No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?

[Bobthepen]

Jermain was a very good fighter until the partying caught up with him....and also the end of both of the fights vs Hopkins probably made him damaged goods.

Hopkins is who he is, he's always been a difficult fight because he's so damned cagey. He's awkward & strong & a good ring general, but I will say I hate the dude. I just wish Roy Jones Jr rematched him a lot sooner than when he did, but also that was B-Hop's doing as well as he wasn't going to leave 160 til he got beaten & Roy could no longer make the weight.

I wonder how Hop would have done vs Eubank, Benn, Collins, Jackson, Toney et al

Eubank, Benn and Toney would have all beaten Hopkins. He struggled with class middleweights, genuine natural middleweights.

Benn style was fucking made for Hopkins. He would of been embarrassed.

I spose abenns style was also taylor made for McClellan too. If that fight had never happened and McClellan had had to retire right before that fight, this is exactly what would have been said about it. It was almost true but for Benn being a hard stubborn bastard.

FFS, it's tailor made, like a suit.

Do you actually watch these fights? or just look at stats on boxrec? McClellan's style is nothing like Hopkins', so why bring him up? You would have been better placed to bring up awkward fighters like Malinga or Eubank, both of whom beat Benn and neither of whom are as good as Hopkins.

[Violent Demise]

Jermain was a very good fighter until the partying caught up with him....and also the end of both of the fights vs Hopkins probably made him damaged goods.

Hopkins is who he is, he's always been a difficult fight because he's so damned cagey. He's awkward & strong & a good ring general, but I will say I hate the dude. I just wish Roy Jones Jr rematched him a lot sooner than when he did, but also that was B-Hop's doing as well as he wasn't going to leave 160 til he got beaten & Roy could no longer make the weight.

I wonder how Hop would have done vs Eubank, Benn, Collins, Jackson, Toney et al

Eubank, Benn and Toney would have all beaten Hopkins. He struggled with class middleweights, genuine natural middleweights.

Benn style was fucking made for Hopkins. He would of been embarrassed.

I spose abenns style was also taylor made for McClellan too. If that fight had never happened and McClellan had had to retire right before that fight, this is exactly what would have been said about it. It was almost true but for Benn being a hard stubborn bastard.

It was. If that joke of a ref didn't keep pushing McClellan off Benn, Benn doesn't make it out the first. And that's a fact. Watch the fight. And count how many times the ref was seperating them for no reason. Benn was getting slaughtered. The ref saved him

[DavilaJones]

The only guy I'mk not suspicious about is Donaire. Hopkins could be taking EPO, which increases the amount of oxygen carried by the blood and so massively boosts stamina. All the cyclists take it. It's undetectable one hour after injecting. He could also be taking |HGH which improves recovery time and helps with injuries. Also basically undetectable. There are other things as well. Even if he is taking stuff, and he probably is, he's still an amzing fighter and a freak of nature.

Would high altitute training be comparable to Blood doping or the results won't even come close? As for HGH well I'm not sure. I'll just say this, like you the only boxer I know isn't juicing is Donaire and perhaphs rigo (for the simple fact he was so dominant in olympics for a long time that I highly doubt he'd start juicing now for no reason.)

[DavilaJones]

He is 48 and yes he doesnt fight a dynamic style that looks like he could be on something but did Toney look like he was on them?

A year ago no one would have a bad word said against Lance Armstrong, if you did you were jealous and a hater. He has admitted now to using very suffisticated methods for years. Why would it be out of the realms of possibility for someone like Hopkins?

We have learnt with boxing when something looks too good to be true it generally turns out that way.

There was the time that Pascal asked him to take a test and Hopkins got more riled than I think we have ever seen him but gave no answer. Hopkins Pascal II press conference steroids issue and what they have to say after. - YouTube

Also, one of the best and simplest methods to test for any substances amd is like a diary depending on how long is hair testing and Bernard shaves his head. They use hair testing commonly for new recruits in the police and other job applications but have never cottoned on in boxing. Now could this he because it is too comprehensive and they would prefer the smoke screen of pathetic urine testing?

I cant help but be suspicious of Hopkins. Years ago at middle weight he was losing it against the likes of Taylor but now years later and at a higher weight his work rate has improved?

Hopkins threw and landed more against Cloud than he did in the Taylor rematch over 7 years ago! Even against Dawson he threw more and against Calzaghe he threw more still!

