saying the shot (WK's hook) would be impractical from that angle (once Haye had side-stepped the jab to counter with the right hand) and I was showing that a hook was perfectly practical depending on the position of their feet but also that if their feet were not in line then David would probably be to far over to counter anyway. (Baring in mind this is Wladimir Klitschko were talking about).

I admit, it's a whole load of nothing but I guess I'm in this mode because I'm actually shit scared for David.
I can just see him drifting along the ropes with a half arsed glove against his face thinking ''all I have to do is fidgit a bit and fuck him off'', feeling nice and safe about to move out of harms way and getting absolutely destroyed, chin blazing up to the sky, knees sucked towards the ground, KTFO

To be fair I could give a shit about the technicalities, Im just well impressed that we are now using presentations to sell our points, its brilliant

I think one of them is getting horribly embarrased, Im 75 - 25 in favour of Haye being the one looking a plum. Heres hoping Im wrong.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Haye cannot afford to spend too long simply avoiding jabs and setting traps but I'm sure he will find some success (from the middle of the ring to the ropes) by slipping / stepping/ sniping if he chooses to plant his feet at the right time. I've seen Chambers, Brock & Thompson all have varied success at this. The only problem all those guys had was that they weren't fast enough on their feet... Or they just didn't move at all.

Haye, I'm sure, can 'go missing' if he wants to which leads me to believe this can easily be a long fight, because Haye won't be as desperate as it may seem to some.

I think Haye believes that he will simply move a round the ring, flirt with Wladimir's punching range, keep him on edge and just pick his moments in getting to Wladimir.

I think a huge part of Hayes success in putting pressure on Wladimir and finding his chin is by showing that he can reach Wladimir's ribs... Not via bobbing and weaving or constant furious movements but by staying out of range, keeping Wladimir's foot work in check, picking his moments, feint up top and throwing downstairs.

He also has to realistic and assume that no amount of manoeuvring is going to engineer success in combination punching.

One of the reasons why is because nigh on every time someone takes a swing at Wladimir, he skips straight back (in a straight line), regardless of where the attacks come from or where he is situated around the ring. (Meaning this can be used against him to drive him to the ropes).

The other thing he does is strong-arm you two ways, either in a sort of arms out in the air like Hasim Rahman's 'My arms are longer than Lennox Lewis' sort of way which is effective at deflecting incoming punches... Or he simply pushes your head down.

The main thing is remembering that Wladimir always retreats in straight lines so if you can drive him back to the ropes where (if your smart, patient, explosive & accurate) you can probably initiate a more intense & sustained body attack (without bobbing and weaving as mentioned earlier) as Wladimir will instinctively look to do some very rudimentary things, none of which include protecting his body.

This puts Pressure on Wladimir to do some relatively rash things which puts him right where David wants him.

It's all about manoeuvring him to the ropes and putting pressure on him to lash out.
All of which would be far more easier to do in a southpaw stance IMO.

Haye just kept giving ground. Why? He wasn't scared... Even when he got clocked he retained his composure so why always give ground?!

His Tysonesque head-movement was interesting, I wish he'd of doubled up on that... or doubled and then feinted. Just wasn't dynamic enough for an unorthodox fighter.

[generalbulldog]

A healthy toe obviously.