I'm a lil more suspicious about the slim chance, but a chance nonetheless, that Cloud and other opponents could be paid off to let B-Hop win. I'm a huge Hopkins fan and I believe his wins are authentic, but with boxing you never know...

As far as the Taylor example, well Bernard was DRAINED down to 160 at an advanced age so he really had to conserve his energy. And Jermain Taylor was unbeaten then and a very perceived threat. He was perceived as better than he was by the press, fans and Hopkins himself.

That is really really stretching it!

Over the last year alone how many fighters have been caught cheating? Then you have the whole Lance Armstrong thing that no body could ever accept before hand he would ever dream of cheating. Do not be fooled like Armstrong fooled every one. No 48 year old beats a 31 year old world champion in boxing. There have been far better skilled fighters than Hopkins but all have deteriorated with age. Suspicious is what it is and I will not believe he is not cheating u til he proves it and he did have a chance to put rumours to bed when Pascal brought it up but chose to be looked at under suspicion instead of awe.

Archie Moore?

[jon09]

Not at all; I really believe that he lives and breathes boxing and takes care of himself day in and day out. A true legend and professional who is schooling the youngsters.

[hardcore_crash]

So, a 48 year old athlete doesn't not get injuries?
Not just any athlete throwing a ball through a hoop, one who takes punches to the head from m******* ers who are paid to hurt him.
Who's been through decade upon decade in the game, training day in day out taking abuse after abuse.
Bernard Hopkins, 48, doesn't partake in PEDs because his muscles aren't big, or doesn't throw 1000 punches a fight?
Lol, ok.

Bernard, at 48, must have supernatural recouping abilities.

Because PEDs are just for muscles, right?
Not to recover/prevent injuries?

He could have a testosterone ratio of 4:1 under Nevada if he uses TRT, as long as he doesn't test over - NO ONE HAS TO KNOW.
****, he could have a ratio of 2:1 of test and be ok under Nevada regulations.

No, IMO, he's not using steroid for looks.
No, he's not using them to increase his output.

He is IMO, using for injuries( 48 yr old body) and to sustain his longevity in the brutal sport.
I know, Hopkins doesn't drink, smoke, always lived his life right, etc..

This is just my opinion.

[Mrhydro]

So what was archie moore using? What was foreman using? Your only saying he was on something because you thought he was gonna lose and you bet against him and now your trying to sound like less of an ass than you are. Is it that hard to believe that someone can be that motivated and that determined to actually do it at that age. come on and give the man the credit he deserves. Pretty soon anyone who wins a boxing match or an mlb game or an nfl game will have to be on steroids. I woke up at 7 in the am today and walked to the store oh shit i must have taken something to make it all the way back home in the same shape I was in. Come on now lets get serious and stop this accusing bullshit about everyone and everything.

[hardcore_crash]

Hold on, your not talking about me?
Lol, I didn't bet this fight.
But this fight at +130 was all about Hopkins.

I'm giving my opinion of a boxer I followed throughout the years.
Not because I follow this one particular boxer, but because I follow multiple combat sports, multiple fighters in each sport, and after putting everything together - the post above is a conclusion of mine.
Just my opinion.

[Mrhydro]

Hold on, your not talking about me?
Lol, I didn't bet this fight.
But this fight at +130 was all about Hopkins.

I'm giving my opinion of a boxer I followed throughout the years.
Not because I follow this one particular boxer, but because I follow multiple combat sports, multiple fighters in each sport, and after putting everything together - the post above is a conclusion of mine.
Just my opinion.

So at what age does any athlete have to start using to be competitive? And at what age does an athlete have to stop so he doesnt get accused?

[hardcore_crash]

Archie Moore and George Foreman?

Foreman took a decade off of fighting between ages 28-38.
Didn't necessarily live in the gym, as Hopkins does, post retirement.
IMO, he relied on his power and natural abilities.

Moore? Simple, they don't make them like that anymore

[ross]

So what was archie moore using? What was foreman using? Your only saying he was on something because you thought he was gonna lose and you bet against him and now your trying to sound like less of an ass than you are. Is it that hard to believe that someone can be that motivated and that determined to actually do it at that age. come on and give the man the credit he deserves. Pretty soon anyone who wins a boxing match or an mlb game or an nfl game will have to be on steroids. I woke up at 7 in the am today and walked to the store oh shit i must have taken something to make it all the way back home in the same shape I was in. Come on now lets get serious and stop this accusing bullshit about everyone and everything.

If your talking about me... What the fuck are you on about?

I had no opinion on this fight beforehand, check out my posts. I didn't bet on it, I'm not a fan of either boring fighter.

Im saying I don't believe its possible for a 48 year old man to have a higher punch output now than he did 8 years ago. Explain why he wasn't punching that much 8 years ago against a lesser fighter than Calzaghe, Pascal, Dawson and Cloud?

He had a chance to take Pascal up on his offer to take tests a couple of years ago and rather than laughing it off and taking it as a compliment and actually proving how good he is by taking tests he spat the dummy out.

Hopkins is the kind of man that if he can prove something, he will. Has he not drummed that in to us and the media over the years with his little boring speaches?

I dont believe everyone is on steroids but we have been shown that when something looks too good to be true it is. Jones Jr, Mosley, Holyfield etc and not boxing but Lance Armstrong.

[hardcore_crash]

Hold on, your not talking about me?
Lol, I didn't bet this fight.
But this fight at +130 was all about Hopkins.

I'm giving my opinion of a boxer I followed throughout the years.
Not because I follow this one particular boxer, but because I follow multiple combat sports, multiple fighters in each sport, and after putting everything together - the post above is a conclusion of mine.
Just my opinion.

So at what age does any athlete have to start using to be competitive? And at what age does an athlete have to stop so he doesnt get accused?

I don't think an athlete needs to start in order to be competitive, but it is getting increasingly harder not too.

Stop what? Usage? Fighting?

If there were more examples of athletes being competitive especially boxers, then we could make much better comparisons.

[Mrhydro]

So what was archie moore using? What was foreman using? Your only saying he was on something because you thought he was gonna lose and you bet against him and now your trying to sound like less of an ass than you are. Is it that hard to believe that someone can be that motivated and that determined to actually do it at that age. come on and give the man the credit he deserves. Pretty soon anyone who wins a boxing match or an mlb game or an nfl game will have to be on steroids. I woke up at 7 in the am today and walked to the store oh shit i must have taken something to make it all the way back home in the same shape I was in. Come on now lets get serious and stop this accusing bullshit about everyone and everything.

If your talking about me... What the fuck are you on about?

I had no opinion on this fight beforehand, check out my posts. I didn't bet on it, I'm not a fan of either boring fighter.

Im saying I don't believe its possible for a 48 year old man to have a higher punch output now than he did 8 years ago. Explain why he wasn't punching that much 8 years ago against a lesser fighter than Calzaghe, Pascal, Dawson and Cloud?

He had a chance to take Pascal up on his offer to take tests a couple of years ago and rather than laughing it off and taking it as a compliment and actually proving how good he is by taking tests he spat the dummy out.

Hopkins is the kind of man that if he can prove something, he will. Has he not drummed that in to us and the media over the years with his little boring speaches?

I dont believe everyone is on steroids but we have been shown that when something looks too good to be true it is. Jones Jr, Mosley, Holyfield etc and not boxing but Lance Armstrong.

Cloud was tailor made for hopkins and it showed. Cloud couldnt fight like he fought against johnson or anyone else because hopkins was too smart for him. And 8 years ago he was weight drained against taylor who was supposed to be an animal but we know how that turned out. Tarver was a fraud who was more talk than anything. winky was above weight. Calzahge was too slap happy. But then Pavlick was easy for Hopklins so he must have been using. Right? Orneals was just not worthy so he must have been using. Pascal dropped him twice in the first fight so something was wrong. The second Pascal fight he won so he must have upped his dosage. Dawson was a pussy in the first fight and in the second fight he came in too soon. So he must be doing something right?

[hardcore_crash]

One more thing, people are STILL not suspicious about athletes doping?
After the athlete who was tested more times, by the best standards, MULTIPLE TIMES MORE THAN ANY ATHLETE, positive tests never came to light?

People were still suspicious about him for years.

But let's not be suspicious about Hopkins, denied better testing, and Pacquiao (phobia of needles)?

[Mrhydro]

One more thing, people are STILL not suspicious about athletes doping?
After the athlete who was tested more times, by the best standards, MULTIPLE TIMES MORE THAN ANY ATHLETE, positive tests never came to light?

People were still suspicious about him for years.

But let's not be suspicious about Hopkins, denied better testing, and Pacquiao (phobia of needles)?

Hopkins looks like he is 48 and his body says it. Toney was never in shape in his latter years and was a jelly ball for the last 12 years of his career. Hopkins has slowed considerably but has gotten smarter and obviously has less punching power than he had. Maybe they dont make them like they used to or is that too good to be true.